death with dignity

[Belinda]

here's the thing: granny might not wanna go

Well, what do her caregivers have to say about that? Did she save up to pay for her care... or does she expect everyone to lose their homes and go into debt to keep her plugged in somewhere?

wait, have we moved the conversation away from assisted suicide and over to the economics of keepin' old folks alive?

did I miss sumthin'?

All legislation for doctor assisted dying contain adequate safeguards so
terminally ill people do not want to die sooner simply because
they fear they are burdensome. You can easily google what these legal safeguards actually say.

[henry quirk]

Perhaps if it was for the right reasons, but it's so self-serving and disingenuous. You want your govt. to spend tax money only on things YOU approve of. Well there are more than 300 million other people with different viewpoints to consider. It seems to me that the only things you object to YOUR taxes being spent on are those that might make life a bit more comfortable for others (not to mention your own, when it suits you).

pretty much I don't want my gov to spend a dime on anything cuz I want my gov to be so small it barely exists

see, I think the billions of dollars my gov rakes in ever year ought to stay with the folks who actually earned it

seems to me, the bread earner controls the bread

but, of course, I'm just bein' selfish, and actin' waaay too big for my britches

I should be grateful for my large, powerful gov that does so much for so many...thank god for you, veg, for keepin' me in line, for openin' my eyes, for remindin' me of how things oughta be

[Belinda]

Perhaps if it was for the right reasons, but it's so self-serving and disingenuous. You want your govt. to spend tax money only on things YOU approve of. Well there are more than 300 million other people with different viewpoints to consider. It seems to me that the only things you object to YOUR taxes being spent on are those that might make life a bit more comfortable for others (not to mention your own, when it suits you).

pretty much I don't want my gov to spend a dime on anything cuz I want my gov to be so small it barely exists

see, I think the billions of dollars my gov rakes in ever year ought to stay with the folks who actually earned it

seems to me, the bread earner controls the bread

but, of course, I'm just bein' selfish, and actin' waaay too big for my britches

Do you also believe the government should be so small that it can't force people to defend their country?

[henry quirk]

Perhaps if it was for the right reasons, but it's so self-serving and disingenuous. You want your govt. to spend tax money only on things YOU approve of. Well there are more than 300 million other people with different viewpoints to consider. It seems to me that the only things you object to YOUR taxes being spent on are those that might make life a bit more comfortable for others (not to mention your own, when it suits you).

pretty much I don't want my gov to spend a dime on anything cuz I want my gov to be so small it barely exists

see, I think the billions of dollars my gov rakes in ever year ought to stay with the folks who actually earned it

seems to me, the bread earner controls the bread

but, of course, I'm just bein' selfish, and actin' waaay too big for my britches

Do you also believe the government should be so small that it can't force people to defend their country?

seems to me: if a country is worth defendin', then its citizens will

today, in 'murica, there is no draft

[Belinda]

Perhaps if it was for the right reasons, but it's so self-serving and disingenuous. You want your govt. to spend tax money only on things YOU approve of. Well there are more than 300 million other people with different viewpoints to consider. It seems to me that the only things you object to YOUR taxes being spent on are those that might make life a bit more comfortable for others (not to mention your own, when it suits you).

pretty much I don't want my gov to spend a dime on anything cuz I want my gov to be so small it barely exists

see, I think the billions of dollars my gov rakes in ever year ought to stay with the folks who actually earned it

seems to me, the bread earner controls the bread

but, of course, I'm just bein' selfish, and actin' waaay too big for my britches

Do you also believe the government should be so small that it can't force people to defend their country?

seems to me: if a country is worth defendin', then its citizens will

today, in 'murica, there is no draft

That sort of optimism, Henry, is unsafe. You are too optimistic about human nature.

[henry quirk]

You are too optimistic about human nature.

sure, that's it, B...you & veg, you two chicks, what would I do without yer insight, yer wisdom? you gals are the tops

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are too optimistic about human nature.

sure, that's it, B...you & veg, you two chicks, what would I do without yer insight, yer wisdom? you gals are the tops

Condescending weasel.

[henry quirk]

You are too optimistic about human nature.

sure, that's it, B...you & veg, you two chicks, what would I do without yer insight, yer wisdom? you gals are the tops

Condescending weasel.

