Giving up religious practice is the only true path to freedom and peace.

[Dontaskme]

Such a free man is not in conflict with society any more. He is not antisocial, not at war with the world; he sees that it can't be any the different. He doesn't want to change society at all; the demand for change has ceased. Any doing in any direction is violence. Any effort is violence. Anything you do with thought to create a peaceful state of mind is using force, and so, is violent. Such an approach is absurd. You are trying to enforce peace through violence. Yoga, meditations, prayers, mantras, are all violent techniques. The living organism is very peaceful; you don't have to do a thing.

True peace and freedom ONLY at zero point. You are nothing being everything, what more is there to want or need.

[Lacewing]

Such a free man is not in conflict with society any more. He is not antisocial, not at war with the world; he sees that it can't be any the different. He doesn't want to change society at all; the demand for change has ceased. Any doing in any direction is violence. Any effort is violence. Anything you do with thought to create a peaceful state of mind is using force, and so, is violent. Such an approach is absurd. You are trying to enforce peace through violence. Yoga, meditations, prayers, mantras, are all violent techniques. The living organism is very peaceful; you don't have to do a thing.

True peace and freedom ONLY at zero point. You are nothing being everything, what more is there to want or need.

Who is that quote by?

Any doing in any direction is violence. Any effort is violence.

These statements from the quote sound extreme.

The living organism is very peaceful; you don't have to do a thing.

But humans naturally DO things... they are creators... often beautifully so. Defining such a thing as violent seems violent! Doesn't it?

[Dontaskme]

Such a free man is not in conflict with society any more. He is not antisocial, not at war with the world; he sees that it can't be any the different. He doesn't want to change society at all; the demand for change has ceased. Any doing in any direction is violence. Any effort is violence. Anything you do with thought to create a peaceful state of mind is using force, and so, is violent. Such an approach is absurd. You are trying to enforce peace through violence. Yoga, meditations, prayers, mantras, are all violent techniques. The living organism is very peaceful; you don't have to do a thing.

True peace and freedom ONLY at zero point. You are nothing being everything, what more is there to want or need.

Who is that quote by?

Any doing in any direction is violence. Any effort is violence.

These statements from the quote sound extreme.

The living organism is very peaceful; you don't have to do a thing.

But humans naturally DO things... they are creators... often beautifully so. Defining such a thing as violent seems violent! Doesn't it?

Violent is just another word for FORCE

Being is not forced, being is effortless.

The being that is in deep dreamless sleep is effortlessly peaceful. Nothing need be done to attain the naturally occuring peace of the body.

''This is beautiful'' or ''this is ugly'' is just a mental perception that is not really here/there. Something is ugly because it's not beautiful, and something is beautiful because it's not ugly. In reality, there is nothing beautiful or ugly except the perception perceived in NO perceiver.

[Lacewing]

Violent is just another word for FORCE

Words are tricky. Someone could say that a raging river is a force. And yet, that's still natural and effortless.

I was truly interested to know who the quote was by?

[Dontaskme]

Violent is just another word for FORCE

Words are tricky. Someone could say that a raging river is a force. And yet, that's still natural and effortless.

Yes but the point is there is nothing - not-a-thing forcing the force that is nature. That there is an enforcing entity that is believed to exist that feels like it is the one in control of it's life, is only a false belief. Raging rivers DO NOT KNOW anything. Knowledge only points to the illusory nature of reality in that it really is UNKNOWABLE...except what conceptual knowledge informs, a knowledge that is made up purely out of nothing- not-a-thing.

I was truly interested to know who the quote was by?

Oh yeah sorry...it was from a guy called U.G. Krishnamurti ..he's dead now, but was known by his followers as the gangster guru, although he hated the thought of being called a guru.

He's known to have said....''My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody.

U.G.''


I personally happen to resonate and agree with most if not all of what came spewing out of UG's mouth.


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[Lacewing]

Violent is just another word for FORCE

Words are tricky. Someone could say that a raging river is a force. And yet, that's still natural and effortless.

Yes but the point is there is nothing - not-a-thing forcing the force that is nature. That there is an enforcing entity that is believed to exist that feels like it is the one in control of it's life, is only a false belief. Raging rivers DO NOT KNOW anything. Knowledge only points to the illusory nature of reality in that it really is UNKNOWABLE...except what conceptual knowledge informs, a knowledge that is made up purely out of nothing- not-a-thing.

I see what you're saying... I'm just not so sure there is truly a distinguishable difference. It all seems natural to me (even the one who "thinks" it knows)... and I don't think we actually know what "knows" or doesn't... or what is forced or cooperative in the bigger picture... how much do we make up?

Oh yeah sorry...it was from a guy called U.G. Krishnamurti ..he's dead now, but was known by his followers as the gangster guru, although he hated the thought of being called a guru.

