the ethics of abortion

[Walker]

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue.

Let say,
-abortion is permissible to ALL humans universally without conditions at all.
- it is also a possibility that for some rare conditions on Earth that all humans are driven impulsively to have abortion to their unborn.
- then the human species will be extinct in time.

But if say, if we adopt the justified true moral fact, i.e.
-abortion is not permissible to any human at all as a moral standard,
- then even if some rare conditions drive humans to abort impulsively, the moral standard is a stop gap measure that enable humans to think rationally to decide to abort or not.

What is more important with the moral standard of "no humans ought to abort an unborn"
is that the standard provide the avenue and catalyst for humanity to dig into the root causes of prevalent abortion, which is due to the lack of impulse control of the sexual lusts for sexual pleasure.

Thus if humanity is able to modulate the impulse control of the sexual lusts for sexual pleasure effectively [if there is a will, there is way] then there will be less abortions due to uncontrollable sexual lusts.

As with human nature, there will be valid medical and others reasons for abortion.
In this case any variance with valid reasons should be acceptable but the variances will prompt humanity to analyze the root causes to ensure preventions in the future.

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue which at least will drive humanity to take corrective actions to mitigate uncontrollable primal and barbaric sexual impulses.

That is a sane and rational posting.
Gracias.

I’d like to comment on that last paragraph.

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue which at least will drive humanity to take corrective actions to mitigate uncontrollable primal and barbaric sexual impulses.

- Attentiveness to birth control methods is the height of the bar being set, and that’s a low bar of responsibility.
- For young adults to abstain in a permissive society, when the body and hormones have aged to their peak of randiness, is a very high bar.
- Olympic height within a permissive culture that is blasting sex from every portal of the machine.
- The birth control pill liberated women to enjoy barbaric sexual impulses.
- My judgment of that? It enables a woman to discover herself should she feel that need (a need caused by many elements), which results in at least some understanding of what everyone is talking about.

- Responsibility for birth control is a low bar.
- Women who want, who need abortions, have fumbled their responsibility.
- Why?
- Because they were raised irresponsibly.
- What does this mean?

- It means all the ins and outs of birth control, the reasons why, the paramount importance of why, the implications, all this must be drilled into children, but particularly females because it is their body. It's like learning the ABC's at an early age in the way important things are drilled into children, with intelligence and emotion, with many situational examples to highlight the reasons why this is the way things are.

- The state can’t do that. Not in primal matters. When school is out the little ruggers feel the freedom of being able to not follow all those rules in school, sex education being one of the rules.

- No, it takes the love and trust of a family to teach proper handling of the primal, and to make the teachings stick like instinct.

- In this age of medical science, for women in developed countries, inexcusable irresponsibility is the cause of abortion, ignorance is the cause of inexcusable irresponsibility, and the parents are the cause of the ignorance.

- The family and not the state needs to teach what the girl will remember about birth control, and the family must teach with real love, because the schools have already taught the cold, clinical aspects of sex. The schools have even taught how to drastically change the body cosmetically and chemically at an early, developing age. The schools and society even celebrate that (if you believe the media.)

- If female bodies that have the right to kill humans value life, they should be more responsible about conceiving humans.

- Same goes for the boy. He needs to be taught what is sacred and what is not, and he needs to hear that voice of conscience.

- As you say, that should be the baseline, no matter what propaganda the machine is spewing.

[Walker]

Let's elevate the conversation from Both ends.

Maybe you should spend a moment to learn how to use the quote function

It sucks. That's why i turned it off. That's why there's an option to turn it off.

It makes reading what you write more difficult, like static on the radio.

Objectively, it is a negative rather than positive assertion of identity, positive being defined as making writing a transparent medium between transmission and reception of concepts.

I figure the static is in your transmission settings, because no one else has that particular negative assertion of identity.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue.

Let say,
-abortion is permissible to ALL humans universally without conditions at all.
- it is also a possibility that for some rare conditions on Earth that all humans are driven impulsively to have abortion to their unborn.
- then the human species will be extinct in time.

But if say, if we adopt the justified true moral fact, i.e.
-abortion is not permissible to any human at all as a moral standard,
- then even if some rare conditions drive humans to abort impulsively, the moral standard is a stop gap measure that enable humans to think rationally to decide to abort or not.

