the ethics of the Unabomber

[Advocate]

Most intellectual screeds of the suicidal intellectuals of society have a whole lot more sense in them than the speeches of most modern politicians. If you haven't yet read Industrial Society and It's Future, etc. try it. I believe you'll find far more truth than you've been led to expect. Also, in such diatribes, it's usually fairly obvious where and how they're going wrong, making their work much easier to digest than politics, which always intends to obscure.

[Age]

Most intellectual screeds of the suicidal intellectuals of society have a whole lot more sense in them than the speeches of most modern politicians. If you haven't yet read Industrial Society and It's Future, etc. try it. I believe you'll find far more truth than you've been led to expect.

Will you provide ANY examples?

Also, in such diatribes, it's usually fairly obvious where and how they're going wrong, making their work much easier to digest than politics, which always intends to obscure.

[Advocate]

>Will you provide ANY examples?

I absolutely did. You've going to have to read it to see what i mean. There are plenty of others. Unfortunately i don't have a list, i've just read them now and then.

[Age]

>Will you provide ANY examples?

I absolutely did.

You said and claimed: "If you read some book, then "you will find far more truth than you have been led to expect."

I then just asked you; Will you provide ANY examples? [of this, "far more truth than I have been led to expect?"]

To which you replied, "I ABSOLUTELY did".

So, WHERE did 'you'?

You've going to have to read it to see what i mean.

But this appears to CONTRADICT what you just said about you ABSOLUTELY did provide examples. Or, am I MISSING some 'thing' here?

Also, HOW is it possible for 'me' to read a book and SEE what you SAW, and what you MEAN, ESPECIALLY considering that 'you' have NOT YET told 'us' what 'you' SAW, and what you MEAN?

There are plenty of others.

Plenty of other 'what', EXACTLY?

And, WHERE are 'they', EXACTLY?

Unfortunately i don't have a list, i've just read them now and then.

If you are talking about the examples of "far more truth than I have been led to expect", then, if you just said something like: "I do NOT recall ANY examples for now", then that would have been all well and good. There would NOT have been ANY need for ANY of this completely other UNNECESSARY wording of yours here.

BUT, if you can recall some of those examples, then, will you provide ANY examples?

[Advocate]

[quote=Age post_id=488871 time=1610260215 user_id=16237]
[quote=Advocate post_id=488866 time=1610258532 user_id=15238]
>Will you provide ANY examples?

I absolutely did. [/quote]

You said and claimed: "If you read some book, then "you will find far more truth than you have been led to expect."

I then just asked you; Will you provide ANY examples? [of this, "far more truth than I have been led to expect?"]

To which you replied, "I ABSOLUTELY did".

So, WHERE did 'you'?

[quote=Advocate post_id=488866 time=1610258532 user_id=15238]
You've going to have to read it to see what i mean. [/quote]

But this appears to CONTRADICT what you just said about you ABSOLUTELY did provide examples. Or, am I MISSING some 'thing' here?

Also, HOW is it possible for 'me' to read a book and SEE what you SAW, and what you MEAN, ESPECIALLY considering that 'you' have NOT YET told 'us' what 'you' SAW, and what you MEAN?

[quote=Advocate post_id=488866 time=1610258532 user_id=15238]
There are plenty of others.[/quote]

Plenty of other 'what', EXACTLY?

And, WHERE are 'they', EXACTLY?

[quote=Advocate post_id=488866 time=1610258532 user_id=15238]
Unfortunately i don't have a list, i've just read them now and then.
[/quote]

If you are talking about the examples of "far more truth than I have been led to expect", then, if you just said something like: "I do NOT recall ANY examples for now", then that would have been all well and good. There would NOT have been ANY need for ANY of this completely other UNNECESSARY wording of yours here.

BUT, if you can recall some of those examples, then, will you provide ANY examples?
[/quote]

The book i referenced is an example. I'm speaking of the overall set of ideas in the work, not individual instances. It would be easier to say where he's wrong than where he's right, but i see no purpose for citing more specific excerpts because no matter what i say you or someone else will vehemently disagree and call me a Nazi. My point is that you should draw your own conclusions and if you're a reasonable person you'll readily see for yourself the evidence of my contention, and thereby, his. I do not seek to persuade but to open eyes and minds to The Truth. I'm not selling anything and if you don't find my contention to be true, it's your loss, because it is true.

[Age]

>Will you provide ANY examples?

I absolutely did.

You said and claimed: "If you read some book, then "you will find far more truth than you have been led to expect."

I then just asked you; Will you provide ANY examples? [of this, "far more truth than I have been led to expect?"]

To which you replied, "I ABSOLUTELY did".

So, WHERE did 'you'?

You've going to have to read it to see what i mean.

But this appears to CONTRADICT what you just said about you ABSOLUTELY did provide examples. Or, am I MISSING some 'thing' here?

