the limits of fascism

[gaffo]

why deny the obvious.

I was about to ask you the same thing. Nazism is National Socialism.

my point was that we both konw history and so more left fanatics murdered than right ones.

but the mindset of both sides is the same, so oer history it could have benn equally revised to be a the right fanatics that did the muderings. instead.


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lets play alternative history game (and not one unlikely - but liikly given small nudges to to our history).

Germany took England in 40/41 - instead of their hafl asses etemps. they could have if she had the will to do so.

never invaded Russia.

today we'd have a 3 Rich Europe - like we had with Russai, i,e the result wold be the same - only a "cold war" vs Greater Germany instead of vs USSR).

per Japan, had they never attackd Peral Harbor - we (American) would naver have gone to war with Japn - nor germany.


so - in this alternatve timeline, toady we would have a Germanic Europe, and a Japanese Indonesia, and China - a Sino empire and a Germanic one.


same cold war we ended up with USSR,. only differnt opponents -a nd 2 instead of 1.

reslut - per american? no different.

result per the Chinese/Inoidnesians/Eurropenas - milliions nurdered via Rightists - in full measure - by rightists not leftists.

2-cents.


fantiatic are as fanatics do - they do not care if they are right or left - so why do you seem to care if they are left or not?

[Immanuel Can]

why deny the obvious.

I was about to ask you the same thing. Nazism is National Socialism.

my point was that we both konw history and so more left fanatics murdered than right ones.

I'm having difficulty getting anybody even to locate these "right ones." Nobody can seem to tell me where they are now.

fantiatic are a fanatics do - they do not care if they are right or left - so why do you seem to care if they are left or not?

Like I say: I can't get anybody to tell me where these "right" fanatics are today.

But Leftists, boy, do we even know where to find them. They're all over. So it seems the primary threat to freedom today is from the Left, not any alleged "right".

But maybe I'll ask you: whom do you regard as "right wing"?

[gaffo]

I was about to ask you the same thing. Nazism is National Socialism.

my point was that we both konw history and so more left fanatics murdered than right ones.

Uganda (Edi Amine), Chile (pinochete), Indonisa (Sukarno) and Argintina in the 1970's. thousands (millions?) killed by thier rightsists in power in those natiosn.


just answering your inquary.

[gaffo]

my bad i forgot about El Savador and Guatamalan gov - rightwign - killing thier own folks in the 80's, including those nuns and that priest romero?..............

those thugs are not leftists bubba.

guatamain priest was thrown out of a helicopter.

lovely.

but they were not leftists so a-ok. right?

[Immanuel Can]

my point was that we both konw history and so more left fanatics murdered than right ones.

Uganda (Edi Amine),

It was "Amin," and he was a tribalist and occultist, in addition to being a homicidal maniac. I know all about him. He represented no side but himself and his own. He wasn't "right" or "Leftist." He was not even really an ideologue in any systematic way; just a loon.

So you say, "Pinochet?" Well, he's dead and gone, as is Amin. So if those are your examples, there's no "right" anymore. Just Leftists.

[Sculptor]

why deny the obvious.

I was about to ask you the same thing. Nazism is National Socialism.

But National Socialism is not Socialism. The adoption of the term by Hitler was a ruse to appeal to the left.
But as any fool knows Hitler crushed the real socialists.

You might as well call The North Korean Democratic Republic "democratic", You might as well call it a "republic" too since it is neither democratic nor is is a republic since the Kim family are monarchs in all but name.

[Immanuel Can]

But National Socialism is not Socialism.

Congratulations. You win the prize for "Funniest Line in the Thread."

[Belinda]

why deny the obvious.

I was about to ask you the same thing. Nazism is National Socialism.

But National Socialism is not Socialism. The adoption of the term by Hitler was a ruse to appeal to the left.
But as any fool knows Hitler crushed the real socialists.

You might as well call The North Korean Democratic Republic "democratic", You might as well call it a "republic" too since it is neither democratic nor is is a republic since the Kim family are monarchs in all but name.

Sure, Sculptor.
I do not understand Mannie's reply to the above and I suspect he is floored.

[Immanuel Can]

I do not understand Mannie's reply to the above and I suspect he is floored.

You suspect wrongly. I'm amused by it's obvious falsehood. He could not even find a way to word it without calling it "Socialism."

