Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight Part 2

[Immanuel Can]

God is an idea, it's an abstract anecdotal character formed within an illusory mind.

Yeah, you said that.

It's still wrong, but you have every right to insist.

Next?

[Immanuel Can]

"God is an idea," isn't an argument; so why would my response to DAM's claim be?

God is an idea is a FACT.

There are no "facts," according to you, even ones IN ALL CAPS.

I concede, you don't owe me any response.

I'm giving you a response. I'm asking you why you do the things you do. Why do you cause "pain and suffering," even just in your "dream"?

[Dontaskme]

The above is not an argument. Denying something by hand waving it away with the words "I deny" does not win an argument. Worse, you cut out most of what others argue [so in that you are refusing to listen] and simply take a small part of their argument and make empty comment about that. As a tactic, it does not bode well for Christianity in general. It make Christians look desperate ...

He doesn't read my posts either, or he'll just skim through them with boredom.
He is with God, he'll be fine, he has no argument with anyone but himself, when he feels the impulsive desire to defend his belief from being overshadowed by nothing but his own mind tricking him.

To him suffering is worth the entrance fee into this hell hole that is sentient life on earth. All I say to him, is that he's welcome to it.

I just happen to be of the opinion it's a bad game. Lucky the human primate developed great compassion and empathy and an intelligence to know it's a bad game. No sentient creature should ever have to suffer pain or torture, which has been going on for millions and millions of years. And all the religious kooks look for solace in their Bibles. Simply because they just cannot accept the truth of life, and that this hell hole is their lot. And that we as sentient creatures are all just bugs with big brains on a big bug infested planet, the chemisty and physics and biology of knowledge speaks volumes, we are just simple bacteria with brains.

It's a fact, evolution does cannot lie, it's all right there as evidenced, as plain as the nose on our face. Some sensitive souls cannot see the nose on the front of their face, they live with blinders on, inventing purpose and meaning where there is none, they live in hope and longing desperately trying to cover the gaping gaps of knowledge. For them, there is always something more to know, to find. In reality, there is nothing, nothing at all, nothing to do, nowhere to go. Just this pointless birth and death cycle, over and over and over again. An endless treadwheel of consumption, reproduction, canibilism and addiction.

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[Dontaskme]

"God is an idea," isn't an argument; so why would my response to DAM's claim be?

God is an idea is a FACT.

There are no "facts," according to you, even ones IN ALL CAPS.

I concede, you don't owe me any response.

I'm giving you a response. I'm asking you why you do the things you do. Why do you cause "pain and suffering," even just in your "dream"?

The answers you seek are all to be found within esoteric nondual literature. You know, that idea I have been discussing with you, that idea about nothing is everything, and everything is nothing idea, the one you do not believe.

I've talked about it many times, but it seems you have a problem comprehending what has been presented to you. There is nothing I can do about that.

[Immanuel Can]

The answers you seek are all to be found within esoteric nondual literature.

What's your answer? Why did you start causing "pain and suffering"?

[Dontaskme]

The answers you seek are all to be found within esoteric nondual literature.

What's your answer? Why did you start causing "pain and suffering"?

Nonduality, the one question to all our answers.

The answer is extinction, until then, it's business as usual. The misery self will continue as long as there is a desire for the pleasure.

Listen, if you want to keep putting a quarter in the slot to play the game, then you're welcome to it.

I'm done playing dumb games.

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[Immanuel Can]

The answers you seek are all to be found within esoteric nondual literature.

What's your answer? Why did you start causing "pain and suffering"?

Nonduality, the one question to all our answers.

So "Nonduality" is at fault. That makes sense. If it's all there is, then it's responsible for evil, for suffering, and for pain. And since there's only one "dreamer," which is yourself, then you are the one responsible for Nonduality, which means you are again the source of evil, suffering and pain.

Well, that seems a poor consolation. You say "It's God's fault," but then that "God" is only an idea in your own "dream." So again, why blame God? You say you made Him up.

Either way, you have to blame yourself, it seems. So how long is it going to be until you face up to what you have done? Or are you now beginning to suspect...as I do...that the whole thing is just wrong.

I don't think you're the source of all evil. But I can see that you would have to think that.

[Dontaskme]

What's your answer? Why did you start causing "pain and suffering"?

Nonduality, the one question to all our answers.

So "Nonduality" is at fault. That makes sense. If it's all there is, then it's responsible for evil, for suffering, and for pain. And since there's only one "dreamer," which is yourself, then you are the one responsible for Nonduality, which means you are again the source of evil, suffering and pain.

Well, that seems a poor consolation. You say "It's God's fault," but then that "God" is only an idea in your own "dream." So again, why blame God? You say you made Him up.

Either way, you have to blame yourself, it seems. So how long is it going to be until you face up to what you have done? Or are you now beginning to suspect...as I do...that the whole thing is just wrong.

I don't think you're the source of all evil. But I can see that you would have to think that.

Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about. You're responses are becoming more and more incoherent to me.

