I don't know much about Eastern music but appreciate the theory behind it. The Eastern musician has heard and can produce quarter tones on their instrument. In the West we have a hard enough time with semi tones since the ears have dulled. Yet it is through quarter tones that the higher emotions can be touched and the listener can experience the higher emotion felt by the musician.Janoah wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:17 pmthat is, you do not consider music as art at all (something related to Plato's statements)?Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:59 pmThat is an essential question: is romantic expression art or just expression? I don't believe it isart since by definition it is illusion. There is no communication of human value which can be remembered..Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:57 pm
'Art' usually and popularly applies to expressive artefacts, but it did not always do so. The expression of individuals' feelings is a social trend that began to make itself felt in late 18th century Europe.
Beethoven was an exponent of the expressive in music. Elise was a shy and modest young woman and 'Fur Elise' is a musical description of her personality. Beethoven is listed as one of the great Romantic composers.
Or could you give an example of a piece of music you consider art?
Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:35 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHIhsq9qHPk
Touches my feelings.
George Duke/Frank Zappa
Not if the proof requires me to answer questions.Janoah wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:37 amWalker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:35 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHIhsq9qHPk
Touches my feelings.
George Duke/Frank Zappa
however, I do not consider electronic music to be an art, and I think I can prove it.
Being part Armenian I do understand the sorrows of the Armenian people deep inside me. It is expressed through the duduk of a fine musician. When I hear this I feel this unique sorrow. I call it receiving art.
I don't know Beethoven's intent. Was it to create a unique quality of music the listener is capable of experiencing or was it just a powerful expression with no deeper intent?
In response to Nick, musical works may, like Fur Elise or Hey Jude, be intended by the composer to mean something, to refer to some event or person. Pop music is often like this . Jazz is more abstract. Classical music is typically abstract.Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:04 pmI don't know much about Eastern music but appreciate the theory behind it. The Eastern musician has heard and can produce quarter tones on their instrument. In the West we have a hard enough time with semi tones since the ears have dulled. Yet it is through quarter tones that the higher emotions can be touched and the listener can experience the higher emotion felt by the musician.
I like electronic music as an idiom in its own right as performed for instance on a Moog synthesiser. I also appreciate the skill of people who work in sound studios.
No we should not call pornography art, because pornography is meant to entertain without any aim other than entertainment by the makers or the consumers of porn.Nick_A wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:15 am Belinda
Art is emotional communication of a higher quality. Art occurs when the artist has the skill to create a work of art in which a person witnessing it receives the intended emotion put into it. When this communication occurs, then art occurs.
An artist can attempt to create a work of art glorifying a rape. It is technically excellent. A viewer may witness this expression and say to himself: "yeah, I'd like to screw the bitch myself". It is an emotional communication but should we call it art?
In contrast with expressions that a person can find subjective meanings in, art is about "ideals" people can feel. Secularism has pretty much denied ideals" in pursuit of subjective values which only means that art has lost its value. Dimitry Fadeyev explains:Art addresses the human condition. The human condition does include emotions and high passions. But that is far from being all that human life includes. Real people struggle to find meaning, love, and order in a chaotic and cruel world, and this is why art is not defined by shared emotions.
There are no objective ideals in the modern technological world. Lacking ideals people cannot feel the value of freedom so it must be sacrificed to the secular equality of psychological egoistic slavery. Art no longer exists in the modern world of today and its competing expressions.Throughout the ages man has expended a great deal of energy and effort on the creation of beautiful art dedicated to his ideal. He poured forth his heart and soul into forms that honored and represented his meaning and purpose, laboring day and night on projects that took lifetimes to complete. He sacrificed everything to give this world a tiny glimpse of the ideal, a glimmer of perfection, a ray of Beauty to ignite the heart and nourish the soul. Where the ideal is a conscious representation of man’s purpose, art is its emotional counterpart, the fuel that keeps the journey going. Without art there is no energy to pursue the ideal; without the ideal art falls apart into purposelessness.
The state of today is that both the ideal and art have suffered an almost total collapse. Modern political philosophy rests on a single word: growth; modern art is described by a single word: everything. Without a clear conception of Man, we have to suffer the inanities of modern political “issues” that can only be decided by emotion – primarily fear – since those debating lack the moral principles on which to base answers to their questions. Without its moral framework, art has been reduced to base experimentation. In the world of modern art everything goes, everything is permitted, originality being the measure of worth. As the scales of emotion have replaced reason in the political sphere, purposeless sensory exploration has displaced beauty, meaning and morality in art....................
