Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight.

[Immanuel Can]

I believe in the Resurrection:

You can know other people are being born when you die as a human.

That's not what I mean. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Leaves die, deposit their temporal transient existence into a compost below which is used as fodder for the next leaf, and the cycle of the leaf continues on and on. This is self evident as witnessed.

And you fancy yourself to be a mouldy leaf?

how can a temporal witness possibly know eternity IC ?

How about if God Himself told you it was so?

[Immanuel Can]

Life does not care about you, only you care, only you can save yourself from the suffering of a non-caring cold unintelligent stupid dumb universe.

I realize this is the Atheist perspective. Unfortunately for you, you can't "save yourself" from it at all. You will suffer if the universe so ordains, and you will most certainly perish, as will everything about you. So far as the evolutionary universe is concerned, your "caring" is of absolutely no consequence, and this entire cosmos is bound to end in final heat death, with all energy equally dispersed forever.

And if you think through the Materialist, Atheist or Evolutionist cosmos to its logical end, you know that's how it's going to be.

[Dontaskme]

DAM: You can know other people are being born when you die as a human.

That's not what I mean. I have no idea what you're talking about.

You said: I believe in the Resurrection:

I'm saying people are dying and while people die, people are being born off the back of death, and that the born are birthed from the dead stuff, like a recycling sort of process. That's how I understand the concept of resurrection.

What do you mean by resurrection? if you mean Jesus has risen from the dead, then where is his physical body now?

And you fancy yourself to be a mouldy leaf?

I was just using this analogy to illustrate the cyclic nature of organic matter.

how can a temporal witness possibly know eternity IC ?

How about if God Himself told you it was so?

But now we are back to square one. .Jesus the man is the image of the invisible God. Jesus tells us that we live forever eternal.

When we know that's not true, we know living organisms do not live eternally, for example: if my human body lived eternally, where the heck was my human body in the time the dinosaurs walked the earth for 165 million years?

...also, where is my human mother ? she died like Jesus did, so why has she not been risen from the dead like Jesus, why isn't she here with me now sharing a morning cup of tea with me?


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[Dontaskme]

Life does not care about you, only you care, only you can save yourself from the suffering of a non-caring cold unintelligent stupid dumb universe.

I realize this is the Atheist perspective.

Not really, I do not think about the idea of there being a non-believing entity of some supreme creator of the universe. One would have to be a believer of such to negate the idea. I don't believe in fictional characters. All I can know is that I am and that's it, that's all I can know.
I know I am aware of what's happening on this earth, coming from a position of self evident observation, where I am able to witness the carnage, chaos, pain and suffering that occurs to all sentient creatures, which is incapable of being denied, it's an insufferable torture for most humans and animals. Humans are animals, lets not forget that. This is not the work of an intelligent creator.

Unfortunately for you, you can't "save yourself" from it at all. You will suffer if the universe so ordains, and you will most certainly perish, as will everything about you.

Well that's just about the best news I've heard all day. Why I just cannot wait for everything about me to perish forever, I can't think of anything more blissful. Beats the crap of having to endure the hell hole that is sentient life on earth forever eternal. So bring it on.

So far as the evolutionary universe is concerned, your "caring" is of absolutely no consequence, and this entire cosmos is bound to end in final heat death, with all energy equally dispersed forever.

Well at least we can agree on something.

And if you think through the Materialist, Atheist or Evolutionist cosmos to its logical end, you know that's how it's going to be.

Well of course, it's self evident that no-thing lasts forever, it's just a logical conclusion. Nothing lasts forever, we can know that, we can see and experience the negative losing game that is our temporal transient life on earth, with our own eyes.

So what's all this eternal life you keep telling us about? ... how illogical can you get IC ?

[Dontaskme]

Now it's not imagined that creatures die, and that they are born rearrangements of all the materials of the dead creatures. So are you saying that is what God is?

I have no idea what this sentence is even supposed to imply. It's rather convoluted and indirect, at best. And it's in passive voice, so doesn't even tell us who is doing the "imagining" of which you speak. I have no idea where your "dead creatures" that "rearrange" come from. And I have no idea how you're logically connecting any of that to God.

Sorry. You're going to have to "keep this simple," as you suggested.

I am keeping it simple. It's you that cannot read the simple mind, perhaps you are looking for the complicated, which is not in my vocabulary, so sorry about that. Do you ever communicate or listen to the stories that young children of 4-5 year olds talk about? have you ever replied to them by saying things like... your views are convoluted and indirect at best?

[Dontaskme]

...according to your belief, he is the image of God, which means God is dead.

Non sequitur. You're going to have to explain how that follows.

You said, Jesus is the image of the invisible God. But then we all know that Jesus died, he's a human, humans die, so that must conclude that God who is really Jesus who has died, must mean that God is also dead. Why is that difficult for you to follow?

Because it's common knowledge that human beings die...

As indeed did Christ, for three days. But as a Christian, I believe in the Resurrection:

Then explain what you mean by resurrection?

"So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to repent, because He has set a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people by raising Him from the dead.” (Acts 17:30-31)

These blue words explain nothing of what is meant by resurrection.