What is more important with the moral standard of "no humans ought to abort an unborn"
is that the standard provide the avenue and catalyst for humanity to dig into the root causes of prevalent abortion, which is due to the lack of impulse control of the sexual lusts for sexual pleasure.

Thus if humanity is able to modulate the impulse control of the sexual lusts for sexual pleasure effectively [if there is a will, there is way] then there will be less abortions due to uncontrollable sexual lusts.

As with human nature, there will be valid medical and others reasons for abortion.
In this case any variance with valid reasons should be acceptable but the variances will prompt humanity to analyze the root causes to ensure preventions in the future.

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue which at least will drive humanity to take corrective actions to mitigate uncontrollable primal and barbaric sexual impulses.

That is a sane and rational posting.
Gracias.

I’d like to comment on that last paragraph.

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue which at least will drive humanity to take corrective actions to mitigate uncontrollable primal and barbaric sexual impulses.

- Attentiveness to birth control methods is the height of the bar being set, and that’s a low bar of responsibility.
- For young adults to abstain in a permissive society, when the body and hormones have aged to their peak of randiness, is a very high bar.
- Olympic height within a permissive culture that is blasting sex from every portal of the machine.
- The birth control pill liberated women to enjoy barbaric sexual impulses.
- My judgment of that? It enables a woman to discover herself should she feel that need (a need caused by many elements), which results in at least some understanding of what everyone is talking about.

- Responsibility for birth control is a low bar.
- Women who want, who need abortions, have fumbled their responsibility.
- Why?
- Because they were raised irresponsibly.
- What does this mean?

- It means all the ins and outs of birth control, the reasons why, the paramount importance of why, the implications, all this must be drilled into children, but particularly females because it is their body. It's like learning the ABC's at an early age in the way important things are drilled into children, with intelligence and emotion, with many situational examples to highlight the reasons why this is the way things are.

- The state can’t do that. Not in primal matters. When school is out the little ruggers feel the freedom of being able to not follow all those rules in school, sex education being one of the rules.

- No, it takes the love and trust of a family to teach proper handling of the primal, and to make the teachings stick like instinct.

- In this age of medical science, for women in developed countries, inexcusable irresponsibility is the cause of abortion, ignorance is the cause of inexcusable irresponsibility, and the parents are the cause of the ignorance.

- The family and not the state needs to teach what the girl will remember about birth control, and the family must teach with real love, because the schools have already taught the cold, clinical aspects of sex. The schools have even taught how to drastically change the body cosmetically and chemically at an early, developing age. The schools and society even celebrate that (if you believe the media.)

- If female bodies that have the right to kill humans value life, they should be more responsible about conceiving humans.

- Same goes for the boy. He needs to be taught what is sacred and what is not, and he needs to hear that voice of conscience.

- As you say, that should be the baseline, no matter what propaganda the machine is spewing.

The sexual drive is one of the greatest human psychological drive and at present it is very natural humans are merely endowed with very weak inhibitors to control their lust when once it get going. This is also a 'program' necessity, else if people are indifferent and inhibited from sex, it is also a threat to the preservation of the human species.

However the ways in the present circumstances humans are evolving, there is a need to control unplanned births and to avoid abortions which has its loads of negatives.

Unfortunately at present, humanity do not have the effective capacity to modulate the sexual lusts of the majority of people such that there are no unplanned births.
As such the majority are relying on birth control methods and threat of hell from the dicta of religions.

However I am optimistic in the future, given the current trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology, humanity will be able to enable strategies that will promote only planned births and no unplanned birth.

I am banking on the advances of the neurosciences, and others, e.g. the Human Genome Project, the Human Connectome Project, the Human Affectome Project, etc. which will assist in reducing unplanned birth without compromising the well being of humanity.

[Advocate]

[quote="Veritas Aequitas" post_id=492660 time=1611643033 user_id=7896]
[quote=Walker post_id=492630 time=1611624278 user_id=11599]
[quote="Veritas Aequitas" post_id=492485 time=1611561054 user_id=7896]
Abortion is a moral and ethical issue.

Let say,
-abortion is permissible to ALL humans universally without conditions at all.
- it is also a possibility that for some rare conditions on Earth that all humans are driven [b]impulsively[/b] to have abortion to their unborn.
- then the human species will be extinct in time.

But if say, if we adopt the justified true moral fact, i.e.
-abortion is not permissible to any human at all as a moral standard,
- then even if some rare conditions drive humans to abort [b]impulsively[/b], the moral standard is a stop gap measure that enable humans to think rationally to decide to abort or not.

