What or Who Created Everything??

[Age]

Might there NOT be a what or a who?

This is a question for those only who do not already KNOW thee answer.

Might the apparent manifestation of all, be beyond human comprehension?

This is a question for peoples in a day and age when they have not yet evolved enough to already KNOW thee answer.

Might that be why humans can only imagine gods?

WHY do you PRESUME that, forever more, human beings can ONLY "imagine gods"?

Can we know?

Do we need to know?

No.

Would "knowing"... change what we do?

Yes. Human beings, like ALL life can NOT stop changing.

Once human beings have evolved enough to learn and KNOW who AND what created everything, then they will most certainly change what they do, for the better.

[Dontaskme]

Would you want or need this?

Yes. I don't know about "need", necessarily -- but I have gratitude for the experience and opportunity to see what can be done/created.

I'm a fence sitter. What-ever the mood comes over me is what I feel. Sometimes I feel overwhelmed with love, sometimes I feel nothing, and sometimes I feel utter hatred for life. And I also know those feelings are not who I am.

I thought we were asking a question of that which has awareness to ask and answer the question.

Yes, you are right to say...
The nothingness is within awareness of course it is. Experiencing something beats nothing, yes of course, I understand now. We can only know life, not death.

I don't think love is a thing that "exists" (so-to-speak) -- rather, it is something that can be uniquely experienced and felt. In addition to naturally feeling love for beings, nature, and life -- many times I have experienced being suddenly and inexplicably filled with such an immense surge of love for nothing in particular, that it feels like I shall surely burst.

Again, I'm a fence sitter. I'm pretty sure love is the glue that makes unbearable life more bearable. And is what makes life seek it's continuity.

I do not equate the words/ideas Love and God. Rather, I think all ideas and experiences are possible/accessible... and it seems that love (and other feelings) are powerful vibrations/drivers/forces within that vastly creative space of energy.

It is quite possible that: Our vibration creates our reality, regardless of all else; and if our reality feels like crap, it is our vibration that creates and sustains that.

Our vibration creates our reality in the immediate moment, but in my experience, our personal perceptions can change in a heartbeat from positive to negative. I just think it's ok to feel what we feel, and that it doesn't matter how we react in any moment, because our nature is kneejerk reactive anyway. We are programmed to be reactive. In the sense we cannot know how we are going to feel from moment to moment.

I don't buy the we are our vibration idea. I happen to believe that who we are as a ''personality'' never changes and just happens to be stamped out for us upon the day of our birth. Like why are some people good and gentle and sensitive people, while others are evil and vile psychopaths. Sometimes my life feels like crap, and I hate everything about being alive, even though I am very aware, that I am intrinsically a good and moral person with a sensitive heart.

I'm also on the fence alot, when it comes to pondering the idea of God. I so want God to be real, but I can only believe, and somedays I do believe, and some days I don't.

Now if every human being was like the Jesus character, then life would be absolute perfection and euphoric. But so far, in my experience as a human, I have never met another human being alive today that can match the exemplary attributes and characteristics of Jesus ..and so until they are able to match up. My optimism for the future of humanity is rather bleak.

[Lacewing]

Now if every human being was like the Jesus character, then life would be absolute perfection and euphoric. But so far, in my experience as a human, I have never met another human being alive today that can match the exemplary attributes and characteristics of Jesus ..and so until they are able to match up. My optimism for the future of humanity is rather bleak.

Our civilization may vanish as others have. Perhaps human civilizations are "group experiments", of our own making. There is always a vast range of potential, however, within our particular experience -- including some extraordinary beings and some amazing paths to create through it all. Just as in the supposed time of Jesus, there were a lot of blind people and rigid/limited paths.

What would perfection look like?

What is required for euphoria?

[Dontaskme]

What would perfection look like?

Being like Jesus.

What is required for euphoria?

Being like Jesus.

[Dontaskme]

If we can't be like Jesus. The human life is not worth having, being like the devil is just too high a price to pay...not worth it. And so I'd rather be dead, in the realm of non-existence...aka perfect utopia.

If we're going to want/dare to dream, lets make it a good one, not a nightmare.

[Lacewing]

What would perfection look like?

Being like Jesus.

What is required for euphoria?

Being like Jesus.

So you believe that the Universe is so limited and imperfect as it is?

[Lacewing]

If we can't be like Jesus. The human life is not worth having, being like the devil is just too high a price to pay...not worth it.

Hmm... okay, that's what you think. Interesting how your viewpoint absolves you from even trying to move beyond where you are now. You can claim that your rigidity is because there's no point and nothing worth it.

[Sculptor]

Says you, the cynical.

It's a valid question.

You can know 2=2=4 by learning that. And you would not be able to know 2+2=4 if it was not already a fact. 2+2=4 is a fact whether you have learnt it or not.


It's not your knowledge, the knowledge is already available else you wouldn't know anything.

The question is...who knows?

It's a metaphorical philosophy, whether it's a meaningless philosophical question is irrelevant.

You take it for granted that you are the knower....but you do not know who is the knower...all that is known is the known...not the knower.

Your example is not empirical.
THe question is empirical.
What we do know is that no one knows when or if the universe began, and no one will ever know if it had an origin. The idea that it was a "who" is beyond stupid.

The 'who' is still a valid question in the context of what the function of language dictates to us, we use it to be able to understand and learn things about ourselves. You do not have to get all pedantic over this.

