A Most Important Request To Die And Come Back If You Can [Please Read - Very Important]

[paulobrienhunter]

*What I talk about in this text may be one of the most important pieces of information and one of the most important requests one could ever read.*

Everyone who reads this and chooses not to do the request should explain why they won't do the request so that, if possible, I will be able to address those concerns to make it so that someone is able to do the request.

First I will summarize the information to be able to more clearly discuss the request.

There couldn't have been an infinite amount of time before the present so there must have been a first event. Before the first event was nothing. How it went from nothing to the first event and the first event onto the second event and so on I have figured out. After figuring out what the events were that happened after there was nothing it is shown that there exists point-like places (p-lps) arranged in a pattern in 3 dimensions. Those p-lps are continuously created in a pattern in 3 dimensions outward from a few of the p-lps that exist at the center of the p-lps. There is also an awareness that is aware of the p-lps and that awareness will be called awareness#1 or a#1 for short.

A#1 and the p-lps are all that "fundamentally" exists. Since I and probably also you are not aware of p-lps like a#1 is, we must be the p-lps. We are aware of things. We must be made aware of things by a#1 or something a#1 created since we can't be made aware of things by other p-lps because the other p-lps aren't aware of the p-lps that a#1 is aware of.

We are not only aware of things but we seem to be in a "system of existence" where we can interact with one another even though we were originally just p-lps not aware of anything. So a#1 or something a#1 created must be creating this "system of existence" where we are aware of the same world and can interact within it.

However, in this world we seem to be capable of no longer being aware of anything else, I'm talking about dying. However we still exist as p-lps that a#1 could make such p-lps aware of anything it wanted so the dying we see in this world doesn't necessarily mean that we will stop being aware of things.

I want a volunteer who, if I prove to them that a#1 and the p-lps are all that fundamentally exists (and along with the little reasoning I provided in this text), will die to see what happens after death since we now know that we can still be made aware of things after the death we see in this world. Not only do I need the volunteer to promise to die, but I need the volunteer to promise to come back to this world if the volunteer can and help me to die so I can go on to this "world of the dead".

The only thing wrong with suicide from a pleasure/pain perspective (the only perspective that matters) is that one might end up in a worse situation after death compared to life's situation but it's pointless to try and avoid ending up in a worse situation after death compared to life's situation because you could end up in a worse situation after death compared to life's situation for any reason, such as dying a natural death after a long life. We do not know how a#1 created this system or what a#1 plans to have happen after death so the only thing for us to do is to act without fear of ending up in a worse situation after death compared to life's situation.

I would die by myself but I'm unable to due to my circumstances.

[Dalek Prime]

Arising_uk already volunteered, and is awaiting your link via your other post here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15634

Follow through on that one, first.

[paulobrienhunter]

Arising_uk already volunteered, and is awaiting your link via your other post here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15634

Follow through on that one, first.

I promised paradise in that thread, and while a#1 most likely made after death paradise based on the fact that this world is supposed to be a trap world (eg why it is so hard to die) and death not necessarily being something that makes one aware of nothingness, I can't 100% guarantee it so I changed my style.

If Arising_uk volunteers in this thread, i'll link him to my forum and proof and we can discuss it there, only after he's posted in this thread though because paradise is no longer guaranteed at the likelihood that I previously promised it at, so he may change his mind.

I am extremely grateful to have a volunteer though, especially without having to wait days, weeks, or even months waiting.

[Dalek Prime]

Arising_uk already volunteered, and is awaiting your link via your other post here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15634

Follow through on that one, first.

I promised paradise in that thread, and while a#1 most likely made after death paradise based on the fact that this world is supposed to be a trap world (eg why it is so hard to die) and death not necessarily being something that makes one aware of nothingness, I can't 100% guarantee it so I changed my style.

If Arising_uk volunteers in this thread, i'll link him to my forum and proof and we can discuss it there, only after he's posted in this thread though because paradise is no longer guaranteed at the likelihood that I previously promised it at, so he may change his mind.

I am extremely grateful to have a volunteer though, especially without having to wait days, weeks, or even months waiting.

It was nice knowing you, Arising. Good luck. We shall base epic poems on your deeds, here.

[Advocate]

There are no beginnings or ends in Actuality, only in language, according to purpose.

Also, the definition of life is that which ends at death, and vice versa. But that's a mere technicality. If our definition of life/death is incorrect and coming back is possible, why aren't people coming back all the time? It seems necessarily true that if there is something else, it's transcendent. If i die and all suddenly not embodied, or am in a different realm somehow, it seems obvious that it would take quite a long adjustment period to feel like myself again, and who's to say what happens to my memories in the process. And even if i still remember my promise, will it still matter in light of what else i would then know? There are many potential reasons someone might not come back even if they could, like it would set of a chain of events that leads to extension.. well, not that example or someone would have done it, but you get the idea.

What i'm getting at is that the promise probably isn't worth the paper it's written on, even if it's made with positive intent. Is not in the mood to kill myself right now but if you want to check in after a while...

[Advocate]

It was nice knowing you, Arising. Good luck. We shall base epic poems on your deeds, here. :P

.. in haiku form
... but only if you come back to read them.

[commonsense]

You first.

[PeteJ]

*What I talk about in this text may be one of the most important pieces of information and one of the most important requests one could ever read.*

Everyone who reads this and chooses not to do the request should explain why they won't do the request so that, if possible, I will be able to address those concerns to make it so that someone is able to do the request.

First I will summarize the information to be able to more clearly discuss the request.

There couldn't have been an infinite amount of time before the present so there must have been a first event. Before the first event was nothing. How it went from nothing to the first event and the first event onto the second event and so on I have figured out.

It is very easy in philosophy to create intractable problems by embodying hidden assumptions in our questions. You will never figure out how an event can occur in Nothingness. According to reason it would be impossible.

"There couldn't have been an infinite amount of time before the present"

Yet, on any realistic notion of time, there must have been an infinite amount.

"so there must have been a first event".

The idea of a first 'thing-event' makes no sense. An thing-event requires space-time, so you're arguing that space-time existed before the first event, or that the emergence of space-time from nothingness simply is the first event. Yet how can even this event happen in nothingness?

The assumption that leads to these problems is naive realism. You're assuming the psycho-physical world is truly real, that it is irreducible. This assumption causes endless paradoxes and intractable antinomies, as we all know all too well.

If you start by assuming that thing-events are not truly real then your question will end up looking very different. I would recommend the popular book by the physicist Paul Davies The Mind Of God for a good discussion of this issue. If you asked this question on a Buddhist forum you'd be told off for confusing the dream with reality.

PS. On further consideration I realise that I have no idea what this thread is about. I'll let the comment stand but it's probably irrelevant.