I am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Too bad if you or they change your minds and become apostates - your Muslim brothers are compelled to kill you. Yes, it's a one way conversion - I wonder why?Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pmI am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.
To change for what? I already practiced most religions before embracing Islam. All other religions were killing my intellect, why would I want that again?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:41 pmToo bad if you or they change your minds and become apostates - your Muslim brothers are compelled to kill you. Yes, it's a one way conversion - I wonder why?Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pmI am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:41 pm Too bad if you or they change your minds and become apostates - your Muslim brothers are compelled to kill you. Yes, it's a one way conversion - I wonder why?
Or (Averroes), you could realize that the Creator of the trillions upon trillions of suns and planets of this universe is so far above us in scope and consciousness that we are like amoebas in comparison.
But free thinkers do not relinquish their free thoughts to prescriptive ideologies. Muslims are required not to become apostates.There is no such requirement for free thinkers. Neither do free thinkers believe in blasphemy.Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pmI am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.
Or maybe God is a stupid, sadistic little kid with superpowers, and doesn't reveal himself so he can laugh at our confusion.
Yes, Atla, that may indeed be a possibility.
This God\'God' entity can and does reveal itself to individuals, I think maybe not in this lifetime for some, but keep pushing the right buttons and reincarnate through time until gnosis. I admit my gnosis is still EXTREMELY limited. I still have little idea as to the true nature of God.seeds wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:25 pmYes, Atla, that may indeed be a possibility.
However, I would suggest that any kid that has figured out how to produce (or perhaps program) a dimension of reality where unsupervised patterns of information can cause the creation and subsequent stitching together of proteins that know when to differentiate between the opaque blueness of the iris and the glass-like clearness of the pupil of the human eye...
...can hardly be called “stupid.”
And yes, we are no doubt an amusing batch of idiots to behold.
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To change for what? The fact that you opted for a 'religion' based on so many contradictions proves how irrational you are and how misguided you have been.Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:59 pmTo change for what? I already practiced most religions before embracing Islam. All other religions were killing my intellect, why would I want that again?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:41 pmToo bad if you or they change your minds and become apostates - your Muslim brothers are compelled to kill you. Yes, it's a one way conversion - I wonder why?Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm
I am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.
Maybe, maybe not. There are more atoms in my hand than there are stars in the known universe. When I open and close my hand, I correctly rearrange all those atoms across space and time all at once, and I have no idea how I do it.seeds wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:25 pmYes, Atla, that may indeed be a possibility.
However, I would suggest that any kid that has figured out how to produce (or perhaps program) a dimension of reality where unsupervised patterns of information can cause the creation and subsequent stitching together of proteins that know when to differentiate between the opaque blueness of the iris and the glass-like clearness of the pupil of the human eye...
...can hardly be called “stupid.”
And yes, we are no doubt an amusing batch of idiots to behold.
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I listened to the latter video for 15 minutes.Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:43 pm Belinda your post has reminded me of a Muslim scholar by the name of Sheik Hussein Yee. Here is what is said on Sheikh Yee on the Muslimcentral website:
So thank you Belinda for unintentionally reminding me of Sheikh Yee. I now have remembered having once listened to him on the Buddha, and how he explained it to us so very well. If the real Buddha was as Sheikh Yee has described, then I have respect for him. Sheikh Yee has said that the real Buddha believed in God, the Almighty and the Buddha's aim in life was to get closer to God the Almighty. Sheikh Yee being an Islamic scholar of reputation, so I believe him and therefore I remove all the bad statements I said before about the real Buddha. If the Buddha was indeed a servant of God, the Almighty as Sheikh Yee has explained then I ask Allah the Almighty to forgive me for having disrespected His servant. Here is the YT video where Sheikh Yee explained to us who was the Buddha and what was his mission in life: https://youtu.be/IvCU-4TE-ec?t=152
- Shaykh Hussain Yee is a well known International Daee and is the President of Pertubuhan Al-Khaadem in Malaysia. Among other positions, he spent a year in 1980 as an Advisor for the Cambodian Islamic Refugee Organisation in Paris, France. He has also served as a Counsellor at PERKIM Kuala Lumpur and as the Director of Da’wah for the Islamic Center in Hong Kong from 1984 to 1985.
