putting religion in it's proper place

[Sculptor]

Think duality and how religions are basically tribes.

Without our tribal instincts/religions, we would not be here.

Without tribes we would have no war, no bigotry, and no persecution.

Sure, but we would not exist either,

Rubbish.
You are suffering from a lack of imagination.

[gaffo]

Immanuel Can

The vast majority have always been the religious, and only a statistical fool will try to pin recent wars on the non-religious.

Really?

Which of the major wars of the 20th Century was "religious"? The first and second World Wars? The Cold War? The Korean War? The Vietnam War? The Spanish Civil War? The Boer War? Because already, you have, in just the two world wars, vast majority of people ever killed in any war, anytime.

So there's obviously no way you're right.

the above is true and not related to Religion nor Socialism, just power.

[gaffo]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit.

The opposite of profit is loss. Anything done for any reason other than profit is either worthless or desctructive.

Good point.

Leftist have a hatred of success, though. They think that if you are prospering, it must mean you are an "oppressor," and "stole" something from other people. How else could you possibly have gotten prosperous? They can't imagine any other way anybody could end up successful, so in their minds, profit is just a damnable evidence, an absolute certification of your wickedness. This is because they think wealth is zero-sum, and not creatable or increasable; there's only so much wealth in the world. So they reason that if you have more profit than somebody else, it can only be because they have less, and you must have stolen from them.

Of course, they're wrong. But nobody can ever tell them that.

Really, Leftism is the valorization of sloth, failure and envy. And anything productive, profitable, exceptional, meaningful or excellent is something they always hate, because it shows "inequity."

I agree and dissagree, you seem to be a Trickdown works type, me not. i only hope you are not like Marie antwonette smug-rich type.

i just deny the trickle - no down, so welcome taxing the rich to equal out and expand the middle class which has been shrinking - in spite of them working their ass off to stay in the middle class, and still fall into the underclass (due to not trickldown - only trickle up for the one percenters).

so i think you are clueless - blaming welfare queens for the demise of the middle class, instead of the FAIL - no Trickle down theology you seem to worship.

BTW i affirm the concept of equall opportunity, not outcome. but unlike you that means remove the oligarches that just circle their wagons and shit on the rest of us by denying opportunity - and why Reagan's bullshit trickldown is now fully shown as false.

[gaffo]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.

Jesus when he return will undo most religions but the Judean and Hinduism, but have them changed since there are too many bad verses.

Even the muslims has a hadith (minor prophecy) that "no one will visit the Kaaba".

Dude. Jesus is already here, but he ain't gonna bother with this 'second coming' bollocks by revealing himself.. He hangs out with the sages, watching the world being run by morons.

You do not beleive in your God's Son return? curious why not.

I've often thought - as an Athiest, Jesus returned in the 30s/40s as Ghandi, then some thug killed him - like 2000 yrs prior, and He will not return a 3rd time. "Fuck the humans, i returned as Ghandi and they killed my ass"............so he/his dad just washed his hands of us, let us burn, fuck us. we had the second chance and pissed it away in 1948.

[Immanuel Can]

you seem to be a Trickdown works type...

Well, I can say for sure, then, you don't know what I do advocate. It's not any of what you claim.

[gaffo]

Says you, someone that has NO experience and is extremely unlikely to ever be given any experience from God\'God' since IT requires a degree of faith first.

You do not know me.
I was a born again Christian when I was 14.

Really! No wonder you became atheist.

?? very haughty of you to assume knowledge of Athieists and why we are so.

around time Scupture became born again (assuming we are the same age), i lost my Christianity (never beging born again - only born into) and lost it at age 12.

42 yrs later still Athiest.

stick with your own kind - Chrstians, better yet dont even speak for them, speak only for yourself.

you nothing about me nor sculture, let alone "Athiests" so just shut the fuck up about why you think we ARE, and instead be Humble (a virtue) - and assume you don;t know anything about "us", and then ask us questions as individuals - not "athiests".

you are being a dick in your reply - so returned the favor.

reflect Sir.

[gaffo]

You do not know me.
I was a born again Christian when I was 14.

Really! No wonder you became atheist.

You are not in a position to comment.

Amen!

[gaffo]

But where are the evil Buddhists,

look to Myenmar - you been sleeping the last 5 yrs Rip Van Winkle?

Bubbist, with the leadership of Buddist Priests have killed and force removed Rohinga Muslims - 20, 000 of since 2015.

bubba.

BTW if you want to talk about Religion - look to Yugoslava, 5 yrs of muder.death camps/etc.........all due to Serbia fascist Othordox Christans vs Roman Catholic Croats, and Muslim Bosnians.

the Serbs were the assholes in that shitshow, fully Catholic Christians too BTW.

[gaffo]

you seem to be a Trickdown works type...

Well, I can say for sure, then, you don't know what I do advocate. It's not any of what you claim.

ok, then what do you advocate?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Is China, Russia and the likes totally & purely socialist??
No they are not.

That argument is a bait-and-switch game.

According to today's Socialists, there has never been any Socialism so far. All the failed regimes of the past were "not pure." And then they want us to believe that the NEXT regime, the one they want to establish, would finally be the "pure" one.

