American election.

[Immanuel Can]

Apparently, he thinks climate denial and pushing petroleum consumption ought to be considered high crimes against humanity and Trump is outright evil. I hope for everyone's sake he is wrong.

Chomsky? Yeah.

He's given to very extreme rhetoric. But he's moved from issue to issue, never diminishing the language of urgency...as if everything he fears is the final apocalypse. Of course, none of them ever turns out to be.

"Climate denial"? The very term rules against any protest. I think a better way to speak is, "What are the reasons for observable changes in climate?" and until that question is answered scientifically, rather than merely ramped-up rhetorically, I think we ought to go cautiously. If it turns out that climate is in some sort of crisis we can reverse, then that's a very important issue: too important to allow us to indulge in rhetoric.

"Petroleum consumption"...that's hard to say. I think few people are even remotely aware of how petroleum based we actually are. All our plastics for example, are made that way. And computers...these Big Resetters are so keen on new technology, but the very technologies they praise as our saviours are petroleum dependent. Something's not right there either. The anti-petroliumers are being pretty hypocritical. If we need to get rid of petroleum, then we would need to make our lives very, very different from anything we've known since the Industrial Revolution. And I don't think that's what the Great Resetters have in mind at all.

Also, I've never really understood the "Trump is Hitler" meme. I'm not a fan, and I don't benefit in any way from his doings -- the opposite, very likely, since I don't live in his country -- but I see nowhere near enough warrant for concern. I know all about Hitler, and there's really no comparison...it's not just hyperbole that's the problem: it's unbelievable historical ignorance. As for the guy himself, it seems to me he's mostly a pragmatist, mostly a media figure; and you have to admit he's had some unbelievable successes...the wall, the peace agreements, the destruction of ISIS, the economy, and the elimination of foreign wars among them. (Why the Leftists aren't happy with those things is a mystery to me, since all three were things that the Obama-Clinton admins were also promising at one time, but were unable to deliver. I can only think that politics in your country has ceased to be about policy and country at all, and has become all about party.) But none of that really has anything to do with me, so I'm quite content to let it go.

I remember somebody telling me about the difference between a "politician" and a "statesman." A politician is somebody who campaigns for his seat and his party only. A statesman is somebody who campaigns for whatever is best for his country, no matter which party is involved. What we need is more statesmen and fewer politicians. But I can't foresee that happening anytime soon.

For now, we ought to keep a wary eye on all politicians...but an even warier eye on anyone who is NOT elected, and yet wants to set the agenda for our future anyway.

[henry quirk]

I've never really understood the "Trump is Hitler" meme.

me neither

as I say: I have a somewhat keener alarm for intrusions on and violations of liberty than most, and in ORANGE MAN's 4 years he's done nuthin' I can see to deprive any soul of autonomy

peckerheads bleat about his bein' fascistic but never say what he's done exactly that is tyrannical

best I can tell: all of the freedom-bluntin' comes from the anti-ORANGE MAN crowd

[vegetariantaxidermy]

BLACK LIVES TRULY DO MATTER!


90% of the 'black' vote went to Biden.

So the entire REST of the (intelligent) world can sigh in relief that those that were once worked to their bones, just DITCHED another white piece of crap megalomaniac.

I expect the wokies here to get on your case for 'categorising' people as 'black'. (I won't be holding my breath though).
Who the hell cares what colour voters are? How fucking racist.

That is fucking hilarious synchronicity right there - go check the other thread where I just compared U to a racist for labeling people! (as in wokies)

I stated 'black' - that is how most of them see themselves - I don't agree with it, hence the quotes - I have already stated on this forum - I HAVE NEVER MET A BLACK PERSON OR A WHITE PERSON.

Yeah right. And you didn't put WHITE in 'quotes', or megalomaniac. Is megalomaniac not a label?...

[Immanuel Can]

peckerheads bleat about his bein' fascistic but never say what he's done exactly that is tyrannical

Yeah, I know.

What you get back from them is, "How can you defend him?" but nothing specific. They say, "He's a pervert." But he's got nothing on Clinton. They say, "He's a racist." But they've got nothing on that, either. What they end up saying is, "He tweets all the time."

Um...yeah...so?

I mean, he's not "my guy." I have neither reason nor possibility of voting for him, or for anybody else. But I can't figure out where the hatred's coming from. Nothing they ever mention adds up to anything.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

peckerheads bleat about his bein' fascistic but never say what he's done exactly that is tyrannical

Yeah, I know.