I've simply stated facts, that as an intelligent sentient creature, who can know sensation is bad or good through self experiential direct knowledge, then that intelligence will either continue to ignore the bad, or do something about the bad, ie: via opting for voluntary extinction.
This is all within the dream of separation where the dreamer is aware it is dreaming, the dream is real apparently, lets not forget this. Just as a nightly dream is real within the dreamer, where upon awakening from it's dream, it's dream is known to have occured within itself. The dreamer is always aware of it's own dream as apparently real event, albeit an illusion. But then you'd know all that if you understood the nondual message.

Do not wait for imaginary saviours, that never show up, only you can save you. That is your mission should you choose to accept it, or not.





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[Walker]

Why would anyone want to reincarnate into a life of sin?

This is what I am trying to understand.

Why do you sin?

[Immanuel Can]

This is all within the dream of separation where the dreamer is aware it is dreaming, the dream is real apparently, lets not forget this.

I'm not forgetting it at all. You're the "dreamer." You're responsible for all evil. It's your dream, and you're aware you are dreaming. But evil is happening in that "reality," which means you're the cause.

[Dontaskme]

I'm not forgetting it at all. You're the "dreamer." You're responsible for all evil. It's your dream, and you're aware you are dreaming. But evil is happening in that "reality," which means you're the cause.

Yes, that's right, within the dream of duality of cause and effect space and time. I am the cause of my effect.

Therefore, only I am responsible for my good or bad actions. For what I do to others, I also do to myself, because I have first hand witness account of the knowledge of good and bad.

[VVilliam]

The above is not an argument. Denying something by hand waving it away with the words "I deny" does not win an argument. Worse, you cut out most of what others argue [so in that you are refusing to listen] and simply take a small part of their argument and make empty comment about that. As a tactic, it does not bode well for Christianity in general. It make Christians look desperate ...

He doesn't read my posts either, or he'll just skim through them with boredom.
He is with God, he'll be fine, he has no argument with anyone but himself, when he feels the impulsive desire to defend his belief from being overshadowed by nothing but his own mind tricking him.

To him suffering is worth the entrance fee into this hell hole that is sentient life on earth. All I say to him, is that he's welcome to it.

I just happen to be of the opinion it's a bad game. Lucky the human primate developed great compassion and empathy and an intelligence to know it's a bad game. No sentient creature should ever have to suffer pain or torture, which has been going on for millions and millions of years. And all the religious kooks look for solace in their Bibles. Simply because they just cannot accept the truth of life, and that this hell hole is their lot. And that we as sentient creatures are all just bugs with big brains on a big bug infested planet, the chemisty and physics and biology of knowledge speaks volumes, we are just simple bacteria with brains.

It's a fact, evolution does cannot lie, it's all right there as evidenced, as plain as the nose on our face. Some sensitive souls cannot see the nose on the front of their face, they live with blinders on, inventing purpose and meaning where there is none, they live in hope and longing desperately trying to cover the gaping gaps of knowledge. For them, there is always something more to know, to find. In reality, there is nothing, nothing at all, nothing to do, nowhere to go. Just this pointless birth and death cycle, over and over and over again. An endless treadwheel of consumption, reproduction, canibilism and addiction.

I agree more with him than with you in relation to how you view this existence as to how he views this existence.

Where you and I agree is that I am happy to think that the theory of evolution is correct. Where we part company is that I do not see the world as you do. Therefore when I superimpose the idea of a 'creator mind' onto that, I do not have feedback from that action, that the creator is a monster. This is because, unlike you, I do not see the creation as a monster.

In saying that, I do appreciate creation is very scary...even insanely so...but in that, I tend to get the giggles which spoils the whole effect...

[VVilliam]

So you say. And so I deny.

Next?

The above is not an argument.

It was not intended to be. It was merely a response on the same level of what was offered me.

"God is [just]an idea," isn't an argument; so why would my response to DAM's claim be?

God is an idea. It is specifically the name of the Christian god.

It is not specific to any of the many gods humans ideas have come up with.

Even if for you personally God is more than "just an idea" this does not rebut the argument God is just an idea unless you can show that God is more than "just an idea"

[Immanuel Can]

I'm not forgetting it at all. You're the "dreamer." You're responsible for all evil. It's your dream, and you're aware you are dreaming. But evil is happening in that "reality," which means you're the cause.

Yes, that's right, within the dream of duality of cause and effect space and time. I am the cause of my effect.

Therefore, only I am responsible for my good or bad actions. For what I do to others, I also do to myself, because I have first hand witness account of the knowledge of good and bad.

There are no others. There is only you. You are the dreamer. This is the dream, and you see that there is evil in it. You are the evil, then.

[Immanuel Can]

The above is not an argument.

It was not intended to be. It was merely a response on the same level of what was offered me.

"God is [just]an idea," isn't an argument; so why would my response to DAM's claim be?

God is an idea.

So you say, and so I deny.

It doesn't become an "argument" when you say it, anymore than it was when she did. It's just a gratuitous wish, on your part. And you're going to find out it's wrong.

But maybe not today.