I always thought I was more of a condescending giant south american anteater

[Advocate]

[quote="henry quirk" post_id=484097 time=1607611680 user_id=472]
[quote=vegetariantaxidermy post_id=484077 time=1607598945 user_id=8006]
[quote="henry quirk" post_id=484076 time=1607597623 user_id=472]
[b]You are too optimistic about human nature.[/b]

sure, that's it, B...you & veg, you two chicks, what would I do without yer insight, yer wisdom? you gals are the tops
[/quote]

Condescending weasel.
[/quote]

I always thought I was more of a condescending giant south american anteater
[/quote]

Since we're completely off topic now, I'm a condescending preying panda. Don't be mantisist!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You are too optimistic about human nature.

sure, that's it, B...you & veg, you two chicks, what would I do without yer insight, yer wisdom? you gals are the tops

Condescending weasel.

I always thought I was more of a condescending giant south american anteater

Well your ridiculous vision of your 'utopia' is completely unworkable and goes entirely against human nature and evolution. Humans don't WANT to live like that because it's dangerous and miserable, when they want to be comfortable and happy. They want to see their children grow past the age of one. They want help when they are sick and in pain. It MIGHT work if there were only about ten people on the planet, and they EACH had their own country, and they all had superhuman abilities and could live entirely self-sufficiently. Then you could sit there all alone with your big gun, paranoid and completely insane, repeating the word 'freedom' ad infinitum with no one to hear it (which means that, for all intents and purposes, you wouldn't actually exist)...

[henry quirk]

Condescending weasel.

I always thought I was more of a condescending giant south american anteater

Well your ridiculous vision of your 'utopia' is completely unworkable and goes entirely against human nature and evolution. Humans don't WANT to live like that because it's dangerous and miserable, when they want to be comfortable and happy. They want to see their children grow past the age of one. They want help when they are sick and in pain. It MIGHT work if there were only about ten people on the planet, and they EACH had their own country. Then you could sit there all alone with your big gun, paranoid and completely insane, repeating the word 'freedom' ad infinitum with no one to hear it (which means that for all intents and purposes you wouldn't actuallly exist)...

as usual, yer right, veg

my utopia of self-directin', self-reliant, self-responsible men & women: a dangerous pipe-dream

as you astutely point out: self-direction is not man's nature...to follow, to be led, to be leashed: this is man's nature...comfortable in a cage: where man belongs

I grieve that I am defective, incapable of bein' the submissive cog I'm meant to be

really, I need to be stopped...I'm an infection, a pernicious disease, and I need to be eliminated

I'm weak...I can't stop myself...for the love of god, somebody stop me before I self-direct again!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I always thought I was more of a condescending giant south american anteater

Well your ridiculous vision of your 'utopia' is completely unworkable and goes entirely against human nature and evolution. Humans don't WANT to live like that because it's dangerous and miserable, when they want to be comfortable and happy. They want to see their children grow past the age of one. They want help when they are sick and in pain. It MIGHT work if there were only about ten people on the planet, and they EACH had their own country. Then you could sit there all alone with your big gun, paranoid and completely insane, repeating the word 'freedom' ad infinitum with no one to hear it (which means that for all intents and purposes you wouldn't actuallly exist)...

as usual, yer right, veg

my utopia of self-directin', self-reliant, self-responsible men & women: a dangerous pipe-dream

as you astutely point out: self-direction is not man's nature...to follow, to be led, to be leashed: this is man's nature...comfortable in a cage: where man belongs

I grieve that I am defective, incapable of bein' the submissive cog I'm meant to be

really, I need to be stopped...I'm an infection, a pernicious disease, and I need to be eliminated

I'm weak...I can't stop myself...for the love of god, somebody stop me before I self-direct again!

Yet you have never actually described this 'utopia' or how it would work. Too stupid to see that it's the 'neo-lib' type of govts. that you seem to love that are the more draconian ones, with diminished 'freedoms'.

Sarcasm won't make your 'argument' any more compelling.
You are talking in weaselly nonsense-speak. 'Leashed'. 'In a cage'. 'Self-responsible'. What the fuck do those even mean? I don't feel 'leashed', or 'in a cage' and never have. Not sure what 'self-responsible' means, but I'm pretty sure I'm that too.
At the moment we have the best of all worlds, but thanks to an Aussie fuckwad we are about to lose a huge chunk of our 'freedom' thanks to a wokie govt. that is desperate to pander to the demands of muslim immigrants, and wants to punish the entire population for its own cock-ups.

RIP free speech.

[henry quirk]

Yet you have never actually described this 'utopia' or how it would work.

I wouldn't try to describe it...how free people choose to organize themselves can lead to a whole whack of different outcomes

as for how it would work: take three simple principles...

