"In the beginning God created ...."

[Skepdick]

The thread isn't asking anything about the creator. That is a different topic. Related, I agree. In that a creation and a simulated reality require a creator.
That is why the thread question. "What's the difference"?

The difference is in the connotation.

So you are saying that Christians oppose the idea of being in a simulated reality because the image of The Creator changes from [a glorious enthroned human] to something more ET-like?
Or for that matter [more likely in my opinion] the machinery itself.

Is that how Christians would have to imagine The Creator(s) or imagery [gift wrapping] you pulled out of your own psyche?

Well, run the thought experiment yourself.

Take your current stereotype of God.
Take your current stereotype of a Programmer.

What's would you say are the similarities/differences in connotation?

For my part, thinking on what we do know about our reality [universe] we are dealing with a creator whom just has to be far greater than a few hippies in a garage sipping coke while making ways in which they can use their know-how to their advantage...

Examining the universe [the tiny bits we know about it] I am positive that even if the being is an AI super-duper computer, IT will always prove to be the older/wiser/more mature being in charge of this gig...even if it largely left most of the donkey work to ITs standard algorithms...does IT notice us? All I know for sure is that IT notices me.

Q.E.D Your Wide Old Man and Hipster Programmer stereotype are clashing.

[Walker]

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Don't feed the troll.

Without attention, it starves.

[Skepdick]

Don't feed the troll.

Without attention, it starves.

For a troll, you seem to have learned to survive on self-indulgence alone...

[Walker]

Don't feed the troll.

Without attention, it starves.

For a troll, you seem to have learned to survive on self-indulgence alone...

That's because you project only what you know onto others.

Me manna be truth, Mon, not dat silly song of the trolls, sung by the formating-challenged handicapable.

[VVilliam]

...which is the objective reality? Creation or Simulation?

Creation, obviously. The point of the word "simulation" is that it indicates the semblance of something, not the reality of it.

The point of reality simulation is that it is experienced as real. If this universe was created it is a reality simulation.

[Dontaskme]

"Irrelevant argument"

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[bahman]

"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."

Often Christians argue that we do not exist within a Simulated Reality while maintaining that we exist within a Creation.

What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?

The act of creation is impossible since it leads to regress in the creation of time. That is true because time needed for the act of creation of anything including time.

These two are ABSOLUTELY NOT necessarily true AT ALL.

They are true. We have been through them.

[Age]

The act of creation is impossible since it leads to regress in the creation of time. That is true because time needed for the act of creation of anything including time.

These two are ABSOLUTELY NOT necessarily true AT ALL.

They are true. We have been through them.

LOL

[Age]

...which is the objective reality? Creation or Simulation?

Creation, obviously. The point of the word "simulation" is that it indicates the semblance of something, not the reality of it.

The point of reality simulation is that it is experienced as real. If this universe was created it is a reality simulation.

But OBVIOUSLY the Universe could NOT be 'created'.

The Universe is (in) Creation. I have ALREADY POINTED OUT and SHOWN what ACTUALLY is thee Truth of 'things'.

[Immanuel Can]

The point of reality simulation is that it is experienced as real.

But a "simulation" means that is a delusion. And one can't call something a "simulation" unless one also KNOWS it is unreal: otherwise, one is just going to mistake it for reality, and be none the wiser.

So a "simulation" is not a reality. It's an unreality, and a known one.

[VVilliam]

The point of reality simulation is that it is experienced as real.

But a "simulation" means that is a delusion.

If the simulation being experienced was designed to experience delusional as a reality, then in that case - yes.
Simulations of themselves are simply devices which can produce experience for any who use them.

If those who use them are delusional, then whatever they experience will be experienced through that deluded filter, whether the particular simulation was designed to experience delusion or not.

And one can't call something a "simulation" unless one also KNOWS it is unreal:

All simulation can be seen to be unreal, but what can be shown to be real?