What is more important with the moral standard of "no humans ought to abort an unborn"
is that the standard provide the avenue and [b]catalyst[/b] for humanity to dig into the root causes of prevalent abortion, which is due to the lack of impulse control of the sexual lusts for sexual pleasure.

Thus if humanity is able to modulate the impulse control of the sexual lusts for sexual pleasure effectively [if there is a will, there is way] then there will be less abortions due to uncontrollable sexual lusts.

As with human nature, there will be valid medical and others reasons for abortion.
In this case any variance with valid reasons should be acceptable but the variances will prompt humanity to analyze the root causes to ensure preventions in the future.

Abortion is a moral and ethical issue which at least will drive humanity to take corrective actions to mitigate uncontrollable primal and barbaric sexual impulses.
[/quote]
That is a sane and rational posting.
Gracias.

I’d like to comment on that last paragraph.
[quote]Abortion is a moral and ethical issue which at least will drive humanity to take corrective actions to mitigate uncontrollable primal and barbaric sexual impulses.[/quote]
- Attentiveness to birth control methods is the height of the bar being set, and that’s a low bar of responsibility.
- For young adults to abstain in a permissive society, when the body and hormones have aged to their peak of randiness, is a very high bar.
- Olympic height within a permissive culture that is blasting sex from every portal of the machine.
- The birth control pill liberated women to enjoy barbaric sexual impulses.
- My judgment of that? It enables a woman to discover herself should she feel that need (a need caused by many elements), which results in at least some understanding of what everyone is talking about.

- Responsibility for birth control is a low bar.
- Women who want, who [i]need[/i] abortions, have fumbled their responsibility.
- Why?
- Because they were raised irresponsibly.
- What does this mean?

- It means all the ins and outs of birth control, the reasons why, the paramount importance of why, the implications, all this must be drilled into children, but particularly females because it is their body. It's like learning the ABC's at an early age in the way important things are drilled into children, with intelligence and emotion, with many situational examples to highlight the reasons why this is the way things are.

- The state can’t do that. Not in primal matters. When school is out the little ruggers feel the freedom of being able to not follow all those rules in school, sex education being one of the rules.

- No, it takes the love and trust of a family to teach proper handling of the primal, and to make the teachings stick like instinct.

- In this age of medical science, for women in developed countries, inexcusable irresponsibility is the cause of abortion, ignorance is the cause of inexcusable irresponsibility, and the parents are the cause of the ignorance.

- The family and not the state needs to teach what the girl will remember about birth control, and the family must teach with real love, because the schools have already taught the cold, clinical aspects of sex. The schools have even taught how to drastically change the body cosmetically and chemically at an early, developing age. The schools and society even celebrate that (if you believe the media.)

- If female bodies that have the right to kill humans value life, they should be more responsible about conceiving humans.

- Same goes for the boy. He needs to be taught what is [i]sacred[/i] and what is not, and he needs to hear that voice of conscience.

- As you say, that should be the baseline, no matter what propaganda the machine is spewing.
[/quote]
The sexual drive is one of the greatest human psychological drive and at present it is very natural humans are merely endowed with very weak inhibitors to control their lust when once it get going. This is also a 'program' necessity, else if people are indifferent and inhibited from sex, it is also a threat to the preservation of the human species.

However the ways in the present circumstances humans are evolving, there is a need to control unplanned births and to avoid abortions which has its loads of negatives.

Unfortunately at present, humanity do not have the [b]effective capacity[/b] to modulate the sexual lusts of the majority of people such that there are no unplanned births.
As such the majority are relying on birth control methods and threat of hell from the dicta of religions.

However I am optimistic in the future, given the current trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology, humanity will be able to enable strategies that will promote only planned births and no unplanned birth.

I am banking on the advances of the neurosciences, and others, e.g. the Human Genome Project, the Human Connectome Project, the Human Affectome Project, etc. which will assist in reducing unplanned birth [b]without compromising the well being of humanity[/b].
[/quote]

You were in high school debate class, weren't you?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Let's elevate the conversation from Both ends.

Maybe you should spend a moment to learn how to use the quote function

It sucks. That's why i turned it off. That's why there's an option to turn it off.

And the mess that you make doesn't 'suck'?

