The Capitol building is breached by the Retrumplicans NOW!

[Sculptor]

The militarization of the Election will be Trump's lasting legacy.
He shall be remembered as America's worst ever President.

Certainly that will be the history if maniacal Leftists/Progressives have the say of the way things are.

Yes. If reason wins out that will be the case.
Today a Trump supporter travelling to the Capitol to join the inauguration was arrested with 500 rounds of ammunition and the guns to fire it.

[Sculptor]

I suppose you think that Trump is not responsible for whipping up the seige of the Capitol.

Correct that that's my view.

Then you are an ass

I suppose you think that lying about the election since November has nothing whatever to do with the violence.

This, however, isn't something I'd say.

Not only are you an ass, you are contradicting youtself.

Trump's comments have something to do with the Capitol incident in a manner with similarities to Salinger's Catcher in the Rye having something to do with John Lennon's death.

Wrong. Salinger had no intention of killing Lenon. Trump has stirred up the mob with the exact intention of causing problems

We can't say that the latter had nothing to do with Lennon's death, because in Chapman's mind, it did. It was a motivating force for him. However, obviously Catcher in the Rye didn't cause (in the sense of forced action) Chapman to murder Lennon.

Why are use your brain for a change I know you are capable.

[UniversalAlien]

I see two basic choices to sum up the event as it pertains to Trump's involvement:

1. Trump is telling the truth and the election was stolen from him even though every court case of election fraud has been ruled invalid - Therefor the whole legal system of the United States in involved in a Q Anon type conspiracy to steal the election which he really won by a landslide.

2. Trump is an 'enemy combatant', a domestic terrorist intent on overturning a legitimate election of a legitimate nation that has had free elections for well over 200 years.

Therefor his words on the day of the event must be considered in light of intent, regardless of the consequences that played out. Charles Manson {the Tate, LaBianca mass murder in California years ago} could, and maybe did argue that he was not at the killing and his plan to execute the killings was just a hypothetical story - Not accepted, and he was found guilty.

Trump could argue that he didn't intend to have his followers actually storm the Capitol by force
and his his words to "fight like hell" were only hyperbole and were not meant to be taken seriously by his loyal supporters who he egged on until what happened did happen and he did nothing to stop it until the objective of breaking into the Capitol building had been achieved.

If I was a lawyer and were to be defending the trial of Donald Trump, whether as and Impeachment Trial, or otherwise - I world see Insanity as the only valid defense!
- He was either guilty of a treasonous act against the government of the United States or he is nuts!

[gaffo]

I'm not saying it made sense. I'm not saying it will achieve anything. I'm saying the Democrats are the last people in the world with any justification to throw up their hands in horror and scream, "What has happened to the rule of law?" They burned the rule of law to the ground, and now they are surprised that mayhem has broken out? They have no right to put one toe on the high ground, let alone a foot.

Heh. You could surf to Hawaii on the waves of hypocrisy emanating from the Dems today.

...the name of a man - rump...

I'm not American. I have no obligation either to Biden or Trump. So insulting Trump is irrelevant: even were he a very bad human being, that would not make Biden and the Dems good. So far as I can see, it's a choice between a pragmatist and a corrupt Socialist. I know how to deal with the former. The latter is much more dangerous to human welfare and economies.

pure bullshit from you. there is notinhg evil about socialism nor rightism - as long as they affirmthe rule of alw they are valid and have concent of the governed to be governed by a valid govermenetn.

the problem is you are baised asgaisnt "socialism" - for what reason? Norway is fine.

you are also biased in thinking Rump affirm sthe rule of alw - that thug still as my President has 5 days to declaire marshall law - ("oh my eog is so small i chould not have lost!!!!!!!!! a legal election!!!!!! so i will delcar marshall law) - and i thnk that shitstain will, but the generals whom took an oath to my Constitution - not Herr Rump - will just refuse the oder) - and add another charge to the thug iin office per is hopefull future trial for inserection.


per Biben, i liked the guy personally - voted for him in my primary 12? yr ago........but he is too old now, senile - i know this - but when you have the 2-part fix (where the corrupton dissalows 3-4 parties to be viable - i voted ofr Ron Paul in 88 btw) - we have to vote for the lesser of the two.

and Rump is not even lesser - heis less than less - so ya bring on the old senile old man over rump.

[Walker]

The militarization of the Election will be Trump's lasting legacy.
He shall be remembered as America's worst ever President.

Certainly that will be the history if maniacal Leftists/Progressives have the say of the way things are.

Yes. If reason wins out that will be the case.
Today a Trump supporter travelling to the Capitol to join the inauguration was arrested with 500 rounds of ammunition and the guns to fire it.

Maniacal leftist/progressive and "reason" are contradictory terms.

So, you still believe what the media tells you?

That's nice.

[Immanuel Can]

the problem is you are baised asgaisnt "socialism"

No, the problem is that I know history, and so I'm very familiar with Socialism's "work."