If this universe was a simulation created to appear to be real to those experiencing it [a reality simulation] then that means
one can see it as - possibly - a simulated reality.
In that, one could look for evidence which supports the suspicion.
In relation to the OP Premise;

"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."

Those who do not think we exist within a creation can argue for that being the case...but the focus and intent of the thread [for me] is on the premise.

The OPQ is;

"What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?"

Some have it in their minds that they can believe we do not exist within a simulation but still want to confuse things by referring to reality [the physical universe] as a "Creation" even that they do not believe in the existence of creator(s) [God]

[VVilliam]

The thread isn't asking anything about the creator. That is a different topic. Related, I agree. In that a creation and a simulated reality require a creator.
That is why the thread question. "What's the difference"?

The difference is in the connotation.

So you are saying that Christians oppose the idea of being in a simulated reality because the image of The Creator changes from [a glorious enthroned human] to something more ET-like?
Or for that matter [more likely in my opinion] the machinery itself.

Is that how Christians would have to imagine The Creator(s) or imagery [gift wrapping] you pulled out of your own psyche?

Well, run the thought experiment yourself.

Take your current stereotype of God.

I personally do not have any image of God

Take your current stereotype of a Programmer.

Again, I have no image of a Programmer...I was using the images you provided and playing with those, but they are not my 'current stereotypes'

What's would you say are the similarities/differences in connotation?

I wouldn't because I have no current images of stereotypes.

For my part, thinking on what we do know about our reality [universe] we are dealing with a creator whom just has to be far greater than a few hippies in a garage sipping coke while making ways in which they can use their know-how to their advantage...

Examining the universe [the tiny bits we know about it] I am positive that even if the being is an AI super-duper computer, IT will always prove to be the older/wiser/more mature being in charge of this gig...even if it largely left most of the donkey work to ITs standard algorithms...does IT notice us? All I know for sure is that IT notices me.

Q.E.D Your Wide Old Man and Hipster Programmer stereotype are clashing.

Au contraire - you are projecting a false image of who I am onto your mind-screen [internal imaging] and arguing with the words you put into the mouth of said false image...

What I said wrote was to let folk know the way I currently lean, but make no mistake - I am an agnostic when it comes to the idea of existing within a simulated reality/creation...I am undecided but due to the nature of my particular subjective experience of the physical universe, is why I lean in that direction.

[Skepdick]

I personally do not have any image of God

So how are you using the word?

Again, I have no image of a Programmer...I was using the images you provided and playing with those, but they are not my 'current stereotypes'

So how are you using those terms?

I wouldn't because I have no current images of stereotypes.

So those words mean nothing to you? You don't have vivid descriptions, associations or particular examples of what a God; or a Programmer might be like?

For my part, thinking on what we do know about our reality [universe] we are dealing with a creator whom just has to be far greater than a few hippies in a garage sipping coke while making ways in which they can use their know-how to their advantage...

See! You do have stereotypes!

In my view a creator simply needs to be greater than me. If I can do what the Creator can do then the creator isn't great.

Au contraire - you are projecting a false image of who I am onto your mind-screen [internal imaging] and arguing with the words you put into the mouth of said false image...

Then what do you have in mind when you are using superlatives for "greatness"? For you think the creator needs to be "greater" than hipsters drinking coke.

What I said wrote was to let folk know the way I currently lean, but make no mistake - I am an agnostic when it comes to the idea of existing within a simulated reality/creation...I am undecided but due to the nature of my particular subjective experience of the physical universe, is why I lean in that direction.

For an "agnostic" you do have a lot to say...

[Terrapin Station]

"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."

Often Christians argue that we do not exist within a Simulated Reality while maintaining that we exist within a Creation.

What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?

A simulation means that it's something like a computer model of the world as opposed to the world "at large," where the computer model would only be a small part of it.

[VVilliam]

"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."

Often Christians argue that we do not exist within a Simulated Reality while maintaining that we exist within a Creation.

What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?

A simulation means that it's something like a computer model of the world as opposed to the world "at large," where the computer model would only be a small part of it.

Yes. I agree.