What you get back from them is, "How can you defend him?" but nothing specific. They say, "He's a pervert." But he's got nothing on Clinton. They say, "He's a racist." But they've got nothing on that, either. What they end up saying is, "He tweets all the time."

Um...yeah...so?

I mean, he's not "my guy." I have neither reason nor possibility of voting for him, or for anybody else. But I can't figure out where the hatred's coming from. Nothing they ever mention adds up to anything.

Totally agree with that. The hatred is WAY out of proportion and completely irrational. The power of the media and rampant wokism....

[commonsense]

BOTH sides need to look in the mirror before complaining about their opposition.

[Immanuel Can]

BOTH sides need to look in the mirror before complaining about their opposition.

I agree.

I really think we need a much higher grade of political candidate than we've been getting...in many countries. And the fact that they can go with such low-grade guys tells you that the real wielders of power can't possibly be the guy in front. Something really sketchy is going on.

[Walker]

Here's a look at both sides.

D.J. Trump was under unfair, set-up hostile investigation for five years, at the cost of tens of millions, and came up clean as a choir boy. He was framed and beat the charges with truth.

If merit were the criterion, President Trump would have the Nobel Peace Prize for the middle east, the Nobel Prize for Economics, and the Nobel Prize for Medicine.

If merit were the criterion, Biden would be in jail for corruption.

When Obama heard that he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, he said, "For what?"

[vegetariantaxidermy]

When Obama heard that he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, he said, "For what?"

For attacking Syria and blowing up children.

[Immanuel Can]

If merit were the criterion, President Trump would have the Nobel Peace Prize for the middle east, the Nobel Prize for Economics, and the Nobel Prize for Medicine.

I've got to admit, the first two make sense, at the very least. The Mideast thing...that's pretty big stuff, by any metric. Nobody's been able to make a dent in that region for decades...and even then, it was just Camp David, which really ended up not being much.

If merit were the criterion, Biden would be in jail for corruption.

I don't get that. Why don't we all know, by now, what's on Hunter Biden's laptop? Information wants to be free, they say. Why doesn't it want to be free about Hunter Biden's laptop?

And how can a purported "head of state" candidate publicly laugh about how the interfered with the Ukrainians anti-corruption investigation and got the lead investigator fired in order to protect his son, by threatening to withhold American international aid? How can such a guy still be a candidate?

I mean, where's the justice system? And why aren't the media reporting this stuff? Are there no standards at all?

[Walker]

The swamp just isn't a word. The media is part of it.

Going into the election a lot of people had not even heard about the laptop, just as folks don't hear many scientists say that lockdowns are more harmful than not.

They're saving Hunter in case Biden gets elected. That scandal is an extra option to get rid of Biden and seat Harris as the president. Biden is a career hack. Harris is a radical.

[commonsense]

Here's a look at both sides.

D.J. Trump was under unfair, set-up hostile investigation for five years, at the cost of tens of millions, and came up clean as a choir boy. He was framed and beat the charges with truth.

If merit were the criterion, President Trump would have the Nobel Peace Prize for the middle east, the Nobel Prize for Economics, and the Nobel Prize for Medicine.

If merit were the criterion, Biden would be in jail for corruption.

When Obama heard that he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, he said, "For what?"

So you prefer the one-sided view. Shall we call you narrow-minded?

[Immanuel Can]

The swamp just isn't a word. The media is part of it.

Going into the election a lot of people had not even heard about the laptop, just as folks don't hear many scientists say that lockdowns are more harmful than not.

They're saving Hunter in case Biden gets elected. That scandal is an extra option to get rid of Biden and seat Harris as the president. Biden is a career hack. Harris is a radical.

Oh, interesting. So you think they might use the laptop to decapitate their own Presidency, and enthrone a candidate nobody would vote for?

Wow. That's cold, if it's true.

[Walker]

I agree with Immanuel Can's cogent, factual presentation of the "other side."

Two sides can often be stripped down to good vs. evil.

[Walker]

The swamp just isn't a word. The media is part of it.

Going into the election a lot of people had not even heard about the laptop, just as folks don't hear many scientists say that lockdowns are more harmful than not.

They're saving Hunter in case Biden gets elected. That scandal is an extra option to get rid of Biden and seat Harris as the president. Biden is a career hack. Harris is a radical.

Oh, interesting. So you think they might use the laptop to decapitate their own Presidency, and enthrone a candidate nobody would vote for?

Wow. That's cold, if it's true.

Elitists, the slavers, have fewer limitations than the fair-minded folks who just want to go about their business, unmolested.