One wonders how arrogant they can possibly be. The people in Russia, China and elsewhere, they want you to believe, were fools. And today's Westerners are wise in all the ways in which the North Koreans, the Zimbabweans, the Cubans and Venezuelans were stupid children. And we should now trust today's Socialists, because they alone are "pure," and mature, and would do Socialism right.

No thanks. We can't afford the corpses.

It is not a 'bait and switch' at all.
I did not insist because there are some types of socialism are not evil [lure and bait], therefore all types of socialism are good [bait]. Therefore my proposed socialism is good.

I had stated whatever the socialism proposed or practiced we must research into the constitution of the ideology to find out whether it has evil elements.

one cannot accuse all systems of 'socialism' are evil.

One can prove that every regime of Socialism in the real world so far has been evil.

That, I would say, is a good enough as a reason not to try it again.

Every??
I don't agree with this fallacy of faulty generalization.

In a philosophy forum like this one need to be specific and provide sound arguments.
You cannot blame socialist regimes like Russia, China and others as total failures, e.g. given China's economic wealth creation, poverty eradication, environmental management, and other achievements. Where they are considered evil is because of various 'higher weightage' evil elements [presumed they are in their constitution] like no freedom of speech, human rights violations and others which are very evidently practiced.

[Veritas Aequitas]

But where are the evil Buddhists,

look to Myenmar - you been sleeping the last 5 yrs Rip Van Winkle?

Bubbist, with the leadership of Buddist Priests have killed and force removed Rohinga Muslims - 20, 000 of since 2015.

bubba.

BTW if you want to talk about Religion - look to Yugoslava, 5 yrs of muder.death camps/etc.........all due to Serbia fascist Othordox Christans vs Roman Catholic Croats, and Muslim Bosnians.

the Serbs were the assholes in that shitshow, fully Catholic Christians too BTW.

Point here is in any discussion of believers whether evil or good one need to note the following distinction:

1. The believer acting on his own personal responsibility or
2. The believer acting in compliance with the doctrines and commands of his religion.

The meaning of 'no evil Buddhists' refer to 2 above, i.e.
there are no evil Buddhists, there are genuine Buddhists are are evil because there are nothing in the Buddhist doctrines that command a Buddhists to be evil or kill humans.

Those supposedly Buddhists who commit evil and violence did it based on their personal evil nature and are not compelled by the Buddhism itself.

On the other hand there are real evil-Muslims because there are commands in the Quran [core of Islam] that compel Muslims to kill non-Muslim upon the slightest threats [fasadin] to the religion of Islam. This is so evident.

[gaffo]

But where are the evil Buddhists,

look to Myenmar - you been sleeping the last 5 yrs Rip Van Winkle?

Bubbist, with the leadership of Buddist Priests have killed and force removed Rohinga Muslims - 20, 000 of since 2015.

bubba.

BTW if you want to talk about Religion - look to Yugoslava, 5 yrs of muder.death camps/etc.........all due to Serbia fascist Othordox Christans vs Roman Catholic Croats, and Muslim Bosnians.

the Serbs were the assholes in that shitshow, fully Catholic Christians too BTW.

Point here is in any discussion of believers whether evil or good one need to note the following distinction:

1. The believer acting on his own personal responsibility or
2. The believer acting in compliance with the doctrines and commands of his religion.

The meaning of 'no evil Buddhists' refer to 2 above, i.e.
there are no evil Buddhists, there are genuine Buddhists are are evil because there are nothing in the Buddhist doctrines that command a Buddhists to be evil or kill humans.

Those supposedly Buddhists who commit evil and violence did it based on their personal evil nature and are not compelled by the Buddhism itself.

On the other hand there are real evil-Muslims because there are commands in the Quran [core of Islam] that compel Muslims to kill non-Muslim upon the slightest threats [fasadin] to the religion of Islam. This is so evident.

tell that to Pol Pot - a Buddist that killed 4 million.

but ya Buddism is more peaceful than Islam doctrinally.

but unlike you, i affirm the individual (you do per Bubbists - but not per Muslims). so there are peaceful Mulsims and thuggis Buddists - due to their personal natures, not their religion.


dicks alway use thier religions to justify thier acts.

[Immanuel Can]

But where are the evil Buddhists,

look to Myenmar - you been sleeping the last 5 yrs Rip Van Winkle?

Well, you got me there. I had forgotten Myanmar. There is one case.

Now see if you can find those evil Mennonites, Quakers and Anabaptists. Good luck.

[Immanuel Can]

you seem to be a Trickdown works type...

Well, I can say for sure, then, you don't know what I do advocate. It's not any of what you claim.

ok, then what do you advocate?

Well, here's a tip for you...not what you call "trickledown," and not Marie Antoinette.

[gaffo]

But where are the evil Buddhists,

look to Myenmar - you been sleeping the last 5 yrs Rip Van Winkle?

Well, you got me there. I had forgotten Myanmar. There is one case.

Now see if you can find those evil Mennonites, Quakers and Anabaptists. Good luck.

well thank you for your candor, as for the others you mention, no, they have not performed evil acts - to date.