[Advocate]

[quote=vegetariantaxidermy post_id=492813 time=1611713685 user_id=8006]
[quote=Advocate post_id=492628 time=1611620608 user_id=15238]
[quote=Sculptor post_id=492618 time=1611614669 user_id=17400]


Maybe you should spend a moment to learn how to use the quote function
[/quote]

It sucks. That's why i turned it off. That's why there's an option to turn it off.
[/quote]

And the mess that you make doesn't 'suck'?
[/quote]

I made my choice, now you've got to live with it. If anyone doesn't like it, there's also a "foe" option that will keep you from seeing it. The end.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

It sucks. That's why i turned it off. That's why there's an option to turn it off.

And the mess that you make doesn't 'suck'?

I made my choice, now you've got to live with it. If anyone doesn't like it, there's also a "foe" option that will keep you from seeing it. The end.

So arrogant.

[Advocate]

[quote=vegetariantaxidermy post_id=492833 time=1611719438 user_id=8006]
[quote=Advocate post_id=492826 time=1611715844 user_id=15238]
[quote=vegetariantaxidermy post_id=492813 time=1611713685 user_id=8006]


And the mess that you make doesn't 'suck'?
[/quote]

I made my choice, now you've got to live with it. If anyone doesn't like it, there's also a "foe" option that will keep you from seeing it. The end.
[/quote]

So arrogant.
[/quote]

You believe i should coddle to your desires over my own and call me arrogant. Nice.

No thank you. I believe in radical freedom. I will do as i please and anyone who doesn't like it can either fuck off, change the incentives, or change their mind and join me.

[bahman]

I made my choice, now you've got to live with it. If anyone doesn't like it, there's also a "foe" option that will keep you from seeing it. The end.

So arrogant.

You believe i should coddle to your desires over my own and call me arrogant. Nice.

No thank you. I believe in radical freedom. I will do as i please and anyone who doesn't like it can either fuck off, change the incentives, or change their mind and join me.

Hey dude, why don't you fix your quoting?

[Advocate]

[quote=bahman post_id=492835 time=1611719972 user_id=12593]
[quote=Advocate post_id=492834 time=1611719699 user_id=15238]
[quote=vegetariantaxidermy post_id=492833 time=1611719438 user_id=8006]


So arrogant.
[/quote]

You believe i should coddle to your desires over my own and call me arrogant. Nice.

No thank you. I believe in radical freedom. I will do as i please and anyone who doesn't like it can either fuck off, change the incentives, or change their mind and join me.
[/quote]
Hey dude, why don't you fix your quoting?
[/quote]

I have. Don't y'all know it's the status quo that's broken?

[Veritas Aequitas]

I made my choice, now you've got to live with it. If anyone doesn't like it, there's also a "foe" option that will keep you from seeing it. The end.

So arrogant.

You believe i should coddle to your desires over my own and call me arrogant. Nice.

No thank you. I believe in radical freedom. I will do as i please and anyone who doesn't like it can either fuck off, change the incentives, or change their mind and join me.

Was not aware of that, and I will tick the 'foe' option.

[bahman]

Double post.

[bahman]

You believe i should coddle to your desires over my own and call me arrogant. Nice.

No thank you. I believe in radical freedom. I will do as i please and anyone who doesn't like it can either fuck off, change the incentives, or change their mind and join me.

Hey dude, why don't you fix your quoting?

I have. Don't y'all know it's the status quo that's broken?

Just enable BBCode.

[Advocate]

[quote=bahman post_id=492847 time=1611722031 user_id=12593]
[quote=Advocate post_id=492844 time=1611721864 user_id=15238]
[quote=bahman post_id=492835 time=1611719972 user_id=12593]

Hey dude, why don't you fix your quoting?
[/quote]

I have. Don't y'all know it's the status quo that's broken?
[/quote]
Just enable BBCode.
[/quote]

You seem to have missed the part about how i Disabled it because i don't want to have to memorize and type a bunch of unnecessary crap. My brain space is for universal truths, not arcane immediate coding bullshit.

>>This worked for decades.

>and it's still working today.

Don't fuck with what works!

[bahman]

I have. Don't y'all know it's the status quo that's broken?

Just enable BBCode.

You seem to have missed the part about how i Disabled it because i don't want to have to memorize and type a bunch of unnecessary crap. My brain space is for universal truths, not arcane immediate coding bullshit.

>>This worked for decades.

>and it's still working today.

Don't fuck with what works!

It doesn't work, it is ugly, you are lazy,...