Calling All Liberal Race Baiters

[Skepdick]

But back to the point: what's the "catalyst" of which you spoke.

Not being policed like this ?

Read it until you understand it.

You DON'T want knife wielders subdued without being shot?

I have no horse in that race. It's the people who don't like being governed with lethal force is who you should be speaking to.

Perhaps they want to be policed the way UK polices its knife-wielders?

Also... How the fuck did you arrive at precisely the opposite conclusion given the video shows a knife-wielder being disarmed without lethal force?

[Immanuel Can]

I have come to realize that these Black people really really do think the Police are going to kill them if they don't run. Where does this come from except for the decades of Liberal/Media/Politicians drumming Delusions of Police Brutality into their Minds. Your list of alternate reasons are possibilities but the larger problem is the baseless fear and mistrust that Black people have for the Police.

You're right that if you just do what the cops tell you, you have a nearly perfect chance of survival. So the idea of running is really stupid. But the guy with the "peaceful protest knife" in Philadelphia wasn't running away, of course.

But I was speaking of the motives of the rioters, not the motives of the perps.

[Skepdick]

You're right that if you just do what the cops tell you, you have a nearly perfect chance of survival.

Daniel Shaver disagrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc

[Immanuel Can]

How the fuck did you arrive at precisely the opposite conclusion given the video shows a knife-wielder being disarmed without lethal force?

You said the catalyst was NOT being policed like that. It was unclear what you were negating. But you caused the ambiguity by "answering" the question with an irrelevant video, instead of answering it straight up.

So what "catalyst" causes riots? Go ahead: one word will do.

[Skepdick]

You said the catalyst was NOT being policed like that. It was unclear what you were negating. But you caused the ambiguity by "answering" the question with an irrelevant video, instead of answering it straight up.

So what "catalyst" causes riots? Go ahead: one word will do.

You don't know how negation works in epistemology? Shame.

Let me explain it to you.

The video shows a style of policing that is NOT being practiced in the USA. A style which appears to be much closer to the "Serve and protect" ideal.

The catalyst is the discrepancy between the style of policing being practiced in the USA and the style of policing being shown in the video.

"The governed" do not consent to being policed the way they are being policed.
"The governed" believe they OUGHT(which puts it outside of the reach of the philosophical discipline) to be policed differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_of_the_governed

[Immanuel Can]

You don't know how negation works in epistemology? Shame.

Oh, I see. You're not going to answer a simple question. You just want to "tussle" again.

Okay. We're done.

[Skepdick]

Oh, I see. You're not going to answer a simple question.

I answered your question.

Did you want a simpler answer; or a different one?

Here it is (in case you missed it):

Let me explain it to you.

The video shows a style of policing that is NOT being practiced in the USA. A style which appears to be much closer to the "Serve and protect" ideal.

The catalyst is the discrepancy between the style of policing being practiced in the USA and the style of policing being shown in the video.

"The governed" do not consent to being policed the way they are being policed.
"The governed" believe they OUGHT(which puts it outside of the reach of the philosophical discipline) to be policed differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_of_the_governed

Okay. We're done.

Send your complaints to nobody-lets-me-control-the-narrative@jesus-gives-a-fuck.com

[henry quirk]

P.S. -- Looters in Philadelphia just shot a 15 year old girl. What "catalyst" does that correspond to?

What "Supreme Being" does that correspond to?

allah

[henry quirk]

But I do notice that everyone's dropped the "racism" explanation.

Racism isn't explanatory - it's descriptive.

America is a racist country. And I live in ex-Apartheid central.

overall, no it ain't

[commonsense]

...Paranoid Delusions of Police Brutality in their Minds for decades. The damage is done. It will take many years to educate and erase these Paranoid Delusions.

Is that what's going on? I'm not sure it is.

To believe that cops are deliberately brutal to black people, you'd really have to believe a number of things that are hard to believe. One is that cops are racist -- despite the many black and hispanic cops. A second is that they deliberately seek out or "hunt" for ways to harm innocent black people. Is that what anybody really thinks is going on?

