American election.

[Immanuel Can]

[Who is "the big guy"? Who is even plausibly Hunter Biden's "big guy"?

You and I have different premises.

Red herring again. Have it back: there's enough fishy around here.

Let me pretend to grant you all your premises. Let us pretend it doesn't matter what the press does or doesn't report. Let us pretend we don't know the election was rigged. Let us pretend all your voters voted on policy. Let us imagine that Donald Trump is the paragon of evil. Let us even imagine that the Hunter Biden laptop is not a relevant piece of data as regards the election. Now we're in the realm of total fantasy and mendacity, but I'm going to pretend it all anyway. Let's pretend it's just an idle question with which we are now going to entertain ourselves.

Still, let's answer the question: Who is "the big guy" on Hunter Biden's laptop?

[tillingborn]

[Who is "the big guy"? Who is even plausibly Hunter Biden's "big guy"?

You and I have different premises.

Red herring again. Have it back: there's enough fishy around here.

Let me pretend to grant you all your premises. Let us pretend it doesn't matter what the press does or doesn't report. Let us pretend we don't know the election was rigged. Let us pretend all your voters voted on policy. Let us imagine that Donald Trump is the paragon of evil. Let us even imagine that the Hunter Biden laptop is not a relevant piece of data as regards the election. Now we're in the realm of total fantasy and mendacity, but I'm going to pretend it all anyway. Let's pretend it's just an idle question with which we are now going to entertain ourselves.

Still, let's answer the question: Who is "the big guy" on Hunter Biden's laptop?

I have made my case about the freedom of the press. I think the fact that Fox, Newsmax and OAN have had to retract all allegations against Smartmatic suggests, at least, that claims of voter fraud are exaggerated. It is not my voters in question, it is committed Republicans, Democrats and Independents who I believe vote for policy. Donald Trump is not without flaws, no Christian would suggest he is, but we need not imagine that he is a paragon of evil. As for Hunter Biden's laptop, I have exhausted all hope that you will respect my view and have to content myself with having you think me a liar.

[Immanuel Can]

You and I have different premises.

Red herring again. Have it back: there's enough fishy around here.

Let me pretend to grant you all your premises. Let us pretend it doesn't matter what the press does or doesn't report. Let us pretend we don't know the election was rigged. Let us pretend all your voters voted on policy. Let us imagine that Donald Trump is the paragon of evil. Let us even imagine that the Hunter Biden laptop is not a relevant piece of data as regards the election. Now we're in the realm of total fantasy and mendacity, but I'm going to pretend it all anyway. Let's pretend it's just an idle question with which we are now going to entertain ourselves.

Still, let's answer the question: Who is "the big guy" on Hunter Biden's laptop?

As for Hunter Biden's laptop, I have exhausted all hope that you will respect my view and have to content myself with having you think me a liar.

*Clint Eastwood voice*: "Respect? Respect's got nothing to do with it." Red flippin' herring.

I'll happily respect you when you stop evading and answer the question.

P.S. -- And I did not call you a liar, so red herring again.

[tillingborn]

As for Hunter Biden's laptop, I have exhausted all hope that you will respect my view and have to content myself with having you think me a liar.

*Clint Eastwood voice*: "Respect? Respect's got nothing to do with it." Red flippin' herring.

I'll happily respect you when you stop evading and answer the question.

P.S. -- And I did not call you a liar, so red herring again.

Whether you respect me is neither here nor there, but it is my view that respect for due process matters. How do you know 'the big guy' is Joe Biden?

P.S.

Let us even imagine that the Hunter Biden laptop is not a relevant piece of data as regards the election. Now we're in the realm of total fantasy and mendacity.

[Walker]

Here’s the Big Guy being the Big Guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XBSB1VLIbI


Here’s one of the reasons why they put the Big Guy in the basement until after the election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPig-AllQe8

Here’s your conundrum, should you accept it.

Soon, technology manipulation, from the same realm as voting machine manipulation, will make links to video and audio moot, at least as evidence in a proof.

Then, to communicate what is now in video and audio will require yet another layer of words, and words often end in frustration without advancing knowledge … Frustration. Duhkha. Perfectly understandable, okay, and unnecessary unless conditions require it, the “I Am” and its dualistic foibles being part of every condition ... but I digress into what appears to be personal references, although they actually are not. Another digression, wrathful deities protect what's precious, and in a formal, appropriate setting could be the basis of an explanation.

Or, we can all use emojies.

Don't mind me unless you have to.

[Immanuel Can]

How do you know 'the big guy' is Joe Biden?

No, no...you don't get to flip the question.

I'm asking you who any other plausible candidate would be...somebody to whom Hunter Biden has control of-access, who is "bigger" than HB, and who, we know, joined HB in receiving a sizeable portion of 5 million dollars from foreign governments. If you've got another candidate for that, I'm ready to hear who it would be. But that's the question in hand.