[Dontaskme]

As less significant but still important factor after those main two is to figure out is to how to refer to people's traditions and cultures that can be respected without offending ones' emotional psyche.

I have no respect whatsoever for people who believe that fictional characters are real things. I have no time for the ignorance of most human belief structures.

When we know full well that every living thing that is born, is destined to die, that is a fact, and so I really think people should just accept this and stop fearing something that is never in their control, unless of course they suicide.

The who they were as an experiencer of life on earth will not be coming back from the dead ever again. Why people need to make up these ridiculous stories about resurrection and eternal life is just so mind numbingly boring and stupid. People really need to stop being so offended by death, it really is (OK TO DIE) really it is.

Dear God, just to let you know that I never wanted this stupid idea of yours in the first place, so please do not resuscitate me, please, i'm begging ya! you can keep your horror show all to yourself, please don't include me in it, I do not want to be just another one of your dumb stupid monsters.

[Immanuel Can]

That's how I understand the concept of resurrection.

Your conception is neither mine, nor the conception of the Bible.

It's evident to me you haven't read the biblical account at all. Perhaps I can recommend that you do. It will save you having to ask questions like:

What do you mean by resurrection? if you mean Jesus has risen from the dead, then where is his physical body now?

Jesus tells us that we live forever eternal. When we know that's not true, we know living organisms do not live eternally,

If you read what the Bible says about "resurrection," you'll understand that it is not talking about that at all.

There's a gap in your knowledge that needs to be filled here, before you and I can discuss this cogently. Here's a start, though...
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don ... rt_129.cfm

[Dontaskme]

That's how I understand the concept of resurrection.

Your conception is neither mine, nor the conception of the Bible.

It's evident to me you haven't read the biblical account at all. Perhaps I can recommend that you do. It will save you having to ask questions like:

What do you mean by resurrection? if you mean Jesus has risen from the dead, then where is his physical body now?

Jesus tells us that we live forever eternal. When we know that's not true, we know living organisms do not live eternally,

If you read what the Bible says about "resurrection," you'll understand that it is not talking about that at all.

There's a gap in your knowledge that needs to be filled here, before you and I can discuss this cogently. Here's a start, though...
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don ... rt_129.cfm

IC..all I am trying to make aware in you is to explain what you mean by certain concepts in your own words, for example, imagine you were the only person that was alive, what would the thought ''resurrection'' mean to you?

If you say to me that resurrection means what it says in the bible, then what good are those definitions, when I'm asking for what it means to you personally. Or are you just going to read what it means that was written by someone else, and just believe that, and then say that's what it means.

I'm asking you to think about it yourself, is that too much to ask?

[Immanuel Can]

There's a gap in your knowledge that needs to be filled here, before you and I can discuss this cogently. Here's a start, though...
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don ... rt_129.cfm

IC..all I am trying to make aware in you is to explain what you mean by certain concepts in your own words,

You can't say "what I mean." You don't know. That's what I'm explaining to you.

Now, I see that maybe you don't want to know, you just want to argue without knowing. So I'll just leave you with that. You can choose to fill in your knowledge, or you can choose not to. I have no say about that; that's up to you.

[Dontaskme]

There's a gap in your knowledge that needs to be filled here, before you and I can discuss this cogently. Here's a start, though...
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don ... rt_129.cfm

IC..all I am trying to make aware in you is to explain what you mean by certain concepts in your own words,

You can't say "what I mean." You don't know. That's what I'm explaining to you.

Now, I see that maybe you don't want to know, you just want to argue without knowing. So I'll just leave you with that. You can choose to fill in your knowledge, or you can choose not to. I have no say about that; that's up to you.

The link is a story written by imagination. It's just put in a different way to the way I described with my leaf analogy.

The many stories appear to be all different, many authors appear here, but there is only one reader of these many stories that are saying the same thing just differently.

It's all fictional story IC ... the only real here is the pure emptiness in which the fiction is known.

Just keep on believing whatever you want IC..it's you're prerogative, whatever gets you through your piece of dynamite dream of a life.

It's all going to go boom, no matter how you wish otherwise. You can only know nothing. And the nothing is another word for boom.

[Dontaskme]

You can't say "what I mean." You don't know. That's what I'm explaining to you.

Now, I see that maybe you don't want to know, you just want to argue without knowing. So I'll just leave you with that. You can choose to fill in your knowledge, or you can choose not to. I have no say about that; that's up to you.

Now I see. Thanks for nothing I.C.


Christians seek eternal life, buddhists seek to escape it.

Have lots of fun on the broken roller coaster ride, if you dare. Dare to dare I.C

But it's not for me.

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[Walker]

Now you should sincerely thank IC for exercising the patience of Job in tolerating insincere nonsense.

I think there's a limit to indulging bad intent.

[Dontaskme]

Now you should sincerely thank IC for exercising the patience of Job in tolerating insincere nonsense.

I think there's a limit to indulging bad intent.

I think you should shut your fat fucking face and stop being a super sized A hole.

I already know I.C. is a gentleman, I've already said this to his face.

So fuck off you stupid whore to your deluded beliefs.

[Walker]

Charming.

You obviously lack the capacity for gratitude.

You might want to start there with your self-improvement program.