American election.

[Walker]

Sharyl Attkisson is a well-respected, independent journalist who walked away from the networks over the corruption of journalism.

Nine minutes worth hearing.
TED talk.

How Real Is Fake News? | Sharyl Attkisson | TEDxUniversityofNevada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQcCIzjz9_s

[tillingborn]

* btw: I read that pushing a narrative is the new journalism being taught and demanded in the profession

Can you quote what you read? Or cite, or provide a link?

You're right. Journalists are taught that objectivity is simply impossible, so we should not even aspire to have any. In fact, aspiring to be objective is taken as naive and pretentious, rather than what it really is -- the only ideal that keeps journalism on track at all; so that no matter how far short we may happen to fall of it, we must not abandon striving to approximate it better, and of using it to judge the biases of journalists and condemn them.

I wonder if, when you assert what journalists are taught, you have any first hand knowledge of this. It is a very bold claim to make about an entire industry, and as someone who thinks people who are not being objective are legitimate targets for condemnation, what facts can you share to substantiate your beliefs?

So instead, journalism prides itself on being rather overtly biased and "perspectival."

We all have to be careful about processing journalism. What steps do you take to ensure your sources aren't perspectival?

[Walker]

Can you quote what you read? Or cite, or provide a link?

I purposely did not.

Google the proper words and you’ll find lots of information. Take your pick and assess what you find.

We all have to be careful about processing journalism. What steps do you take to ensure your sources aren't perspectival?

What steps do you take?

[Ansiktsburk]

Any americans here? Would be interested in an analysis of the recent election as such and the current state of the proceedings, as seen from a position of an american that can claim to fully appreciate the ifs and buts for Democrats as well as Republicans, the motivations in the light of the perceived situation and state for US and for US in the world. What really happened in the elections and what is going on?

[Immanuel Can]

I wonder if, when you assert what journalists are taught, you have any first hand knowledge of this. It is a very bold claim to make about an entire industry, and as someone who thinks people who are not being objective are legitimate targets for condemnation, what facts can you share to substantiate your beliefs?

Suffice to say, I have read more, had more experience and studied this more intensively than most people have, and so have much more specialized knowledge. But my specific personal background, I choose not to share here. I don't present my person as a reason to believe me: ad hominem arguments aren't relevant anyway.

What steps do you take to ensure your sources aren't perspectival?

There are some steps we can all take, but I have to admit that we're up against it today.

The MSM has pretty much "gone over to the dark side," I'm afraid. But keeping an eye on alternate news sources is always a good idea. Reading opinions from both sides is, of course, just common sense. Data is more reliable than interpretations. Numbers are good, because they can be checked. First-hand testimony beats hearsay and editorializing. Things like candid, unedited video are more likely to give you an impartial view than, say, prepared and edited video. And you've got to question a lot of what you hear and see, and not take for granted that the first thing you hear, or the thing you hear most, is automatically closer to truth.

That takes effort. And that's what the MSM is counting on: that people will become tired of being critical and reflective for themselves, and not bother to look up data or alternate views or check the evidence as presented. Unfortunately, they're probably right: most people have neither time nor interest to be critical of what they read, view or hear.

So we're waging a losing battle, in all likelihood. But we don't have to lose it right away. And we don't have to lose it in every case...which is exactly what will happen if we just capitulate to the version of "truth" sold by a mass media that, by testimony of its professional trainers, no longer believes in objectivity at all.

[henry quirk]

Any americans here? Would be interested in an analysis of the recent election as such and the current state of the proceedings, as seen from a position of an american that can claim to fully appreciate the ifs and buts for Democrats as well as Republicans, the motivations in the light of the perceived situation and state for US and for US in the world. What really happened in the elections and what is going on?

I'm 'murican: go for it

[Impenitent]

https://news.yahoo.com/texas-sues-four- ... 30054.html

the leftists cheated

utopia on the way

-Imp

[Immanuel Can]

the leftists cheated

I believe we all know that now. I think even the most ardent Leftists know it...they just wanted to excuse it, because it was "for the right cause," as they saw it, and "with the right outcome" as they wanted it.