If you have nobody, then who's left, by process of elimination? And if you can't be sure it's NOT Joe Biden, then on what grounds would you insist it's not worth an investigation...or rather, worth five FBI investigations? Whoever "the big guy" is, he's colluded with HB to sell out the US to foreign powers. That much we know for sure.

Doesn't even treason impress you anymore?

[tillingborn]

How do you know 'the big guy' is Joe Biden?

No, no...you don't get to flip the question.

I'm asking you who any other plausible candidate would be...somebody to whom Hunter Biden has control of-access, who is "bigger" than HB, and who, we know, joined HB in receiving a sizeable portion of 5 million dollars from foreign governments. If you've got another candidate for that, I'm ready to hear who it would be. But that's the question in hand.

I have no idea who might be another plausible candidate.

If you have nobody, then who's left, by process of elimination? And if you can't be sure it's NOT Joe Biden, then on what grounds would you insist it's not worth an investigation...or rather, worth five FBI investigations? Whoever "the big guy" is, he's colluded with HB to sell out the US to foreign powers. That much we know for sure.

Doesn't even treason impress you anymore?

Are you aware that treason is a capital offence in the US? Do you think Joe Biden should be executed on the strength of the evidence you have presented?

[Nick_A]

Apparently the question is who did what and if there is enough fraud to justify questioning it.

Some ideas just stand the test of time, or as least should. The idea that we Americans shouldn’t give up our rights for temporary safety is one of those. God help us if we continue to decide otherwise. We’ve been doing it a lot in recent times.

The actual quote from Benjamin Franklin is, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

It has been decided. The goals of Marxism are important enough to warrant fraud and supporting the corrupting efforts of the Big Guy. It is for your own good. Who needs liberty when we can purchase safety and security from the all knowing big government represented by the Big Guy?

A a bunch of deplorables you cannot be expected to understand. You are fortunate that you can be educated. All you have to do is believe, obey, and pay the bills. Your superiors will do the rest.

[Immanuel Can]

I have no idea who might be another plausible candidate.

Right. So we'd best make sure it's not the guy we're trying to put in the presidency. Time for a full public investigation. But I suspect it won't happen; because it will be blocked by the Leftist ideologues.

Are you aware that treason is a capital offence in the US?

All the more reason we should investigate. Apparently, Americans think it's a serious crime that's being committed. If you don't think so, that would be most surprising.

One thing for sure: a man who commits treason should not be rewarded for it by being made president. That's pretty obvious.

[Lacewing]

I have no idea who might be another plausible candidate.

Right. So we'd best make sure it's not the guy we're trying to put in the presidency. Time for a full public investigation. But I suspect it won't happen; because it will be blocked by the Leftist ideologues.

Are you aware that treason is a capital offence in the US?

All the more reason we should investigate. Apparently, Americans think it's a serious crime that's being committed. If you don't think so, that would be most surprising.

One thing for sure: a man who commits treason should not be rewarded for it by being made president. That's pretty obvious.

Politics and fanatically-held religion strangle your intelligence, and replace it with whatever serves you.

[Immanuel Can]

One thing for sure: a man who commits treason should not be rewarded for it by being made president. That's pretty obvious.

Politics and fanatically-held religion strangle your intelligence, and replace it with whatever serves you.

Oh? So you think a man who commits treason SHOULD be rewarded for it by being made president?

Not surprised, really.

[Gary Childress]

One thing for sure: a man who commits treason should not be rewarded for it by being made president. That's pretty obvious.

Politics and fanatically-held religion strangle your intelligence, and replace it with whatever serves you.

Oh? So you think a man who commits treason SHOULD be rewarded for it by being made president?

Not surprised, really.

Do we know that treason was involved or why should we suspect treason? Sounds to me more likely that it might have been "influence peddling".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

[Immanuel Can]

Do we know that treason was involved or why should we suspect treason?

It depends. Was the perp, whoever he turns out to be, taking money to further the interests of a foreign government while he was posing as an agent of the US? That's the sort of fact an investigation should attempt to confirm. Maybe he was only guilty of corruption, and the foreign government had no interest in undermining US interests...maybe.

But do you believe that?

[Gary Childress]

But do you believe that?

Should I assume guilt before the investigation results are made public?

[FlashDangerpants]

But do you believe that?

Should I assume guilt before the investigation results are made public?

You're dealing with mannie here, the rules are quite straight forward. If the subject is somebody to his political left, then any basic innuendo is sufficient to establish murderous guilt. If it is somebody of the right, then there is no form of evidence that can possibly suffice. But never forget that mannie is, by his own admission, completely unbiased, a truly neutral observer with no dog in this fight at all.