Why Christians should be Gnostic Christians and gain a decent moral sense.

[Greatest I am]

I have been asked to open a Gnostic Christian post. I do so with pleasure.

Catholics and other Christians should be Gnostic Christians because Gnostic Christians recognize that Yahweh is a failure as a god and is more evil than good.

Christians end in calling evil good, and that is not a good sign of decent moral values.

Christian morals have been demonstrably corrupted, while Gnostic Christian morals have led our more universalist secular thinking towards a better world. Laïcité being the present epitome of this.

If you wish a low moral bar, go Christian. They love a genocidal god.

If your bar of excellence has already surpassed honoring genocide and substitutional punishment, like the Christians do, you are already above Christian standards.

If you are religiously inclined, morally speaking, Gnostic Christianity is for you.

We are not moral cowards, nor do we fear calling a vile Yahweh, a vile satanic god, the way Christians fear.

We have created all of our gods and it is to them to meet our moral standards, and when they do not, the way Yahweh fails to do, rejection is the only decent moral choice.

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While here, let me show why/how we think better than Christians about reality.

Basically, our Gnostic Christian logos against Christian mythos.

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
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The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Regards
DL

[Impenitent]

you don't have to be Christian to use toothpicks...

-Imp

[attofishpi]

you don't have to be Christian to use toothpicks...

-Imp

No, but we prefer fish bones.

[attofishpi]

I have been asked to open a Gnostic Christian post. I do so with pleasure.

Catholics and other Christians should be Gnostic Christians because Gnostic Christians recognize that Yahweh is a failure as a god and is more evil than good.

How do you know this?

Christians end in calling evil good, and that is not a good sign of decent moral values.

What? Please explain.

Christian morals have been demonstrably corrupted, while Gnostic Christian morals have led our more universalist secular thinking towards a better world. Laïcité being the present epitome of this.

If you wish a low moral bar, go Christian.

You are confusing one that adheres to the teachings of Christ (a Christian) with mans established churches that misrepresent Christianity.

If your bar of excellence has already surpassed honoring genocide and substitutional punishment, like the Christians do, you are already above Christian standards.

Did Christ teach genocide and substitutional punishment?

..again you are confusing what it is to be a Christian, with mans established churches that misrepresent Christianity.

If you are religiously inclined, morally speaking, Gnostic Christianity is for you.

No thanks. The teachings of Christ IS Christianity - I don't need to assimilate with anything beyond that and my own reasoning that assesses and reassesses what I have learned from my gnosis.

We are not moral cowards, nor do we fear calling a vile Yahweh, a vile satanic god, the way Christians fear.

What makes you not a moral coward and renders me, as a Christian, a moral coward?

What rationale brings you to believe God is satanic?

We have created all of our gods and it is to them to meet our moral standards, and when they do not, the way Yahweh fails to do, rejection is the only decent moral choice.

You created a god did you? How?

While here, let me show why/how we think better than Christians about reality.

Basically, our Gnostic Christian logos against Christian mythos.

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

What? Where do you get this nonsense?

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

Oh no, are we pulling the buy_bull out now to justify something!?

btw - my John 2:15 is:- 15. And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel..."

That I know to be true. God had me in hell for 3 month periods where I was tested, and developed my gnosis further. During such times I have never hated an entity more - in fact the very word 'hate' falls far short.
Now I marvel at the wonder of God's ONGOING projection of reality. I have heaven.

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

These days if I wrote that, I would write: The domain of God is inside you, and it is outside of you.
Again, I know this to be true.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Why? The way you see the world sounds rather disapointing.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

If that is an example of a 'mind exercise' - I think my brain is going to turn to lard eventually.

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Oh, it is very refutable. It is plausible that there is another planet out there somewhere, with souls akin to humans that have a far better world. They don't live on a planet overpopulated with dumb people breeding more dumb people.

[Impenitent]

you don't have to be Christian to use toothpicks...

-Imp

No, but we prefer fish bones.

gnawing fish bones lacks something... je ne sais quoi

-Imp

[Greatest I am]

you don't have to be Christian to use toothpicks...

-Imp

True, but Gnostic Christians know the moral use of toothpicks. Christians don't.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I have been asked to open a Gnostic Christian post. I do so with pleasure.

Catholics and other Christians should be Gnostic Christians because Gnostic Christians recognize that Yahweh is a failure as a god and is more evil than good.

How do you know this?

Just by looking at his record from a moral POV.

Do you think a genocide using Yahweh is good or evil?

Christians end in calling evil good, and that is not a good sign of decent moral values.

What? Please explain.

I E.

In the King David story, Yahweh tortures the Kings baby for 6 days before finally killing it, --- all because he was angry with the King.

Gnostic Christians call that evil, while Christian moral cowards call it good, because Yahweh cannot do evil.

Christian morals have been demonstrably corrupted, while Gnostic Christian morals have led our more universalist secular thinking towards a better world. Laïcité being the present epitome of this.

If you wish a low moral bar, go Christian.

You are confusing one that adheres to the teachings of Christ (a Christian) with mans established churches that misrepresent Christianity.

No I am not. If I go by the standard Jesus set in the scriptures, there is no one that has faith or belief in Jesus. If there was, according to Jesus, we would know because he could do all the Jesus did and more.

If your bar of excellence has already surpassed honoring genocide and substitutional punishment, like the Christians do, you are already above Christian standards.

Did Christ teach genocide and substitutional punishment?

..again you are confusing what it is to be a Christian, with mans established churches that misrepresent Christianity.

I will let you split those subjective hairs on your own.

Christianity teaches that genocide is a just punishment for us. Insanity.

As to substitutional punishment, --- without Christians accepting that immoral tenet, they cannot get into heaven.