*a man belongs to himself

*a man's life, liberty, and property are his

*a man's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

...and turn people loose


Too stupid to see that it's the 'neo-lib' type of govts. that you seem to love that are the more draconian ones, with diminished 'freedoms'.

which govs are those, veg? which govs do I love?


Sarcasm won't make your 'argument' any more compelling.

wasn't makin' an argument; was mockin' you...great fun!


thanks to an Aussie fuckwad we are about to lose a huge chunk of our 'freedom' thanks to a wokie govt. that is desperate to pander to the demands of muslim immigrants, and wants to punish the entire population for its own cock-ups.

they only do what you allow


RIP free speech.

must not mean all that much to you if you let it go without a fight

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Yet you have never actually described this 'utopia' or how it would work.

I wouldn't try to describe it...how free people choose to organize themselves can lead to a whole whack of different outcomes

as for how it would work: take three simple principles...

*a man belongs to himself

*a man's life, liberty, and property are his

*a man's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property

...and turn people loose


Too stupid to see that it's the 'neo-lib' type of govts. that you seem to love that are the more draconian ones, with diminished 'freedoms'.

which govs are those, veg? which govs do I love?


Sarcasm won't make your 'argument' any more compelling.

wasn't makin' an argument; was mockin' you...great fun!


thanks to an Aussie fuckwad we are about to lose a huge chunk of our 'freedom' thanks to a wokie govt. that is desperate to pander to the demands of muslim immigrants, and wants to punish the entire population for its own cock-ups.

they only do what you allow


RIP free speech.

must not mean all that much to you if you let it go without a fight

Oooh, humans 'turned loose'. What a comforting thought. Humans have such a wonderful track record...
How would you know what I'm doing? If you mean have I turned into Boadicea with a flaming chariot, rallying the masses then no. I'm a private person and no one would follow me anyway...

I won't be 'allowed' to criticise islam or any other religion soon so I will say it now. Fuck islam and fuck its followers coming here and dictating to the govt. what laws to put in place to supposedly 'protect' them, and using a shooting to emotionally blackmail the govt. into giving them what they want. We already have laws that make it illegal to go around shooting people and inciting violence. The ONLY possible reason for extra 'hate speech' laws is to kill free speech and prevent ANYONE from voicing an opinion that doesn't conform with the WOKE manifesto! It's about control and nothing else.

And kindly desist from comparing me to that warmongering loon Belinda.

[Advocate]

[quote=vegetariantaxidermy post_id=484191 time=1607640758 user_id=8006]
[quote="henry quirk" post_id=484184 time=1607637284 user_id=472]
[b]Yet you have never actually described this 'utopia' or how it would work.[/b]

I wouldn't try to describe it...how free people choose to organize themselves can lead to a whole whack of different outcomes

as for how it would work: take three simple principles...

[i]*a man belongs to himself

*a man's life, liberty, and property are his

*a man's life, liberty, or property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property[/i]

...and turn people loose


[b]Too stupid to see that it's the 'neo-lib' type of govts. that you seem to love that are the more draconian ones, with diminished 'freedoms'.[/b]

which govs are those, veg? which govs do I love?


[b]Sarcasm won't make your 'argument' any more compelling.[/b]

wasn't makin' an argument; was mockin' you...great fun!


[b]thanks to an Aussie fuckwad we are about to lose a huge chunk of our 'freedom' thanks to a wokie govt. that is desperate to pander to the demands of muslim immigrants, and wants to punish the entire population for its own cock-ups.[/b]

they only do what you allow


[b]RIP free speech.[/b]

must not mean all that much to you if you let it go without a fight
[/quote]

Oooh, humans 'turned loose'. What a comforting thought. Humans have such a wonderful track record...
How would you know what I'm doing? If you mean have I turned into Boadicea with a flaming chariot, rallying the masses then no. I'm a private person and no one would follow me anyway...

I won't be 'allowed' to criticise islam or any other religion soon so I will say it now. Fuck islam and fuck its followers coming here and dictating to the govt. what laws to put in place to supposedly 'protect' them, and using a shooting to emotionally blackmail the govt. into giving them what they want. We already have laws that make it illegal to go around shooting people and inciting violence. The ONLY possible reason for extra 'hate speech' laws is to kill free speech and prevent ANYONE from voicing an opinion that doesn't conform with the WOKE manifesto! It's about control and nothing else.

And kindly desist from comparing me to that warmongering loon Belinda.
[/quote]

What almost all libertarians miss is that we WERE "turned loose" in all the ways they seem to want, and we formed societies and governments to get away from that nasty, brutish lifestyle.