Does Jesus have free will?

[owl of Minerva]

Answer to Emmanuel Can.

So you believe in more than one God. "I am the Lord your God and you shall have no Gods before me."

[owl of Minerva]

You missed the point of my post that there is only one God and Jesus was one (in consciousness) with that God.

[Immanuel Can]

Answer to Emmanuel Can.

So you believe in more than one God. "I am the Lord your God and you shall have no Gods before me."

It's not about ME. What I believe or not will have zero effect on your situation. But I will offer you a proper explanation anyway.

The term "gods" includes false 'gods' like Molech and Baal. In the field of things people worship, there are many such falsehoods, and all constitute 'gods' in the broad sense. To this, you can add Zeus, Allah, Thor, and for that matter, Minerva. Their only disadvantage, of course, is that they are different from what the Bible calls, "the one true God." The are false gods.

But you're not paying attention to what I told you. You are in danger. Be careful.

[uwot]

It's not about ME.

Of course it's about you. Your god is everything that you wish, and he will punish everyone who disagrees with you. The amazing thing is you are so conceited you don't think that's a coincidence.

You are in danger. Be careful.

No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.

[Greatest I am]

You missed the point of my post that there is only one God and Jesus was one (in consciousness) with that God.

If Jesus is God then he could not die.

God, most believe, cannot die.

Jesus said that we gods, think the Jewish Divine Council, --- at the end of days, --- are to elect a new Jesus type and make him our God.

That is why he said that many could be and do as he did.

Gnostic Christians are about the only Christians who live towards that ideal.

If we want God on earth, we must recognize him or here among us.

Unfortunately, only Jesus and Gnostic Christians recognize the logic and reason that heaven is here on Earth, as Jesus taught, and so is the only capital "G" God anyone will ever know has yet to be elected.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

"I am the Lord your God and you shall have no Gods before me."

Get thee behind me you satanic genocidal piece of moral garbage.

I will put many before you.

All moral people will condemn Yahweh to hell.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

It's not about ME.

Of course it's about you. Your god is everything that you wish, and he will punish everyone who disagrees with you. The amazing thing is you are so conceited you don't think that's a coincidence.

You are in danger. Be careful.

No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.

If only that were true.

The religious and their immoral policies continue to plague us.

Oh well. At least the right wing fascist loony squad is shrinking.

Regards
DL

[uwot]

No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.

If only that were true.

The religious and their immoral policies continue to plague us.

It's not a big problem in Europe. The Middle East is fucked because of it, and now a scarily large minority of Americans are determined to follow suit.

Oh well. At least the right wing fascist loony squad is shrinking.

If only that were true.

[Belinda]

No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.

If only that were true.

The religious and their immoral policies continue to plague us.

It's not a big problem in Europe. The Middle East is fucked because of it, and now a scarily large minority of Americans are determined to follow suit.

Oh well. At least the right wing fascist loony squad is shrinking.

If only that were true.

Religion worked well when social classes and economies were rigidly fixed, and social superiors in local communities took it for granted the people who lived in the big house along with the vicar distributed charity to the poor.

[Belinda]

Jesus the man did not have Free Will , but Christ the God had Free Will because God is uncaused.

that sound very Pauline, you a Paulist?

I don't know what a Paulist is

[Belinda]

It is obvious that Jesus as portrayed by Gospel had Free Will; Jesus contended against temptation and won. This story depends upon the theme of Free Will that is what the story is all about: of his own free will Jesus chose God .

[uwot]

Religion worked well when social classes and economies were rigidly fixed, and social superiors in local communities took it for granted the people who lived in the big house along with the vicar distributed charity to the poor.

Well, when you say that something "worked well", you have to know what you want it to do before you can judge its efficacy. Christianity was very successful at maintaining the structure you mention above. A few parables were key: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." So it might seem a bit unfair, but don't worry because: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." So in the meantime, be a good serf and "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." What christianity fails to point out is the reason the people who lived in the big house could afford to distribute charity was that they had acquired all the best resources by violence. If supporting a hierarchy in which a small elite exploit other human beings, then yep, religion worked well.

[Belinda]

Religion worked well when social classes and economies were rigidly fixed, and social superiors in local communities took it for granted the people who lived in the big house along with the vicar distributed charity to the poor.

Well, when you say that something "worked well", you have to know what you want it to do before you can judge its efficacy. Christianity was very successful at maintaining the structure you mention above. A few parables were key: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." So it might seem a bit unfair, but don't worry because: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." So in the meantime, be a good serf and "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." What christianity fails to point out is the reason the people who lived in the big house could afford to distribute charity was that they had acquired all the best resources by violence. If supporting a hierarchy in which a small elite exploit other human beings, then yep, religion worked well.

I always assume religion everywhere is part of the prevailing ethnic culture of any society. The prevailing ethnic culture of the society in which religion"worked" was one that included rigid social class divisions. It was a culture that conserved the rural economy as it was. Charity was ethical as it made the lives of the working people sufficiently less bad that they remained contented with the status quo and got on with their work . Economic change and new forms of exploitation were to come with urbanisation, but for centuries rural economies and their cultures of belief worked well.

[Belinda]

Religion worked well when social classes and economies were rigidly fixed, and social superiors in local communities took it for granted the people who lived in the big house along with the vicar distributed charity to the poor.

Well, when you say that something "worked well", you have to know what you want it to do before you can judge its efficacy. Christianity was very successful at maintaining the structure you mention above. A few parables were key: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." So it might seem a bit unfair, but don't worry because: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." So in the meantime, be a good serf and "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." What christianity fails to point out is the reason the people who lived in the big house could afford to distribute charity was that they had acquired all the best resources by violence. If supporting a hierarchy in which a small elite exploit other human beings, then yep, religion worked well.

I always assume religion everywhere is part of the prevailing ethnic culture of any society. The prevailing ethnic culture of the society in which religion"worked" was one that included rigid social class divisions. It was a culture that conserved the rural economy as it was. Charity was ethical as it made the lives of the working people sufficiently less bad that they remained contented with the status quo and got on with their work . Economic change and new forms of exploitation were to come with urbanisation, but for centuries rural economies and their cultures of belief worked well.

Also, I think we need to remember that ancient ancestral violence was not committed by farmers and associated workers such as smiths but by aristocrats and their militias. The rural economy sort of kept going throughout the warfare. Farmers want to plant , reap, and rear and so are attached to their land.

[attofishpi]

It is obvious that Jesus as portrayed by Gospel had Free Will; Jesus contended against temptation and won. This story depends upon the theme of Free Will that is what the story is all about: of his own free will Jesus chose God .

This entire thread seems to be about some assumption that God knows ALL the future, therefore does not have free will, and since Jesus was God incarnate he also has no free will.

Ridiculous.

God does not know the entire future for one. If IT did, then EVERYTHING is predetermined there is NO free will for ANYBODY, let alone Jesus!!