And I don't like the loss of human rights, I don't like the gulags, I don't like the political correctness and the suppression of free speech, and I certainly don't like the over 100 million dead bodies. I don't want to see America go that way, but some folks there sure seem in a hurry to get there.

P.S. -- Norway's not Socialist. They survive on massive oil reserves, or their social programs would be in the dumpster. Because Socialism is economic suicide, they can only stay afloat on capitalist oil. And the other Scandinavian countries follow similar patterns: social programs paid for by free enterprise. If you want Socialism, look at Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Albania, and so on.

[UniversalAlien]

Trump claims he will not be there when Biden is sworn in as President.

Trump should be forced to be there! WHY

In the event of, and to prevent, a terrorist attack. All the precautions, security and the National Guard are now taking may come to naught if 'radicalized' Trumpsters and/or other 'bad players' decide to attack the Inauguration.

Only Trump's presence at the event will insure that a major 911 style attack is prevented
- 'They' are not likely to attack if they know their boss {Trump} might come to harm at the event.

[tillingborn]

In that case, do you think Trump is too stupid to understand, as you do, that words have influence?

I'm sure he understands that words can have influence. Influence is different than force.

I think there is a spectrum from influence, to coercion, to force. That broadly follows a spectrum of persuading people to do what you want, to things they are reluctant to do, to things they will only do on pain of punishment. I think you are right that ultimately responsibility rests with the individual but, Trump aside, I do think that any individual that deliberately uses their influence has to accept responsibility for the consequences.

[Sculptor]

Certainly that will be the history if maniacal Leftists/Progressives have the say of the way things are.

Yes. If reason wins out that will be the case.
Today a Trump supporter travelling to the Capitol to join the inauguration was arrested with 500 rounds of ammunition and the guns to fire it.

Maniacal leftist/progressive and "reason" are contradictory terms.

So, you still believe what the media tells you?

That's nice.

They are onluy problematic for a brainless Foxnews obsessed twat like yourself.
Loser!

[henry quirk]

Trump should be forced to be there!

and they call ORANGE MAN the wanna-be dictator...jeez

[Terrapin Station]

In that case, do you think Trump is too stupid to understand, as you do, that words have influence?

I'm sure he understands that words can have influence. Influence is different than force.

I think there is a spectrum from influence, to coercion, to force. That broadly follows a spectrum of persuading people to do what you want, to things they are reluctant to do, to things they will only do on pain of punishment. I think you are right that ultimately responsibility rests with the individual but, Trump aside, I do think that any individual that deliberately uses their influence has to accept responsibility for the consequences.

My disposition is that I don't have an issue with anything short of force. Other people have other dispositions, obviously.

[Terrapin Station]

I suppose you think that Trump is not responsible for whipping up the seige of the Capitol.

Correct that that's my view.

Then you are an ass

I suppose you think that lying about the election since November has nothing whatever to do with the violence.

This, however, isn't something I'd say.

Not only are you an ass, you are contradicting youtself.

lol re "then you are an ass."

Re contradicting myself, on my view, "X has something to do with y" does not imply "X is responsible for y."

Trump's comments have something to do with the Capitol incident in a manner with similarities to Salinger's Catcher in the Rye having something to do with John Lennon's death.

Wrong. Salinger had no intention of killing Lenon. Trump has stirred up the mob with the exact intention of causing problems

I agree that intentionality is a difference. Hence, that's not what I was referring to when I said that both had something to do with subsequent incidents in a manner with similarities.

[Sculptor]

Correct that that's my view.

Then you are an ass

This, however, isn't something I'd say.

Not only are you an ass, you are contradicting youtself.

lol re "then you are an ass."

Re contradicting myself, on my view, "X has something to do with y" does not imply "X is responsible for y."

Trump's comments have something to do with the Capitol incident in a manner with similarities to Salinger's Catcher in the Rye having something to do with John Lennon's death.

Wrong. Salinger had no intention of killing Lenon. Trump has stirred up the mob with the exact intention of causing problems

I agree that intentionality is a difference. Hence, that's not what I was referring to when I said that both had something to do with subsequent incidents in a manner with similarities.

You are a dinosaur.

[Terrapin Station]

Then you are an ass

Not only are you an ass, you are contradicting youtself.

lol re "then you are an ass."

Re contradicting myself, on my view, "X has something to do with y" does not imply "X is responsible for y."

Wrong. Salinger had no intention of killing Lenon. Trump has stirred up the mob with the exact intention of causing problems

I agree that intentionality is a difference. Hence, that's not what I was referring to when I said that both had something to do with subsequent incidents in a manner with similarities.

You are a dinosaur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBqpjcissc

[Sculptor]

lol re "then you are an ass."

Re contradicting myself, on my view, "X has something to do with y" does not imply "X is responsible for y."




I agree that intentionality is a difference. Hence, that's not what I was referring to when I said that both had something to do with subsequent incidents in a manner with similarities.

You are a dinosaur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBqpjcissc

If a doctor instructs a nurse to give the wrong injection, you think the nurse is responsible. Such a good taste in music for a ****.