Shaykh Hussain is a Malaysian national of Chinese descent, born into a Buddhist family, he embraced Islam at the age of 18 in 1968.
He pursued further studies at the Islamic University of Madinah in Saudi Arabia majoring in Hadith. He also studied under one of the great scholars on Hadith of his time, Shaikh Muhammad Nasiruddin Al-Albani.
Shaykh Hussain is a well-known personality in the Islamic world. He gives regular lectures in the Asia Pacific region and is a regular on Peace TV. https://muslimcentral.com/audio/hussain-yee/
Some Buddhists at the fringe believe in some idea of a god but definitely not like the god of the Abrahamic religions.Do Buddhists believe in a god?
Answer:
No, we do not. There are several reasons for this. The Buddha, like modern sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear. The Buddha says:
Gripped by fear people go to sacred mountains, sacred groves, sacred trees and shrines.
Dp. 188
Primitive humans found selves in a dangerous and hostile world, the fear of wild animals, of not being able to find enough food, of injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes were constantly with them. Finding no security, they created the idea of gods in order to give them comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, you will hear them say that the belief in a god or gods gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in a particular god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. All this seems to support the Buddha's teaching that the god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. The Buddha taught us to try to understand our fears, to lessen our desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.
The second reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god's words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god's nature, that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Buddhists suspend judgement until such evidence is forthcoming.
The third reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin of the universe. But this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of atheists and free-thinkers, not to mention many Buddhists, who live useful, happy and meaningful lives without belief in a god. Some claim that belief in god's power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some claim that god is necessary in order to give man salvation. But this argument only holds good if you accept the theological concept of salvation and Buddhists do not accept such a concept. Based on his own experience, the Buddha saw that each human being had the capacity to purify the mind, develop infinite love and compassion and perfect understanding.
He shifted attention from the heavens to the heart and encouraged us to find solutions to our problems through self-understanding.
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm
Isn't the bolded above evidence of stupidity??Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:50 pmYou make your own choices. Or are you asking me what to do as a student asks his teacher?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:26 pmWhat if Buddha was just a very nice and highly intelligent bloke - is it ok to disrespect him then?
You have shown a picture of a demolished Buddha statue in Afghanistan The Afghan can do whatever they want with their property, it's their right. Are you not for freedom of conscience and freedom of expression? The Chinese too are destroying statues of Buddha on a massive scale in China: https://bitterwinter.org/buddhist-statu ... oss-china/
I too have smashed all the statues and tore up all the pictures that I had before embracing Islam. Those were my properties and I disposed of them as I wished.
The interesting thing is that none of those statues could protect or defend themselves when I smashed them into pieces, nor did they protest.
You thought you converted to Islam based on free choice, but in reality you had been brainwashed [zombied] by your desperate psyche to enter into a contract with the devil as a contract-killer and now is trapped to comply with all the evil terms within the contract.Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pmI am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.
Your current religion is straighjacketing your intellect and you are contracted to kill non-Muslims when they express their higher intellect than Islam.Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:59 pmTo change for what? I already practiced most religions before embracing Islam. All other religions were killing my intellect, why would I want that again?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:41 pmToo bad if you or they change your minds and become apostates - your Muslim brothers are compelled to kill you. Yes, it's a one way conversion - I wonder why?Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm
I am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.
Your current religion is straighjacketing your intellect and you are contracted to kill non-Muslims when they express their higher intellect than Islam.Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:59 pmTo change for what? I already practiced most religions before embracing Islam. All other religions were killing my intellect, why would I want that again?attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:41 pmToo bad if you or they change your minds and become apostates - your Muslim brothers are compelled to kill you. Yes, it's a one way conversion - I wonder why?Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:02 pm
I am happy that Stephen Batchelor and Don Cupitt both support free thought because that means they also support my freedom of thought for having freely chosen to embrace Islam. That's nice of them to support my conversion to Islam.
Dr Enders Volker who is a physicist and who was formerly sympathetic to Buddhism also freely chose to embrace Islam: https://youtu.be/JPwHxL3zuFw
It's great for Stephen and Don to support all those Muslims who have chosen Islam over all other religions.