Calling All Liberal Race Baiters

[Skepdick]

They have in fact done such experiments. I have seen results of such experiments on TV news segments. No bias was seen and in fact the Police are actually less likely to shoot Blacks because of all the hysteria about that.

It sure sounds like you are saying that the "hysteria" (public awareness) lowered the likelihood of police shootings against a particular group.

But how can that be, if "race" doesn't play part in the decision-making process of police officers?
How can any lowering take place if the police didn't have a bias for using lethal force too quickly?

[SteveKlinko]

They have in fact done such experiments. I have seen results of such experiments on TV news segments. No bias was seen and in fact the Police are actually less likely to shoot Blacks because of all the hysteria about that.

It sure sounds like you are saying that the "hysteria" (public awareness) lowered the likelihood of police shootings against a particular group.

But how can that be, if "race" doesn't play part in the decision-making process of police officers?
How can any lowering take place if the police didn't have a bias for using lethal force too quickly?

Point is that it should be even probability between Whites and Blacks. The Liberal/Media/Politicians have infected every aspect of society with their Mind Sewage and they have made the Cops wary of doing their jobs.

[Skepdick]

Point is that it should be even probability between Whites and Blacks.

Heh! So you are in favour of equality then? You had me confused, because the "Liberal Left" wants equality too.

The experiment has literally showed you a bi-modal distribution.

Group A is being killed at a lower rate.
Group B is being killed at a higher rate.

If you are going to "even out" those numbers, do you think the police should normalize by increasing A to match B; or by decreasing B to match A?

The Liberal/Media/Politicians have infected every aspect of society with their Mind Sewage and they have made the Cops wary of doing their jobs.

They were clearly doing their job poorly! it's obviously possible to reduce the use of lethal force.

You don't think the police killing less people (of any race) is a good thing?

[Immanuel Can]

Skepdick wrote:

The Liberal/Media/Politicians have infected every aspect of society with their Mind Sewage and they have made the Cops wary of doing their jobs.

They were clearly doing their job poorly! it's obviously possible to reduce the use of lethal force.

How is that "obvious"? Because a few cops mishandled a situation? Does that make it "obvious" that "cops" in general "do their job badly"? How?

As for "it's possible to reduce the use of lethal force," yes...but at what cost will you pause, and say, "Well, maybe that's enough reduction"? At the cost of police, victim or innocent civilian lives? At the cost of allowing violent criminals to escape and recommit their offences? At the cost of making policing such a dangerous job that nobody wants it anymore? Would you advocate "reduction" if those things turn out to be the cost?

Just asking: where would you stop, and how would you decide it's the right point?

Is it somehow "obvious" to you that that we can reduce lethal force, and still protect everyone? I mean, it's conceivable...but by no means certain, and certainly not obvious.

How has this become "obvious" to you?

[Skepdick]

How is that "obvious"? Because a few cops mishandled a situation? Does that make it "obvious" that "cops" in general "do their job badly"? How?

The few cops didn't "mishandle a situation".

The few cops demonstrated that a higher bar is possible.

As for "it's possible to reduce the use of lethal force," yes...but at what cost will you pause, and say, "Well, maybe that's enough reduction"? At the cost of police, victim or innocent civilian lives?

At the point where no further compromise is possible.

Lucky for us, the officers in the experiment showed us that there was extra time to examine the situation, at no additional cost to them.

[Immanuel Can]

The few cops demonstrated that a higher bar is possible.

They demonstrated a higher bar is possible for a few cops. Nothing more.

As for "it's possible to reduce the use of lethal force," yes...but at what cost will you pause, and say, "Well, maybe that's enough reduction"? At the cost of police, victim or innocent civilian lives?

At the point where no further compromise is possible.

Define that. When is there "no further compromise possible" between the lives of civilians, officers and victims, on the one hand, and the perps on the other?

We need to know, if we don't want more people to die instead of fewer.

[Skepdick]

Is it somehow "obvious" to you that that we can reduce lethal force, and still protect everyone? I mean, it's conceivable...but by no means certain, and certainly not obvious.

How has this become "obvious" to you?

Here's something to ponder about.

Doctors deal with mentally ill patients on regular basis - cops don't.
Doctors have the instruments (mental and physical) to deal with this without violence - cops don't.

The point of training is to add tools to your arsenal so you can deal with various situations on a force-continuum.
If the only tool you have is violence, every solution is going to depend on it.

https://laist.com/latest/post/20201013/ ... y_shooting

[Skepdick]

They demonstrated a higher bar is possible for a few cops. Nothing more.

And in doing so raised the bar for the rest of them.

That's what training standards are for. Can't operate at this level? Sorry. Find another job.

The public does not need your services.

We need to know, if we don't want more people to die instead of fewer.

You don't need to know. The police officer having to make the decision needs to know.

Their judgment is not based on definitions - it's based on training.

[Immanuel Can]

Is it somehow "obvious" to you that that we can reduce lethal force, and still protect everyone? I mean, it's conceivable...but by no means certain, and certainly not obvious.

How has this become "obvious" to you?

Here's something to ponder about.

Here's something for you to ponder, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&t=234s

Doctors deal with mentally ill patients on regular basis - cops don't.

That's about the most implausible thing you've said. They routinely meet people with mental illnesses, psychopathy, drug addled brains and criminal minds. Here's another very short video for you to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blO5xI2xyIg

What planet do you live on? One thing for sure: it ain't Earth.

[Immanuel Can]

We need to know, if we don't want more people to die instead of fewer.

You don't need to know. The police officer having to make the decision needs to know.

YOU need to know. You're the one telling them they can do better.

And you want to change police policy. So YOU need to tell them. Otherwise, they should just ignore you, because you have no idea what's going on anyway.

[Skepdick]

Here's something for you to ponder, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&t=234s

I have 15 years police experience and I have been in a bunch of shootings.

What is it that you think a news clip is going to teach me?

That's about the most implausible thing you've said. They routinely meet people with mental illnesses, psychopathy, drug addled brains and criminal minds.

Do you understand the difference between "meet" and "deal with"

Here's another very short video for you to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blO5xI2xyIg

What planet do you live on? One thing for sure: it ain't Earth.

It's Earth alright. You clearly live on planet Youtube.

[Skepdick]

YOU need to know. You're the one telling them they can do better.

I am not the one telling them anything?

OUR colleagues showed them HOW to do better!

[Immanuel Can]

Here's something for you to ponder, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&t=234s

I have 15 years police experience and I have been in a bunch of shootings.

You didn't watch the videos. I can tell...you didn't have time.

What's your problem? Afraid of a few facts?

[Skepdick]

You didn't watch the videos. I can tell...you didn't have time.

And I am not denying it.

What's your problem? Afraid of a few facts?

Petrified of irrelevance.

[Immanuel Can]

YOU need to know. You're the one telling them they can do better.

I am not the one telling them anything?

Their peers showed them HOW to do better.

You claim to be a police officer. That makes you their "peer."

But if what you say is true, the problem was not with their peers at all. It was the few who messed up. The majority were well trained and doing just fine, according to you; because you trust them to "show" how to do better.

You make no sense. Either the vast majority of cops are good, and only a few are incompetent, or the majority's incompetent, and we need comprehensive reform and police retraining. Not both. Which is it?