I'm unfamiliar with him. I've read J. Krishnamurti, whose insights I like although sometimes he seems angry.

[Dontaskme]

I see what you're saying... I'm just not so sure there is truly a distinguishable difference. It all seems natural to me (even the one who "thinks" it knows)... and I don't think we actually know what "knows" or doesn't... or what is forced or cooperative in the bigger picture... how much do we make up?

Everything is made up of nothing. ''Nothing'' is just another word for something. In essence, something is a non-conceptualised concept, empty at it's core, as there is nothing to make something from. Behind every ''something'' there is an emptiness in which the ''something'' appears, but the apparent two concepts are inseparably one and the same two. Therefore, all somethings are just an appearance of nothings. The emptiness behind the fullness is the fullness which in reality has nothing to cling to, so the fullness is only an illusory appearance of the emptiness. In other words, all things are made up from the same empty place they are appearing in, namely, the emptiness itself.

In reality, there really is nothing happening here, just like in a dream. Although it does appear to be the opposite, in that the dream does appear to be very real to the senses.

The human brain is a robot, it's a borg, programmed by what the senses are informing it, and as it is informed it reacts in accordance to it's particular programme, according to the brains particular subroutine that it has been conditioned to play out since it's birth.

The human being is a biological robot.

I'm unfamiliar with him. I've read J. Krishnamurti, whose insights I like although sometimes he seems angry.

Anger is common emotion in sentient creatures. Doesn't really mean anything sinister, it's just a build up of energy seeking release from the tension of not being in harmony with the natural flow of being.

[Lacewing]

Everything is made up of nothing. ''Nothing'' is just another word for something. In essence, something is a non-conceptualised concept, empty at it's core, as there is nothing to make something from. Behind every ''something'' there is an emptiness in which the ''something'' appears, but the apparent two concepts are inseparably one and the same two. Therefore, all somethings are just an appearance of nothings. The emptiness behind the fullness is the fullness which in reality has nothing to cling to, so the fullness is only an illusory appearance of the emptiness. In other words, all things are made up from the same empty place they are appearing in, namely, the emptiness itself.

In reality, there really is nothing happening here, just like in a dream. Although it does appear to be the opposite, in that the dream does appear to be very real to the senses.

The human brain is a robot, it's a borg, programmed by what the senses are informing it, and as it is informed it reacts in accordance to it's particular programme, according to the brains particular subroutine that it has been conditioned to play out since it's birth.

The human being is a biological robot.

How do you "know" all of this?

I'm unfamiliar with him. I've read J. Krishnamurti, whose insights I like although sometimes he seems angry.

Anger is common emotion in sentient creatures. Doesn't really mean anything sinister, it's just a build up of energy seeking release from the tension of not being in harmony with the natural flow of being.

I see it as drama on a stage... and not something I expect in a book written about being beyond that. I also saw Deepak Chopra get angry during an interview or lecture he was giving about avoiding anger.

[Dontaskme]

Everything is made up of nothing. ''Nothing'' is just another word for something. In essence, something is a non-conceptualised concept, empty at it's core, as there is nothing to make something from. Behind every ''something'' there is an emptiness in which the ''something'' appears, but the apparent two concepts are inseparably one and the same two. Therefore, all somethings are just an appearance of nothings. The emptiness behind the fullness is the fullness which in reality has nothing to cling to, so the fullness is only an illusory appearance of the emptiness. In other words, all things are made up from the same empty place they are appearing in, namely, the emptiness itself.

In reality, there really is nothing happening here, just like in a dream. Although it does appear to be the opposite, in that the dream does appear to be very real to the senses.

The human brain is a robot, it's a borg, programmed by what the senses are informing it, and as it is informed it reacts in accordance to it's particular programme, according to the brains particular subroutine that it has been conditioned to play out since it's birth.

The human being is a biological robot.

How do you "know" all of this?

I know it all from what I make up in my imagination. I am aware I am aware, and that's all I know from direct experience. But then everything else is just what comes out of my thought train...aka what's commonly known as the mind. In other words what I think and write about is my personal story that I believe to be true. This does not mean it is true for someone else, it's just true in my experience.
It's how I personally think about reality.

I'm unfamiliar with him. I've read J. Krishnamurti, whose insights I like
I see it as drama on a stage... and not something I expect in a book written about being beyond that. I also saw Deepak Chopra get angry during an interview or lecture he was giving about avoiding anger.

This is why I would never write a book about the SELF and what it is or isn't. What is written in books by others is always from their personal perspective and experience, which I know will and can only be a personal belief according to the one experiencing the story that they are writing...it won't be everyones experience. For me, only your OWN experience is real and true for you.



There is just no way to avoid any emotion at all. I do not like books that inform me there is a way to avoid something.