Mind is uncaused cause

[henry quirk]

seems relevant...

https://mindmatters.ai/2020/02/why-pion ... the-brain/

Very interesting.

[Age]

Any mind can stop a chain of causality.

Besides the FACT that what you said here ONCE AGAIN had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever at all to do with what I said and which you quoted, how can a "mind" stop the causal chain of heat and light from the sun reaching earth.

Can you stop a chain of causality? Yes or no?

That all depends.

This one here writing back to 'you' could NOT stop the chain of causality, which has caused the heat and light, which has reached earth.

However, I could stop the chain of causality of replying back to 'you' with just an oversimplified "yes" or a "no" to ridiculous questions.

I also could NOT stop the BLINDNESS, which has ALREADY been caused by YOUR BELIEFS, which you OBVIOUSLY possess, show, AND reveal in YOUR writings.

[Age]

The thought is the result of the mind's activity by processing the information that resides in the physical, brain for example.

Besides this SHOWING that you will say just about ANY thing to sound like you know what you are talking about, the fact that you have previously stated, "we are minds" and "your mind" just further conflates, confuses, and contradicts what you now say here.

No, coherent change, including thought, can take place without mind.

This MAY or MAY NOT be so and true. However, what EXACTLY is the, so called, "mind".

If you NEVER explain this in a Truly simple and easily understandable way, then do NOT expect 'me' nor "others" to agree with and accept your CLAIM and BELIEF here.

Also, there are so many different perspectives and ways to LOOK AT and SEE ,what you said here, from. So, what 'you' say here COULD BE either absolutely True or False, Right or Wrong, and/or Correct or Incorrect or ANY where in between.

Therefore, until you start explaining what words mean, to 'you', which makes full comprehensible sense, and which fits in perfectly with ALL of your other explanations of the definitions that you use for words, then do NOT be surprised if you have NOT proved ANY thing REALLY at all, YET.

Are you able to EXPLAIN just HOW "we are minds" does NOT contradict "your mind"?

[Age]

I understood a promise in that "NOT YET "

Well observed.

And what is your position?

OBVIOUSLY 'you', "bahman", here are STILL COMPLETELY MISSING 'that' what was very simply and very easily RECOGNIZED, SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD by the "other".

[Dimebag]

The brain and or mind no more stops a chain of causality than a shock absorber absorbs impact. There is still a transfer of energy from the world to your brain, which will be expressed in some way. You can find more positive ways of radiating that energy back out into the world, rather than simply reactively giving back what you were dealt. And this is all commensurate with the laws of physics, causality etc.

[bahman]

Besides the FACT that what you said here ONCE AGAIN had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever at all to do with what I said and which you quoted, how can a "mind" stop the causal chain of heat and light from the sun reaching earth.

Can you stop a chain of causality? Yes or no?

That all depends.

This one here writing back to 'you' could NOT stop the chain of causality, which has caused the heat and light, which has reached earth.

However, I could stop the chain of causality of replying back to 'you' with just an oversimplified "yes" or a "no" to ridiculous questions.

I also could NOT stop the BLINDNESS, which has ALREADY been caused by YOUR BELIEFS, which you OBVIOUSLY possess, show, AND reveal in YOUR writings.

Well, if you can freely stop a chain of causality like a chain of thought then you are an uncaused cause.

[bahman]

Besides this SHOWING that you will say just about ANY thing to sound like you know what you are talking about, the fact that you have previously stated, "we are minds" and "your mind" just further conflates, confuses, and contradicts what you now say here.

No, coherent change, including thought, can take place without mind.

This MAY or MAY NOT be so and true. However, what EXACTLY is the, so called, "mind".

The mind is an irreducible substance with the ability to experience and cause.

If you NEVER explain this in a Truly simple and easily understandable way, then do NOT expect 'me' nor "others" to agree with and accept your CLAIM and BELIEF here.

I have an argument for mind.

Also, there are so many different perspectives and ways to LOOK AT and SEE ,what you said here, from. So, what 'you' say here COULD BE either absolutely True or False, Right or Wrong, and/or Correct or Incorrect or ANY where in between.

I already proved that you didn't provide a proper objection to my argument.

Therefore, until you start explaining what words mean, to 'you', which makes full comprehensible sense, and which fits in perfectly with ALL of your other explanations of the definitions that you use for words, then do NOT be surprised if you have NOT proved ANY thing REALLY at all, YET.

Are you able to EXPLAIN just HOW "we are minds" does NOT contradict "your mind"?

I am a mind. You are a mind. There are at least two minds.

[bahman]

Well observed.

And what is your position?

OBVIOUSLY 'you', "bahman", here are STILL COMPLETELY MISSING 'that' what was very simply and very easily RECOGNIZED, SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD by the "other".

And what is your position?

[bahman]

The brain and or mind no more stops a chain of causality than a shock absorber absorbs impact. There is still a transfer of energy from the world to your brain, which will be expressed in some way. You can find more positive ways of radiating that energy back out into the world, rather than simply reactively giving back what you were dealt. And this is all commensurate with the laws of physics, causality etc.

The mind is not due to physical. That is the mind that causes physical. I have an argument for that in here.

[Age]

Can you stop a chain of causality? Yes or no?

That all depends.

This one here writing back to 'you' could NOT stop the chain of causality, which has caused the heat and light, which has reached earth.