From my observations I think that the Black communities have been blasted with exactly the Thought Corruption that you have listed above. I used to think it was an act when Black suspects were asked, "why did you run from the Police?", they answered because they were Afraid. I have come to realize that these Black people really really do think the Police are going to kill them if they don't run. Where does this come from except for the decades of Liberal/Media/Politicians drumming Delusions of Police Brutality into their Minds. Your list of alternate reasons are possibilities but the larger problem is the baseless fear and mistrust that Black people have for the Police.

...and the fear and mistrust that police have for all blacks.

[henry quirk]

Anyone here who actually knows any black people...can tell you that they all know how much more likely they are to be stopped by the police and randomly searched, how much more likely it is that they will "match the description", and so on.

overall, that's not case

[henry quirk]

the fear and mistrust that police have for all blacks.

overall, that's not true

[SteveKlinko]

Anyone here who actually knows any black people...can tell you that they all know how much more likely they are to be stopped by the police and randomly searched, how much more likely it is that they will "match the description", and so on.

overall, that's not case

I agree. I have found that these kinds of anecdotal reports by Blacks fall apart when put to some scrutiny. I saw this on one of the News shows a while back. The Black person was outraged that the Police stopped them. He went on and on about how he felt like he was profiled. The moderator eventually got to ask him if the Cop gave him a reason for the stop. The guy angrily admitted that he was going 5mph over the speed limit so it turned out that it was merely a standard speeding stop. The guy then said he was mad because he was sure that the Police would not have pulled him over if he was White with such a small violation over the limit. This is the Paranoid thinking that has been instilled into the Black communities. They are simply becoming more and more unreasonable. They are truly Paranoid, seeing Racism around every corner.

Here is another example from the TV show Cops. The Cops were patting down a suspect when the camera clearly showed a small packet of drugs falling out of the suspects pants leg onto the ground. The suspect immediately started hollering that the Police had planted the drugs on him. I'm sure the suspect continued with that story all the way through the court system and through his jail term. For the rest of his life he probably contaminated peoples minds with this story.

[Immanuel Can]

This is the Paranoid thinking that has been instilled into the Black communities.

I remember that Michelle Obama tells a story about being in an ice cream store with her kids, only a couple of years ago.

She was standing, looking at the menu board, trying to figure out what her kids would want, and a woman stepped into the queue in front of her. She objected verbally, and the woman backed off.

Obama was definite: this was proof of racism. In fact, that was the whole context of her telling the story on the talk show.

Racism? Really? How did she know that? She didn't say, "The woman said to me, 'Get out of the way, __________!'" She didn't say to the clerk, "This ice cream store shouldn't be serving people like her." Nor did Obama report that she even did so much as to shot Obama a look.

Heck, Obama's a Democrat: if the woman did anything intentional, how did she know the woman wasn't anti-Democrat?

But no, it had to be racism.

Why? Have you never had anyone step into a queue in front of you? Did you immediately decide, "It's because I'm short...or Jewish...or male...or wear yoga pants"? In fact, did you decide anything except that that person was either just rude or totally oblivious? Why then would Obama be so sure this woman was racist?

[commonsense]

Anyone here who actually knows any black people...can tell you that they all know how much more likely they are to be stopped by the police and randomly searched, how much more likely it is that they will "match the description", and so on.

overall, that's not case

I agree. I have found that these kinds of anecdotal reports by Blacks fall apart when put to some scrutiny. I saw this on one of the News shows a while back. The Black person was outraged that the Police stopped them. He went on and on about how he felt like he was profiled. The moderator eventually got to ask him if the Cop gave him a reason for the stop. The guy angrily admitted that he was going 5mph over the speed limit so it turned out that it was merely a standard speeding stop. The guy then said he was mad because he was sure that the Police would not have pulled him over if he was White with such a small violation over the limit. This is the Paranoid thinking that has been instilled into the Black communities. They are simply becoming more and more unreasonable. They are truly Paranoid, seeing Racism around every corner.

Here is another example from the TV show Cops. The Cops were patting down a suspect when the camera clearly showed a small packet of drugs falling out of the suspects pants leg onto the ground. The suspect immediately started hollering that the Police had planted the drugs on him. I'm sure the suspect continued with that story all the way through the court system and through his jail term. For the rest of his life he probably contaminated peoples minds with this story.

Drivers are not routinely pulled over for going 5mph over the limit.