What or Who Created Everything??

[Sculptor]

Preaching is proscribed by the forum rules.

Funny that, considering the forum actually provides sub forums, inviting and encouraging the discussion of God / God's and Religion / Religions.

You are not discussing. You are preaching.

[Dontaskme]

Preaching is proscribed by the forum rules.

Funny that, considering the forum actually provides sub forums, inviting and encouraging the discussion of God / God's and Religion / Religions.

You are not discussing. You are preaching.

Says you.

Also you said the question is stupid.

Why would you want to discuss stupid?



Do you want to discuss this subject or not?

My reply to you was how I see reality, how am I supposed to put how I see my reality that is not seen by you as preaching?

I can only discuss what I am seeing.


Preach...to advocate or inculcate (religious or moral truth, right conduct, etc.) in speech or writing.

What the fuck is wrong with that? Isn't that what we are all doing inculcating our knowledge and attempting to get the other person to agree with us, and vice versa, the other person in the discussion is doing the same tactic.

''Preaching'' is such DUMB STUPID word.

[Sculptor]

Funny that, considering the forum actually provides sub forums, inviting and encouraging the discussion of God / God's and Religion / Religions.

You are not discussing. You are preaching.

''Preaching'' is such DUMB STUPID word.

Why do it then?

[Dontaskme]

You are not discussing. You are preaching.

''Preaching'' is such DUMB STUPID word.

Why do it then?

I'm not.

[Lacewing]

God never actually came. He's always been, and never gone.

I AM the great I AM....the child of God, aka Jesus who is really God.

I the great I AM wrote all my own instructions on how to be and not be in the flesh, it's all written recorded as the word of God.

When I follow the instructions with care and attention, the result is exactly what it says in the instructions. I cannot go wrong.

These are all stories.

Why are you suddenly telling stories?

Has something happened to make you need them?

[Dontaskme]

God never actually came. He's always been, and never gone.

I AM the great I AM....the child of God, aka Jesus who is really God.

I the great I AM wrote all my own instructions on how to be and not be in the flesh, it's all written recorded as the word of God.

When I follow the instructions with care and attention, the result is exactly what it says in the instructions. I cannot go wrong.

These are all stories.

Why are you suddenly telling stories?

Has something happened to make you need them?

Yes, all known knowledge is story.

Story only exists within the conceptual ( known) dream of separation, an appearance of no thing, not-a-thing, being everything.

God can only exist in the dream state. The dream state is all that is known.

In the dream I can be bad or good character. And whatever arises within the dream will impact you for the better or for the worse, for the dream is known to be real, though it is just a dream dreamt by no one.

Nothing has happened to me to make me need the story, apart from sometimes forgetting which role I am playing, and so need to look at my personal script...which is just another word for knowledge/aka memory.

There is no God, or me, or anything, except in the conceptually known story within the I am which is unknowable.



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[Dontaskme]

The creation is in separable from the creator. Both are one, not two.

The building of a lego castle constructed of plastic bricks is a known creation of the creator within the same ONE knowing.

I think that's a fairly good answer to the OP question.

It's not a 'someone' that knows, for the 'someone' is known by the only knowing there is which is unknowable.

This message is obviously pointing to the immediate ''knowing'' that cannot be known by that which is known, it's pointing to the oneness that is everything and nothing, all one, all alone.

This ''knowing'' has NEVER known death.

Disclaimer: ...all my posts to the PN forum are made from my own personal imagination, i have no knowledge of anything except what I make up, and then believe what I have made up.

[Dontaskme]

If you say you know...you don't.

The above statement cannot be denied, it is a truth we are uncomfortable with, until you are no longer uncomfortable with.

There is no one that can know anything...you are that no one. All that is known is known by the unknowable.



Disclaimer: ...all my posts to the PN forum are made from my own personal imagination, i have no knowledge of anything except what I make up, and then believe what I have made up.

[psycho]

Hi!

Might there NOT be a what or a who?

We never witness the creation of anything. We notice the changes that occur to the things we distinguish.

When the carpenter transforms a branch into a chair, we say that he created a chair. But the basic elements of the branch are still in the chair.

We have no reason to believe that the elements of this universe have been created by something or someone.

Based on our experience, we could perhaps consider what or who modified these elements so that they have the configurations that we distinguish.

Might the apparent manifestation of all, be beyond human comprehension?

For me, understanding is distinguishing the causal relationships between elements of reality. No. I believe that we will only be able to understand a small range of those relationships.

Might that be why humans can only imagine gods?

In my opinion, we created the idea of ​​God to anthropomorphize reality and thus have in it an interlocutor with whom we could negotiate our needs.

Can we know? Do we need to know?

Yes. We know. We put together concepts that have a good approximation to reality. Enough correspondence to be effective agents within it. When we are not effective agents, we perish.

Would "knowing"... change what we do?

Yes. Knowing makes us effective.

Regards.