How could you be happy in Heaven when your loved one are in hell?

[bahman]

As it is stated.

[attofishpi]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

[henry quirk]

I wouldn't be, so I reckon I'd have to go and fetch 'em

[Hermit Philosopher]

As it is stated.

Dear bahman

I interpret your question in a few different ways. Could you clarify how you mean, please? Are any of below options “correct”?

How can I be happy when:
a) My loved ones and I are dead, but I’m in “heaven” and they are in ”hell”?
b) I am dead [in heaven], but my loved ones are alive [in hell]?
c) I am alive [in heaven], but my loved ones are dead and in “hell”?
d) My loved ones and I are alive, but I am at peace and they are in turmoil?

Humbly
Hermit

[Walker]

After vows before witnesses and God, one could not because happiness then is defined as living by the vows.

For better or worse, for best or worst.

Peace of mind does not require pre-vow happiness.

If you care to look you'll know that many lifetime partners both die only months if not days apart. The first follows the second and the evidence suggests there's not much choice to it.

[Skip]

I don't think anyone who deserves heaven could be happy in heaven as long as anybody's in hell. Surely, no decent human can condone the idea of hell! Annihilation, maybe, but --- eternal torment?!?

[gaffo]

you cant.

excellent question - and moral one as well.

--------YHWH could just give all souls in eaven lobotomies - and mkae them zombies and so not care i guess.

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your question links to one i've asked for te last 20 yrs - why can't retrobates in Hell repents and affirm YHEH and so saved from Hell, and go to Heaven?

assuming man has an immoral soul - where the most lucky live to 90 or so - what is 90 yr compared to immortality - so whay limite repentance to one small sliver of existance and refuse it for the other 99.999999999999999 existnace of the soul?

- and what of the babies - the 4 yrs old and younger than never knew God nor were born again? - they just burn for ever in hell?

[gaffo]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

So you never loved an Athist? - if you lovd your dad, but he was sent to hell for his unbeleif, you would be fine with that - you sitting up in heaven?

you would be fine with him repenting from hell crying to your god to give him repreive - and your god rfusing to do so?

explain how you would be fine with that.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

According to Allah of Islam, ALL non-Muslims will go to hell to be burnt eternally.

According to Christianity, ALL non-Christians, i.e. those who did not surrender to Jesus as son of God will go to hell.

Surely among the >5 billion alive and dead non-Christians there are a great % who are not evil at all and a great many who are extremely good human beings, e.g. Gandhi, the Dalai Lama and others. You insist they don't deserve loving at all??

What is obvious is when God is claimed to be real and is omni-whatever, e.g. omnibenevolent, then we have issue in this case where the pieces cannot fit in the jigsaw-puzzle of reality. Then theists will resort to twist and turn [cut the corners of the pieces] to force fit square-pegs in round holes.

However, if God is truly recognized as an illusion from psychological reasons to soothe an inherent existential crisis, then we can easily fit all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of reality easily.

[bahman]

As it is stated.

Dear bahman

I interpret your question in a few different ways. Could you clarify how you mean, please? Are any of below options “correct”?

How can I be happy when:
a) My loved ones and I are dead, but I’m in “heaven” and they are in ”hell”?
b) I am dead [in heaven], but my loved ones are alive [in hell]?
c) I am alive [in heaven], but my loved ones are dead and in “hell”?
d) My loved ones and I are alive, but I am at peace and they are in turmoil?

Humbly
Hermit

I mean if my loved ones and I are dead, but I’m in “heaven” and they are in ”hell”.

[Hermit Philosopher]

I mean if my loved ones and I are dead, but I’m in “heaven” and they are in ”hell”.

Hello bahman,
thank you for clarifying your OP.

Though some do speak of “burning in eternal hell” in an afterlife, it is not uncommon - when at all speaking of it as a place and not as a state of consciousness, that is - to view “being in Hell” as a temporary transition-period, where a soul experiences all the suffering it contributed to whiles embodied on earth, in order to wilfully understand and repent and thereby be able to (re)ascend to Heaven, where all souls originally belong.

From that point of view I’d have to say that if my child for instance, had led an evil life, contributing to much suffering in others and had died without ever understanding or repenting the damage they had caused, they would have to go through Hell to ever get to Heaven, yes.

But, valid to your question is this: if Heaven is a condition where the soul dwells in peace, and we assume that souls maintain their individuality in Heaven in an afterlife (I don’t believe that btw, but let’s see where this takes us), I could not per definition be in Heaven (i.e. at peace), knowing that my child had led an evil life, contributing to the suffering of others without understanding or repenting the damage they caused.

As their parent, I will partly have been responsible for how they turned out and even if in my lifetime I had come to understand and repent my role in that, and therefore not gone to hell in death but rather in life; I would dwell in hell again when they themselves were suffering through it.

And that, I suppose would be like “burning in eternal hell”...

Good thing I don’t believe that souls retain their individuality in Heaven then!

Humbly
Hermit

[attofishpi]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

So you never loved an Athist? - if you lovd your dad, but he was sent to hell for his unbeleif, you would be fine with that - you sitting up in heaven?

Why is my Daddddy going to hell gaffo? - he doesn't believe there is a God - he is a short sighted moron as well.

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD YOU ARE GOING TO HELL?

[attofishpi]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

According to Allah of Islam, ALL non-Muslims will go to hell to be burnt eternally.

According to Christianity, ALL non-Christians, i.e. those who did not surrender to Jesus as son of God will go to hell.

YOU again - another fucking short sighted moron atheist.

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY IF YOU DON"T SURRENDER TO JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD YOU ARE GOING TO HELL?

FFS.

[gaffo]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

So you never loved an Athist? - if you lovd your dad, but he was sent to hell for his unbeleif, you would be fine with that - you sitting up in heaven?

Why is my Daddddy going to hell gaffo? - he doesn't believe there is a God - he is a short sighted moron as well.

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD YOU ARE GOING TO HELL?

all through the bible, sp the NT, if you do not affirm Chrsit as God/God's son......you go to hell.

including Ghandi


you claim the mandate to affirm christ as god in not in the bible? and if you do not you go to hell?

that is not my reading.

provide from the bible that i am wrong on this.

BTW i hope i am, being an Athiest - i have no wish to burn forever.................but the texts are clear i shall.

[gaffo]

Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

According to Allah of Islam, ALL non-Muslims will go to hell to be burnt eternally.

According to Christianity, ALL non-Christians, i.e. those who did not surrender to Jesus as son of God will go to hell.

yep. I shall burn forever - even when i die and find myself in Hell. and than know God is real.

I shall repent, but of no avail.

born to burn forever - for my actions on earth -a short sliver of time - though as an immoral soul.

of what value is an immortal sould if its actions are of value only in the time allottted here on earth...........no actions as a soul in hte post life mattters to God..............lovely.

as there is no reason for God to give men an immortal souls - except for his preasure to see us burn forever - regardless of us repenting to Him from Hell.


lovely.