American election.

[Immanuel Can]

... return media to the idea of impartiality,

Well if they did that, Fox News would have to straighten up their act as much as any of the other channels. I doubt the people at Fox News would agree to that.

The whole bunch of them need to become reacquainted with the idea of impartiality. They've all lost the track, and become partisan advocates instead. But it's really no legitimate role of the news to influence opinion. Their legitimate job is only to inform it, and to hold all the powers-that-be, on both sides, accountable to the public. At least, that's the role of the fifth estate in democratic polities.

They've lost that vision. And maybe they're incapable of getting it back. If that's the case, then the second-best solution is simply this: to increase the number of outlets and voices until none of them is even particularly or uniquely credible anymore, and people have to sift for themselves. A million small news outlets are less of a problem then a couple of monolithic, deliberately-manipulative ones, and in this way, all fact, big and small, important and trivial, left and right, can end up out on the table somewhere.

But letting large agencies control the public awareness of the truth or lie with impunity...that's a recipe for destroying democracy.

[henry quirk]

You may be generalizing me with others who have consistently behaved that way.

you're right...a post of yours, from august, isn't, I think, all that great, but it was, like a great many of your ORANGE MAN posts, a response and not a nasty screed

it seems I did, in my memory, jam you in with, mistake you for, others

my apologies

[commonsense]

Apology accepted.

[henry quirk]

Apology accepted.

rare event in this place: an apology & the acceptance of an apology

[commonsense]

Apology accepted.

rare event in this place: an apology & the acceptance of an apology

That’s right. You and I are rare treasures.

[henry quirk]

Apology accepted.

rare event in this place: an apology & the acceptance of an apology

That’s right. You and I are rare treasures.

nah...you're the treasure...me: I'm just dross...a filthy ORANGE MAN voter, envious of my betters

my fate is set: once houseplant & whore take the Big Chair, I'll get shuffled off to be re-educated

gotta say, that'll be a relief...my head is full of wrong-thinkin'

natural rights and free will and autonomy and ownness and deism have netted me nuthin' but grief

lobotomize me so that I may fully embrace democracy and determinism and moral anti-realism...scrape my frontal lobes clean of direct realism and moral intuition and god...free me from freedom

I'll wear the leash like a good dog

[commonsense]

Kudos for using dross in a sentence!

[henry quirk]

Kudos for using dross in a sentence!

it was in the reader's digest

[commonsense]

it's time to... return media to the idea of impartiality...

Two stories. Who’s the aggressor and who’s the victim?

1. Wolf Attacks Child. A big bad wolf, posing as Little Red Riding Hood’s loving grandmother, attempted to eat Little Red during a failed ambush plot. The bad wolf had already made quick work of devouring a meal of grandma’s flesh. There was no way to tell what other cruelty was on the wolf’s mind. There have been no other reports of wolf terrorism as of yet, however extreme caution is advised.

2. Riding Hood Says Wolves Are Mean. While traveling alone and unprepared in a wooded area known to serve as habitat to families of wolves, Hood claims to have encountered a hungry wolf. According to Hood, the wolf was unarmed at the time of the encounter. The wolf was surprised by Hood’s advance, as evidenced by the wolf’s dilated azure eyes.

Two news outlets can report the same incident with two different slants on the story.

[Immanuel Can]

it's time to... return media to the idea of impartiality...

Two stories....

Sorry, CS. The point is obscure to me.

The legitimate role of reporting is to eliminate the adjectives and value-judgments as much as is humanly possible, and to report the salient facts in as dispassionate a matter as possible. That's what impartiality implies...not to "take the part" of any agent in the situation.

So a proper report would read something like, "A ten-year-old girl was eaten by a wolf on Friday, while attempting to reach her grandmother's house." All facts, no spin is the ideal for which the news agency should be striving.

[commonsense]

it's time to... return media to the idea of impartiality...

Two stories....

Sorry, CS. The point is obscure to me.

The legitimate role of reporting is to eliminate the adjectives and value-judgments as much as is humanly possible, and to report the salient facts in as dispassionate a matter as possible. That's what impartiality implies...not to "take the part" of any agent in the situation.

So a proper report would read something like, "A ten-year-old girl was eaten by a wolf on Friday, while attempting to reach her grandmother's house." All facts, no spin is the ideal for which the news agency should be striving.

I was offering 2 bad examples with different agendae.

I should have just stated my position instead of posting the unclear examples.

[Impenitent]

it's time to... return media to the idea of impartiality...

Two stories. Who’s the aggressor and who’s the victim?

1. Wolf Attacks Child. A big bad wolf, posing as Little Red Riding Hood’s loving grandmother, attempted to eat Little Red during a failed ambush plot. The bad wolf had already made quick work of devouring a meal of grandma’s flesh. There was no way to tell what other cruelty was on the wolf’s mind. There have been no other reports of wolf terrorism as of yet, however extreme caution is advised.

2. Riding Hood Says Wolves Are Mean. While traveling alone and unprepared in a wooded area known to serve as habitat to families of wolves, Hood claims to have encountered a hungry wolf. According to Hood, the wolf was unarmed at the time of the encounter. The wolf was surprised by Hood’s advance, as evidenced by the wolf’s dilated azure eyes.

Two news outlets can report the same incident with two different slants on the story.

the wolf will attack, vote for socialist schmucko for salvation

utopia

-Imp

[Immanuel Can]

I should have just stated my position instead of posting the unclear examples.

No, no...it's okay.

I just asked for the clarification, and got it. No problem.

[commonsense]

I should have just stated my position instead of posting the unclear examples.

No, no...it's okay.

I just asked for the clarification, and got it. No problem.

Cool.

[gaffo]

It’s also time for all of us to put on our grownup garb and reach out to each other with a handshake of cooperation.

Before all that, it's time to fix a clearly broken electoral system by nationalizing and standardizing it, return media to the idea of impartiality, break the monopolies held by Google, Facebook and Twitter, and restore voter confidence that whomever they get, it's the guy they actually voted for.

In this case, the worst thing for everyone is uncertainty.

EC is clearly flawed, and should be fixed, but no relivent now, since senile Biden won with and inspite of.

what is important is for Biden/company to DEMAND the honour of the Rule of Law...............only 4 of the Rebugs affirm the Rule of Law (Sasse (who i know about for the last 4 yrs a like and conside a patriot, Romney - a rich born silver spoon vulture capitalist, but may have respect for the rule of law - though i like Sasse moreso - the latter did side with right in the impeachment hearings. the other 2 are just shills - alaska and maine fari weather pussies. siding with right today, but have shown no character when i matters.

fuck the rest of the repuplicans, they have no honour, nor respect 240 yrs of the Rule of Law in the land of America, so do not respect the Constitution.

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but if the Dems play thier usual "lets all be friends" you can kiss my Constutitution, the Rule of law goodbye, and - assuming the dems play pussy as they have for decades - we can assume Rump will be re-elected for another 4/40 yrs.