They make Jesus just as immoral for asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own actions and sins.

If you are religiously inclined, morally speaking, Gnostic Christianity is for you.

No thanks. The teachings of Christ IS Christianity - I don't need to assimilate with anything beyond that and my own reasoning that assesses and reassesses what I have learned from my gnosis.

There is more than one Jesus shown in scriptures.

You likely know the Roman construct. I know the esoteric ecumenist and his good news.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

We are not moral cowards, nor do we fear calling a vile Yahweh, a vile satanic god, the way Christians fear.

What makes you not a moral coward and renders me, as a Christian, a moral coward?

What rationale brings you to believe God is satanic?

I judge him to be so, and Christians cannot argue for their immoral view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno

What makes Christian immoral cowards is having a double moral standard where they condemn a man for an act, while praising Yahweh for the same vile act.

The King David story above applies to this. If you or I did that we would be soundly condemned by any moral person. God murders and that is fine with Christians.

We have created all of our gods and it is to them to meet our moral standards, and when they do not, the way Yahweh fails to do, rejection is the only decent moral choice.

You created a god did you? How?

The same way all free thinkers do. We select what we think is the ideal ideology and embrace/encorporate it's notions.

That is how we maintain our best possible ideology.

To believe otherwise is to believe in the supernatural. That is a really poor idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

While here, let me show why/how we think better than Christians about reality.

Basically, our Gnostic Christian logos against Christian mythos.

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

What? Where do you get this nonsense?

It is common sense.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians.

The Christian reality.
1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

Oh no, are we pulling the buy_bull out now to justify something!?

Why not? I am a Gnostic Christian.

Do you criticize all Christians for using their bible?

Do not get stupid on me now.

The Gnostic Christian reality.
Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel..."

That I know to be true. God had me in hell for 3 month periods where I was tested, and developed my gnosis further. During such times I have never hated an entity more - in fact the very word 'hate' falls far short.
Now I marvel at the wonder of God's ONGOING projection of reality. I have heaven.

So why are you giving another the credit for creating heaven when you yourself did the work of finding it?

Do you believe in the supernatural or not?

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

These days if I wrote that, I would write: The domain of God is inside you, and it is outside of you.
Again, I know this to be true.

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Why? The way you see the world sounds rather disapointing.

Heaven is disappointing to you. Ok.

That does not refute that we live in the only possible heaven and world, given our past.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

If that is an example of a 'mind exercise' - I think my brain is going to turn to lard eventually.

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Oh, it is very refutable. It is plausible that there is another planet out there somewhere, with souls akin to humans that have a far better world. They don't live on a planet overpopulated with dumb people breeding more dumb people.

We know what this Earth is like and that is what I analyze. You go ahead and refute by imagining some fiction.

Why make up something when the real deal is what is in question?

I asked for a mind exercise, not an imagination mental trip to nothing.

Regards
DL

[attofishpi]

We know what this Earth is like and that is what I analyze. You go ahead and refute by imagining some fiction.

Why make up something when the real deal is what is in question?

I asked for a mind exercise, not an imagination mental trip to nothing.

Regards
DL

I'll address your points later...

My question right now is:- Do you ACTUALLY have gnosis, knowledge and experience of the Supreme Being and or the 'demiurge'?

[Greatest I am]

We know what this Earth is like and that is what I analyze. You go ahead and refute by imagining some fiction.

Why make up something when the real deal is what is in question?

I asked for a mind exercise, not an imagination mental trip to nothing.

Regards
DL

I'll address your points later...

My question right now is:- Do you ACTUALLY have gnosis, knowledge and experience of the Supreme Being and or the 'demiurge'?

Yes, by my definitions. No by yours.

That is my best guess.

If you are talking of a supernatural god, don't be foolish.

There is either one of those or there are too many to count, if you fall through that supernatural rabbit hole.

Think matrix and fractals. It is the les astute man's supernatural realm.

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Note what we call our God.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL

[attofishpi]

You have seriously got to be one of the most irrational people on this forum. That you don't see the contradiction in the below statement you made, where you post LOADS of bible buy_bull quotes - forcing US to listen to YOUR preaching of literal reading of myths!!

..hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

You don't have gnosis...you are just a blabbering fool of contradictions...(like every other preacher)

[Greatest I am]

You have seriously got to be one of the most irrational people on this forum. That you don't see the contradiction in the below statement you made, where you post LOADS of bible buy_bull quotes - forcing US to listen to YOUR preaching of literal reading of myths!!

..hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

You don't have gnosis...you are just a blabbering fool of contradictions...(like every other preacher)

If you, you pathetic piece of mental garbage, cannot show the contradiction, I can understand why you shrunk your mind and just went personal.

The less intelligent do that often, and force us more intelligent to reply in kind to get rid of you.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

Gnostic Christian

Oxymoron. No such thing exists.

[Greatest I am]

Gnostic Christian

Oxymoron. No such thing exists.

Try google.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

Gnostic Christian

Oxymoron. No such thing exists.

Try google.

Yeah. Like "Google" knows anything about it. I could call myself a "Christian Pirate" and Google would accept it, because it lists everything anybody puts into it.

Oxymoron. The Bible rules out Gnosticism.

[attofishpi]

You have seriously got to be one of the most irrational people on this forum. That you don't see the contradiction in the below statement you made, where you post LOADS of bible buy_bull quotes - forcing US to listen to YOUR preaching of literal reading of myths!!

..hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

You don't have gnosis...you are just a blabbering fool of contradictions...(like every other preacher)

If you, you pathetic piece of mental garbage, cannot show the contradiction, I can understand why you shrunk your mind and just went personal.

I do apologise would you have preferred I called you a hypocrite, rather than hoping you would real eyes the contradiction is the logic you applied to your 'argument'?