But there's something more important to all Americans than party politics: the basic integrity of the system itself. And if that cannot be corrected and assured, then both parties and the entire democratic electorate of the US are doomed anyway. Democracy is done. We all know it has become a sham.

So it seems to me that any American should welcome the chance for a full disclosure of what has and has not been done, and an absolute decision for either Trump or Biden...followed by systematic reforms to prevent anything like has been done in the last election from ever happening to either party again.

[commonsense]

Can you quote what you read? Or cite, or provide a link?

I purposely did not.

Google the proper words and you’ll find lots of information. Take your pick and assess what you find.

We all have to be careful about processing journalism. What steps do you take to ensure your sources aren't perspectival?

What steps do you take?

It should come as no surprise that mainstream news organizations are skewed to a leftward perspective. Rich people, including rich conservatives, invest in profitable enterprises.

[henry quirk]

Any americans here? Would be interested in an analysis of the recent election as such and the current state of the proceedings, as seen from a position of an american that can claim to fully appreciate the ifs and buts for Democrats as well as Republicans, the motivations in the light of the perceived situation and state for US and for US in the world. What really happened in the elections and what is going on?

I'm 'murican: go for it

I misunderstood your intent...only after re-readin' did it click you weren't offerin' an analysis to 'muricans, you want an analysis from an 'murican

I'm not the guy for this...I'm biased...but, what the hell...

mainly, what is alleged is, first, a multi-state violation of state legislative plenary power, and, second, out & out fraud by way of falsified ballots and hinky voting machines

current state of things: suits are bein' filed & dismissed & appealed...some will end up before the supreme court...in particular, texas is suing specifically on the grounds of a plenary power violation (one of the few kinds of complaint the SC can take directly [the SC is an appeals courts...normally folks have to go thru a looong series of hearings, in multiple courts, before even bein' considered to appear before the nine...not so with alleged violations of plenary power])

as a peculiar kind of libertarian, I can only guess at the motivations of dems & repubs so, bear that in mind when I say: dems in power have big plans & ORANGE MAN screwed that pooch 4 years ago; repubs in power -- for all their talk -- are no more fond of ORANGE MAN than the dems...'muricans, on the other hand, are not nearly so opposed to ORANGE MAN and, I believe, gave him the necessary electoral votes to keep the Big Chair for another 4 years...this is intolerable to the powers that be on both state & federal levels hence, I believe, a grand attempt was made to circumvent voters

I also believe, apart from what may happen in the SC, when electors meet on the 14th, a number will become faithless and vote for ORANGE MAN, and some will abstain completely...I believe smokin' joe, come the end of the 14th, will not have the necessary votes to claim the Big Chair...I believe the whole mess will ultimately find its way to the house of reps where ORANGE MAN will be awarded another 4 years

other 'muricans in-forum may see things differently

[Walker]

If that happens it will be worth the price of admission.

[henry quirk]

If that happens it will be worth the price of admission.

and, if it doesn't: there's always the shooty box

[Immanuel Can]

Here it is, Folks.

The evidence the Left has been saying "doesn't exist" for the theft of the election.

It's aaaaaalll here. Have fun.

https://hereistheevidence.com

[commonsense]

Ansiktsburk,

I’m an American who sees things differently than HC. In fact most things that Henry asserts, I deny.

Obviously, if you want to know what’s really going on, you just have to discern what’s fantasy and what’s real.

Imagine all the statements or claims about the American election were being spoken to you. Which speaker sounds like he’s more desperate in attempting to convince you that his account is actual. He’s the one who’s making things up.

Consider which account is convoluted, which account is simpler. Did the election take place amid deception or was the election conducted legally? The simpler explanation of events is the likelier explanation.

Does one account consist of cooperation in misconduct on a horrendous scale? Does one account indicate that the election proceeded in accordance with historically non-controversial elections in the past. One account is peddling lies.

Once you’ve decided issues like these, you will have arrived at your personal reality. To determine whether your version occurred or not, the best you can do is to accept the more rational.

[henry quirk]

Here it is, Folks.

The evidence the Left has been saying "doesn't exist" for the theft of the election.

It's aaaaaalll here. Have fun.

https://hereistheevidence.com

don't hold yer breathe that any of the anti-fraudists will even click on the link

edited to remove an unkindness