advocate envisions what he calls a libertarian fascism: visionaries rule over lesser folks, makin' all important decisions...in this way, the lesser folks (call 'em eloi) are free to pursue whatever they like, free of burden & consequence...the visionaries (call 'em morlock), well, I'm not sure exactly what it is they get out of such an arrangement...
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:04 am
the visionaries (call 'em morlock), well, I'm not sure exactly what it is they get out of such an arrangement...
It's obvious. Money, status and power. They get to remake society in the image they desire. That gives them all three.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:04 am
the visionaries (call 'em morlock), well, I'm not sure exactly what it is they get out of such an arrangement...
It's obvious. Money, status and power. They get to remake society in the image they desire. That gives them all three.
I was thinkin' more eloi tartare, but -- okay -- money, status, & power
advocate envisions what he calls a [i]libertarian fascism[/i]: visionaries rule over lesser folks, makin' all important decisions...in this way, the lesser folks (call 'em [i]eloi[/i]) are free to pursue whatever they like, free of burden & consequence...the visionaries (call 'em [i]morlock[/i]), well, I'm not sure exactly what it is they get out of such an arrangement... 🤭
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The Morlock are the bourgeoisie. The elite are the Eloi. They'll get responsibility and power, hopefully in equal measure.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:04 am
mannie,
advocate envisions what he calls a libertarian fascism: visionaries rule over lesser folks, makin' all important decisions...in this way, the lesser folks (call 'em eloi) are free to pursue whatever they like, free of burden & consequence...the visionaries (call 'em morlock), well, I'm not sure exactly what it is they get out of such an arrangement...
The Morlock are the bourgeoisie. The elite are the Eloi. They'll get responsibility and power, hopefully in equal measure.
if morlock & eloi are equal then they ain't morlock & eloi
advocate envisions what he calls a [i]libertarian fascism[/i]: visionaries rule over lesser folks, makin' all important decisions...in this way, the lesser folks (call 'em [i]eloi[/i]) are free to pursue whatever they like, free of burden & consequence...the visionaries (call 'em [i]morlock[/i]), well, I'm not sure exactly what it is they get out of such an arrangement... 🤭
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The Morlock are the bourgeoisie. The elite are the Eloi. They'll get responsibility and power, hopefully in equal measure.
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if morlock & eloi are equal then they ain't morlock & eloi
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You asked what the Eloi would get, by the wrong name. I'm not comparing them. The Eloi should get power and responsibility in equal measure.
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:31 am
The Morlock are the bourgeoisie. The elite are the Eloi. They'll get responsibility and power, hopefully in equal measure.
if morlock & eloi are equal then they ain't morlock & eloi
You asked what the Eloi would get, by the wrong name. I'm not comparing them. The Eloi should get power and responsibility in equal measure.
seems to me, your libertarian fascism works this way (correct me if I'm wrong): the more capable, more intelligent, more wise (the elite) ought to run the show, while the less capable, less intelligent, less wise live free of worry and want under the governance of those elite
if morlock & eloi are equal then they ain't morlock & eloi
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You asked what the Eloi would get, by the wrong name. I'm not comparing them. The Eloi should get power and responsibility in equal measure.
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seems to me, your libertarian fascism works this way (correct me if I'm wrong): the more capable, more intelligent, more [i]wise[/i] (the elite) ought to run the show, while the less capable, less intelligent, less [i]wise[/i] live free of worry and want under the governance of those elite
is that right?
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That's about right. Also it's important that everyone be enabled to reach their level of capacity.
You asked what the Eloi would get, by the wrong name. I'm not comparing them. The Eloi should get power and responsibility in equal measure.
seems to me, your libertarian fascism works this way (correct me if I'm wrong): the more capable, more intelligent, more wise (the elite) ought to run the show, while the less capable, less intelligent, less wise live free of worry and want under the governance of those elite
is that right?
That's about right. Also it's important that everyone be enabled to reach their level of capacity.
explain, if you like, how the less are to have power and responsibility in equal measure with the more?
seems to me, your libertarian fascism works this way (correct me if I'm wrong): the more capable, more intelligent, more [i]wise[/i] (the elite) ought to run the show, while the less capable, less intelligent, less [i]wise[/i] live free of worry and want under the governance of those elite
is that right?
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That's about right. Also it's important that everyone be enabled to reach their level of capacity.
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explain, if you like, how the [i]less[/i] are to have power and responsibility in equal measure with the [i]more[/i]?
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That's still not what i said. The More should have power and responsibility in equal measure, which has nothing to do with the Less. The Less should have freedom and opportunity in equal measure. If they wish to rise, and if they have the capacity, they should be enabled. If power isn't earned by sufficient criteria, to grant it would be anathema.
That's about right. Also it's important that everyone be enabled to reach their level of capacity.
explain, if you like, how the less are to have power and responsibility in equal measure with the more?
That's still not what i said. The More should have power and responsibility in equal measure, which has nothing to do with the Less. The Less should have freedom and opportunity in equal measure. If they wish to rise, and if they have the capacity, they should be enabled. If power isn't earned by sufficient criteria, to grant it would be anathema.
okay, I get it now
the morlock have power & responsibility which ought be shared equally among them; the eloi have freedom & opportunity which ought to be shared equally among them; any eloi has the opportunity to rise to the ranks of the morlock if he proves himself
explain, if you like, how the [i]less[/i] are to have power and responsibility in equal measure with the [i]more[/i]?
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That's still not what i said. The More should have power and responsibility in equal measure, which has nothing to do with the Less. The Less should have freedom and opportunity in equal measure. If they wish to rise, and if they have the capacity, they should be enabled. If power isn't earned by sufficient criteria, to grant it would be anathema.
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okay, I get it now
the morlock have power & responsibility which ought be shared equally among them; the eloi have freedom & opportunity which ought to be shared equally among them; any eloi has the opportunity to rise to the ranks of the morlock if he proves himself
is that right?
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Yeah, except backward, and i meant each Eloi individually should have that balance. Trololol. Have you actually read The Time Machine?