However, I could stop the chain of causality of replying back to 'you' with just an oversimplified "yes" or a "no" to ridiculous questions.

I also could NOT stop the BLINDNESS, which has ALREADY been caused by YOUR BELIEFS, which you OBVIOUSLY possess, show, AND reveal in YOUR writings.

Well, if you can freely stop a chain of causality like a chain of thought then you are an uncaused cause.

Well, if the one that 'you' are talking to, and about, can do this, then this means that that one is NOT a human being. This is because EVERY human being is caused.

Also, where did you get the proof from to conclude what you have here? Or, do you NOT have ANY proof, yet?

[Age]

No, coherent change, including thought, can take place without mind.

This MAY or MAY NOT be so and true. However, what EXACTLY is the, so called, "mind".

The mind is an irreducible substance with the ability to experience and cause.

What EVIDENCE or preferably PROOF do you have and use for this CLAIM here?

'Matter' is ALSO an irreducible substance with the ability to experience and cause. So, are you saying here that 'mind' is 'matter'?

If yes, then okay.

But if no, then what are you saying here, EXACTLY?

If you NEVER explain this in a Truly simple and easily understandable way, then do NOT expect 'me' nor "others" to agree with and accept your CLAIM and BELIEF here.

I have an argument for mind.

You ALSO have BLINDNESS. BUT, so what?

Also, there are so many different perspectives and ways to LOOK AT and SEE ,what you said here, from. So, what 'you' say here COULD BE either absolutely True or False, Right or Wrong, and/or Correct or Incorrect or ANY where in between.

I already proved that you didn't provide a proper objection to my argument.

LOL 'you' REALLY BELIEVE that just because you SAY some 'thing' then that IS PROOF, itself, correct?

WHERE and WHEN did you "ALREADY PROVE" that I did NOT provide a "proper objection to your argument?

Therefore, until you start explaining what words mean, to 'you', which makes full comprehensible sense, and which fits in perfectly with ALL of your other explanations of the definitions that you use for words, then do NOT be surprised if you have NOT proved ANY thing REALLY at all, YET.

Are you able to EXPLAIN just HOW "we are minds" does NOT contradict "your mind"?

I am a mind. You are a mind. There are at least two minds.

LOL 'you' ARE STILL BLIND, and so STILL COMPLETELY MISSED and MISUNDERSTOOD what was CLEARLY WRITTEN and EXPLAINED here.

[Age]

And what is your position?

OBVIOUSLY 'you', "bahman", here are STILL COMPLETELY MISSING 'that' what was very simply and very easily RECOGNIZED, SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD by the "other".

And what is your position?

Some say, 'within EVERY thing', but in regards to 'what' EXACTLY?

[Dimebag]

The brain and or mind no more stops a chain of causality than a shock absorber absorbs impact. There is still a transfer of energy from the world to your brain, which will be expressed in some way. You can find more positive ways of radiating that energy back out into the world, rather than simply reactively giving back what you were dealt. And this is all commensurate with the laws of physics, causality etc.

The mind is not due to physical. That is the mind that causes physical. I have an argument for that in here.

I am not referring to the mind of some god which may or may not oversee the whole of material reality, but rather the mind of a human. Is that mind not due to the physical? It undeniably emerges FROM the physical, so unless we hold some view like that of a spirit which inhabits the body upon conception, or birth, or some point in between, then the mind must be taken as some product of physical processes. As such, it is beholden to the same causal interactions as all other matter. After all, the mind breaks down along with the body. People’s faculties degenerate with age, or illness, physical damage, or degenerative conditions. These are all undeniable examples of the causal relationship between what you call mind, the brain, and the material world.

So unless you prescribe to the dubious idea that the brain is some kind of receiver for the mind, and any malfunction in mind is due to a faulty receiver, which is the laziest form of reasoning I have come across when it comes to trying to explain the relationship between brain, mind and consciousness, then you cannot escape that mind is inextricably linked to the physical in such a way that the two cannot be separated, indicating some necessary link between the two.

[bahman]

That all depends.

This one here writing back to 'you' could NOT stop the chain of causality, which has caused the heat and light, which has reached earth.

However, I could stop the chain of causality of replying back to 'you' with just an oversimplified "yes" or a "no" to ridiculous questions.

I also could NOT stop the BLINDNESS, which has ALREADY been caused by YOUR BELIEFS, which you OBVIOUSLY possess, show, AND reveal in YOUR writings.

Well, if you can freely stop a chain of causality like a chain of thought then you are an uncaused cause.

Well, if the one that 'you' are talking to, and about, can do this, then this means that that one is NOT a human being. This is because EVERY human being is caused.

Also, where did you get the proof from to conclude what you have here? Or, do you NOT have ANY proof, yet?

There are two scenarios when a chain of causality stops: Either it stops due to another chain of causality or not. In the second case, an uncaused cause, the free agent is involved. It is free since it can decide in spite of what it perceives, the chain of causality.

[bahman]

OBVIOUSLY 'you', "bahman", here are STILL COMPLETELY MISSING 'that' what was very simply and very easily RECOGNIZED, SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD by the "other".

And what is your position?

Some say, 'within EVERY thing', but in regards to 'what' EXACTLY?

In regard to the philosophy of mind. Do you think that the mind exists?