Lovely.

[Sculptor]

But National Socialism is not Socialism.

Congratulations. You win the prize for "Funniest Line in the Thread."

You are such a dumb little fucker.

[Sculptor]

I was about to ask you the same thing. Nazism is National Socialism.

But National Socialism is not Socialism. The adoption of the term by Hitler was a ruse to appeal to the left.
But as any fool knows Hitler crushed the real socialists.

You might as well call The North Korean Democratic Republic "democratic", You might as well call it a "republic" too since it is neither democratic nor is is a republic since the Kim family are monarchs in all but name.

Sure, Sculptor.
I do not understand Mannie's reply to the above and I suspect he is floored.

I think the trouble with "mannie" is that he is on the belief team and not on the reason and evidence team.
He will, like a squrrel,l collect his falsehoods like nuts. Anything he likes, he believes.
No matter facts. No matter truth. No matter reason.
"Antifa plots the insurection in the Capitol" - no problem. He likes that so believes it.
"God exists", he loves that one. So he believes it.

Verordnung zur Abwehr heimtückischer Diskreditierung der nationalen Regierung (1936)
The fact that Hitler arrested TEN THOUSAND SOCIALISTS! No matter.
He does not like that facts so he ignores it.

The fact is that Socialists were amongst the few people that stood up against Hitler and
were murdered by the thousand in death camps.

Mannie is scum.

[gaffo]

Uganda (Edi Amine),

It was "Amin," and he was a tribalist and occultist, in addition to being a homicidal maniac. I know all about him. He represented no side but himself and his own. He wasn't "right" or "Leftist." He was not even really an ideologue in any systematic way; just a loon.

So you say, "Pinochet?" Well, he's dead and gone, as is Amin. So if those are your examples, there's no "right" anymore. Just Leftists.

my point is there are thugs - so Stalin was not a leftist, thug like the rest of them/

you and i know history but for some reason only you know blaime "socialism" for stalins murder rempags (instead of via thuggery - like Hilter, and the ones on the right pinochet,el savador genralisimo, guatamalan/etc..........thugs are all about them - not some ideology they do not belive in - just use for self gain.

yes history is clear per Moe/Stalin -the "left" killed more then the right do you think moe/stalin actually had a true political belive in "leftism"? - bullshit! they were like all thugs me and mine, use what will promote me - so Stalin/Moe used communism to promote thmselves while they murdered.


in another alternative history - where Germnay took over all of Europe and American never got in the war ----so Tojo and Hitler had full reign, we would have two "rightwing" eimpires - an empire of the sun and racially pure..................do you think those tow thugs actually bleived in thier dogma? or just used it as Stalin/Meo did.


thugs are all about me and me - nothing more. if some dogma serves them they use it!

--- BTW Rump is a thug, and i got pissed off that you defended the amercian hilter - Trump- yes i was drunk, as now, i do not like saying "fuck you sir" and drugs do not create/alter the nature of the man posting - me - just lower inhibitions to the point of being uncivil. so if sober i would hold my tough insstead of telling you to fuck yourself.


i do like you as a person, and it hurt me reading your posts defending rump - i know are a good person, so why you defend that shitstain remains beyond me - i just posted to you while drumk (as i am not too - for clariity sake) .


please explain to me how/why your defend rump - a full shittstain, when he is clearly an insurrectionist - and should be put on trial for it) - 5 deaths over his bullshit "illegal election" - but only whne it him - not per the same elections of state republican reps................


----------i'm holding my tough this time.........but thinking the same thing per you and Rump,


why as a good guy do you defend this pure asshole thug - on the same level as Hityler Stalin/etc.......just less competent (if he were a Hitler (Competent) - he would have removed American Representative REpublic i the same number of yrs it took Hitler to do with Germany).

so again, why do you side with a Hitler Wannaba instead of the rule of Law? - knowing you are a nice guy.


so you saying - some naxis were nice guys too - ya some were - 1/5 of maybe. the rest were not.

you one of the minority?

[Immanuel Can]

i do like you as a person, and it hurt me reading your posts defending rump

I cannot ever remember doing that. Nor can I remember attacking him. I can only remember criticizing Biden and his Socialist handlers...which is not at all the same thing. Biden's faults will not make Trump virtuous, nor will any sins of Trump make Biden and the Socialists good. The two are separate issues.

