Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:34 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:10 am
IC...you’ve informed me nobody else ever saw through my eyes...and yet you’ve just informed me of some experiences that form and shape who and what I am.....so how can you know or see my being....when there is nobody else looking through my eyes?
I only described the experiences common to every human being...being born, growing up, going places...those are things every human being does. So it took no special knowledge for me to point them out to you.
But you're still talking to me, and about the nature of reality.
IC. ..do you ever read my posts?
I read all of yours and reply with a response to the data that appears within me. I am only re-sponding, and re-acting to a data that is happening here in my sense of being....I have no knowledge of any thing outside of my being here...except what data informs here....ok?
A question to the one who goes by the name of IC
Who told you, that you are human?
When you are originally without knowledge? Prior to knowledge, you are essentially not a thing, no thing, nothing...and every thing as a concept known when that concept arises in you that is without knowledge.
Do you understand that it is not known who or what knows all concepts, because the knower cannot exist as the conceptual object it knows...for one very good reason...that which is known...knows nothing.
The concept ''human'' is a fake representational model imposed as and through identification with thought, because evolution tells a different story, it shows the human model started life in the ocean as a fish.
Now, does a fish know it's a fish, probably not.
So who told you you are a human? remember, you had no knowledge of yourself even existing as a baby. So who told you you exist? you might say your parents told you you were a human. But then who told your parents? and who told them, and before them?
Who was the very first human?
And when did a human first become human, what was the exact moment of transition when the not-knowing you became the known?
See where this is going IC ...your entire life you have lived a lie of who and what you are. Behind the lie lay the truth of who you are, which is YOU ARE and that's all that can be known...the rest is an imagined story, that is believed to be real.
That you are prior to any knowledge known, is pure not-knowing reality, which does not require a belief to be what it is, for what it is believed to be, is not what it is.
“All models are wrong, but some are useful” is a famous quote often attributed to the British statistician George E. P. Box. Thus, the idea of this quote is that every single model will be wrong...George Box.
This quote ties in very nicely with the sense that reality is totally seamless, in the context no thing can know itself, the constant flow and flux of life has no room for any apparent pause for thought...there is apparent thought which implies a thinker, but no thinker has ever been SEEN, only thoughts are seen as concepts known by the only knowing there is...which is unknowable.
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I'd like to ask you what is the idea..that you are clear we are both pretty clear on regarding what we are saying to each other? ....would you clarify what the idea is with me again thanks?