Who are YOU? ...did you create yourself, or did langauge create you. And what is language, etc etc..

These are the questions hardly ever questioned, except in philosophy by philosophers ... the ones who want to know deeper rooted meanings, those who seek...perhaps.

But do continue to be padantic if that's what gives you a buzz.

If the thread is stupid or irrelevant then fine, no one is forcing you to accept it.

The thread question is stupid and I shall continue to point out its flaws.
If you want to ignore the obvious and that gives you a buzz, then that's fine by me.

[Dontaskme]

Your example is not empirical.
THe question is empirical.
What we do know is that no one knows when or if the universe began, and no one will ever know if it had an origin. The idea that it was a "who" is beyond stupid.

The 'who' is still a valid question in the context of what the function of language dictates to us, we use it to be able to understand and learn things about ourselves. You do not have to get all pedantic over this.

Who are YOU? ...did you create yourself, or did langauge create you. And what is language, etc etc..

These are the questions hardly ever questioned, except in philosophy by philosophers ... the ones who want to know deeper rooted meanings, those who seek...perhaps.

But do continue to be padantic if that's what gives you a buzz.

If the thread is stupid or irrelevant then fine, no one is forcing you to accept it.

The thread question is stupid and I shall continue to point out its flaws.
If you want to ignore the obvious and that gives you a buzz, then that's fine by me.

If you want to believe the thread question is stupid then I'm fine with that. But I don't believe it is, so it matters not for me. I simply don't care.

[Dontaskme]

What would perfection look like?

Being like Jesus.

What is required for euphoria?

Being like Jesus.

So you believe that the Universe is so limited and imperfect as it is?

I believe Jesus. And follow only him.

[Dontaskme]

If we can't be like Jesus. The human life is not worth having, being like the devil is just too high a price to pay...not worth it.

Hmm... okay, that's what you think. Interesting how your viewpoint absolves you from even trying to move beyond where you are now. You can claim that your rigidity is because there's no point and nothing worth it.

I'm always where I am. And where I am is where I am supposed to be.

And yes, if humans cannot be like Jesus, then for me personally, human life is not worth living.

[Sculptor]

The 'who' is still a valid question in the context of what the function of language dictates to us, we use it to be able to understand and learn things about ourselves. You do not have to get all pedantic over this.

Who are YOU? ...did you create yourself, or did langauge create you. And what is language, etc etc..

These are the questions hardly ever questioned, except in philosophy by philosophers ... the ones who want to know deeper rooted meanings, those who seek...perhaps.

But do continue to be padantic if that's what gives you a buzz.

If the thread is stupid or irrelevant then fine, no one is forcing you to accept it.

The thread question is stupid and I shall continue to point out its flaws.
If you want to ignore the obvious and that gives you a buzz, then that's fine by me.

If you want to believe the thread question is stupid then I'm fine with that. But I don't believe it is, so it matters not for me. I simply don't care.

I realise that you do not care to have a rational discussion.
"Who" implies a personality.
How do you think this makes sense?
Oh you don't - you prefer to reproduce the childish anthropomorphisms of humanity's primitive savages.
Aside from that you are also assuming that the universe was created. Sadly this is a NON question, since the universe is by definition everything,for some other thing to create the universe is self defeating.

[Dontaskme]

The thread question is stupid and I shall continue to point out its flaws.
If you want to ignore the obvious and that gives you a buzz, then that's fine by me.

If you want to believe the thread question is stupid then I'm fine with that. But I don't believe it is, so it matters not for me. I simply don't care.

I realise that you do not care to have a rational discussion.
"Who" implies a personality.
How do you think this makes sense?
Oh you don't - you prefer to reproduce the childish anthropomorphisms of humanity's primitive savages.
Aside from that you are also assuming that the universe was created. Sadly this is a NON question, since the universe is by definition everything,for some other thing to create the universe is self defeating.

You are right Sculptor , this thread is stupid. As are most if not all my threads are.

Never mind, Jesus lives in and through me, so nothing really matters, except what really matters.

Sadly this is a NON question, since the universe is by definition everything,for some other thing to create the universe is self defeating.

Thanks for filling in the blank. That's all that was requested. One cannot fill in for itself, for one does not have to show up to it's own show.

[Sculptor]

If you want to believe the thread question is stupid then I'm fine with that. But I don't believe it is, so it matters not for me. I simply don't care.

I realise that you do not care to have a rational discussion.
"Who" implies a personality.
How do you think this makes sense?
Oh you don't - you prefer to reproduce the childish anthropomorphisms of humanity's primitive savages.
Aside from that you are also assuming that the universe was created. Sadly this is a NON question, since the universe is by definition everything,for some other thing to create the universe is self defeating.

You are right Sculptor , this thread is stupid. As are most if not all my threads are.

Never mind, Jesus lives in and through me, so nothing really matters, except what really matters.

Sadly this is a NON question, since the universe is by definition everything,for some other thing to create the universe is self defeating.

Thanks for filling in the blank. That's all that was requested. One cannot fill in for itself, for one does not have to show up to it's own show.

Why not talk to Jesus about it?
Jesus: When you pray - he's the guy who you are ignored by.

[attofishpi]

Never mind, Jesus lives in and through me, so nothing really matters, except what really matters.

I'm not sure if that means U R off yer meds or U are on yer meds.