And I like you fine too. So we don't have to fight over it.

[gaffo]

i do like you as a person, and it hurt me reading your posts defending rump

I cannot ever remember doing that. Nor can I remember attacking him. I can only remember criticizing Biden and his Socialist handlers...which is not at all the same thing. Biden's faults will not make Trump virtuous, nor will any sins of Trump make Biden and the Socialists good. The two are separate issues.

And I like you fine too. So we don't have to fight over it.

Not a FAN OF bIDEN,WAS 25-10 YRS AGO, BUT TODAY I KNOW HE IS TOO OLD AND SENILE. sANDERS - WHON I LEARNNED OF ABOUT 8 YRS AGO - IS OLDER, BUT NOT SENILE. YS I LIKE sANDERS TOO.

i DO NOT THINK bIDEN IS UP FOR THE JOB - DUE TO HIS SENILITY - NOT AGE (SOME FOLKS REMAINS SMART WHILE OLD, OTHERS DO NOT - SO NOT INTO AGEISM). i VOTED FOR bIDEN THIS TIME AROUND DUE TO THE ALTERNATIVE - A THUG. NOT BECAUE I THOUGHT HE WOULD MAKE THE BETTER PRESIDENT - SANDERS WAS MY MAN ON THAT ONE THIS TIME AROUND. BUT sANDERS LOST, AND WE WERE OFFRED bIDEN FROM TEH dEM. i AM A REG iINDEPENDANT SINCE THE 80'S OLNY FOR A SHORT 6 MONTHS IN 2003/4 DID IEGISTER dEM TO VOTE FOR hOWARD dEAN IN MY STATS DEM PRIMARY - BACK THEN OK DEMS WERE STILL THE MAJORITY PARTY - THOUGH DYING - AND HAD CLOSED PRIMARY - SO I COULD NOT VOTE FOR dEAN AS AN INDEPENDANTAND NOTE THAT I VOTED FOR rON pAUL IN 88 - SO I'M NOT BOT - I VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE I LIKE - NOT PARTY AFFILIATED).

SIINCE THEN THE DEMS IN MY STATE - NOW THE MINORITY HAVE UPNED UP THEIR PRIMARY - SO IF I LIKE ANY OF THEIR CANDIDATES - I VOTED FOR sANDRS THIS LAST TIME IN MY STATE PRIMARY) - I NO LONGER NEED TO RE-REGISTER TO VOTE FOR A DEM IF I LIKE THEM). rEICHBUGS I THINK - EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOW THE MAJORITY PARTY IN MY STATE - STILL OFFER A CLOSE PRIMARY.

PER SOICALISM, YOU NEED TO REMOVER YOUR BLINDERS - THUGS RULE AS THUGS ARE - NONE OF THEM HAVE A POLITIAL PHILOSPHY - OUTSIDE OF USING IT TO PROMOTE THIER OWN EGO. sTALIN AND hITLER/ETC WERE ALL THE SAME - NONE HAD ANY PERSONAL POLITICAL PHILOPSHY, THEY JUST USED POLITICAL PHILOSPHY FOR THEIR OWN SELF GAIN - WHILE NOT BELEIVING IN IT - FOR TO DO SO WOULD BE TO BELEIVE IN SOMETHING OUTSIDE THEMSELVES - AND NO THUG DOES.

ALL ABOUT EGO - AND RUMP IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE (A "DEM" ALL HIS LIVE - UNTIL 2014 - THEN BECAME A rEICHBUG - FOR SELF GAIN - AND IT WORKED - THE PLEAB KOOLAIRDERS ON THE REICH LINED UP IN DROVES. THE REST IS HISTROY - HOPEFULLY.


BTW - Caps locked above and too lazy to re-write........ that 4k tv is have/etc..

[gaffo]

Uganda (Edi Amine),

It was "Amin," and he was a tribalist and occultist, in addition to being a homicidal maniac. I know all about him. He represented no side but himself and his own. He wasn't "right" or "Leftist." He was not even really an ideologue in any systematic way; just a loon.

exactly! you just made my point - not left nor right, just ego.

no dictator has a philosphy outside himself.