Also, HOW is it possible for 'me' to read a book and SEE what you SAW, and what you MEAN, ESPECIALLY considering that 'you' have NOT YET told 'us' what 'you' SAW, and what you MEAN?

There are plenty of others.

Plenty of other 'what', EXACTLY?

And, WHERE are 'they', EXACTLY?

Unfortunately i don't have a list, i've just read them now and then.

If you are talking about the examples of "far more truth than I have been led to expect", then, if you just said something like: "I do NOT recall ANY examples for now", then that would have been all well and good. There would NOT have been ANY need for ANY of this completely other UNNECESSARY wording of yours here.

BUT, if you can recall some of those examples, then, will you provide ANY examples?

The book i referenced is an example. I'm speaking of the overall set of ideas in the work, not individual instances. It would be easier to say where he's wrong than where he's right, but i see no purpose for citing more specific excerpts because no matter what i say you or someone else will vehemently disagree and call me a Nazi. My point is that you should draw your own conclusions and if you're a reasonable person you'll readily see for yourself the evidence of my contention, and thereby, his. I do not seek to persuade but to open eyes and minds to The Truth. I'm not selling anything and if you don't find my contention to be true, it's your loss, because it is true.

So, what you are SAYING and CLAIMING here is that you actually BELIEVE that you KNOW what "I have been led to expect".

Firstly, HOW do 'you' KNOW what 'I' have been led to "expect"?

Secondly, could you be WRONG?

Thirdly, PROVE 'your' CLAIM that you actually do KNOW what " 'I' have been led to expect. "

So, now what, EXACTLY, have 'I', supposedly AND allegedly, been "led to expect"?

[Advocate]

[quote=Age post_id=488884 time=1610267781 user_id=16237]
[quote=Advocate post_id=488872 time=1610261849 user_id=15238]
[quote=Age post_id=488871 time=1610260215 user_id=16237]


You said and claimed: "If you read some book, then "you will find far more truth than you have been led to expect."

I then just asked you; Will you provide ANY examples? [of this, "far more truth than I have been led to expect?"]

To which you replied, "I ABSOLUTELY did".

So, WHERE did 'you'?



But this appears to CONTRADICT what you just said about you ABSOLUTELY did provide examples. Or, am I MISSING some 'thing' here?

Also, HOW is it possible for 'me' to read a book and SEE what you SAW, and what you MEAN, ESPECIALLY considering that 'you' have NOT YET told 'us' what 'you' SAW, and what you MEAN?



Plenty of other 'what', EXACTLY?

And, WHERE are 'they', EXACTLY?



If you are talking about the examples of "far more truth than I have been led to expect", then, if you just said something like: "I do NOT recall ANY examples for now", then that would have been all well and good. There would NOT have been ANY need for ANY of this completely other UNNECESSARY wording of yours here.

BUT, if you can recall some of those examples, then, will you provide ANY examples?
[/quote]

The book i referenced is an example. I'm speaking of the overall set of ideas in the work, not individual instances. It would be easier to say where he's wrong than where he's right, but i see no purpose for citing more specific excerpts because no matter what i say you or someone else will vehemently disagree and call me a Nazi. My point is that you should draw your own conclusions and if you're a reasonable person you'll readily see for yourself the evidence of my contention, and thereby, his. I do not seek to persuade but to open eyes and minds to The Truth. I'm not selling anything and if you don't find my contention to be true, it's your loss, because it is true.
[/quote]

So, what you are SAYING and CLAIMING here is that you actually BELIEVE that you KNOW what "I have been led to expect".

Firstly, HOW do 'you' KNOW what 'I' have been led to "expect"?

Secondly, could you be WRONG?

Thirdly, PROVE 'your' CLAIM that you actually do KNOW what " 'I' have been led to expect. "

So, now what, EXACTLY, have 'I', supposedly AND allegedly, been "led to expect"?
[/quote]

Just read the damned thing.

[Age]

The book i referenced is an example. I'm speaking of the overall set of ideas in the work, not individual instances. It would be easier to say where he's wrong than where he's right, but i see no purpose for citing more specific excerpts because no matter what i say you or someone else will vehemently disagree and call me a Nazi. My point is that you should draw your own conclusions and if you're a reasonable person you'll readily see for yourself the evidence of my contention, and thereby, his. I do not seek to persuade but to open eyes and minds to The Truth. I'm not selling anything and if you don't find my contention to be true, it's your loss, because it is true.

So, what you are SAYING and CLAIMING here is that you actually BELIEVE that you KNOW what "I have been led to expect".

Firstly, HOW do 'you' KNOW what 'I' have been led to "expect"?

Secondly, could you be WRONG?

Thirdly, PROVE 'your' CLAIM that you actually do KNOW what " 'I' have been led to expect. "

So, now what, EXACTLY, have 'I', supposedly AND allegedly, been "led to expect"?

Just read the damned thing.

At this moment some would say, 'just PROVE your CLAIMS', but I will NOT.