What causes muslims to be violent

[gaffo]

not to be flippant, but this thread is about Islam.

not the Constitutional Monarchy.

I would love to talk about the latter, but it should be its own thread.

2-cents.

[gaffo]

I have to disagree with that.

???? don't follow, i dont think you value science as the all and be all..............

so maybe we got a cross/talk missunderstanding here.

I simply would say that all truth is God's truth. Moreover, science and religion have much to say about each other, when we get both right...which is the key.

ok, thats vour view.

my view is knowing Truth is beyond my nature in this life.

also i do not see link between science and religion - the former is cold empirism, the latter is not emirical, and in fact more humane - the best of religion is not tribal, but universal - but does not demand empircal proof.

--------- for me, i'll leave my fate to your God or others God/s, in this life i do not see empircal evidence that he exists, but in the next - even if i found myself in the belly of Hell - will see/know you are right, and me wrong, and affirm/reform/etc....................................

if your God is of infinate Grace, then i'll be saved, if not, oh well ;-(.

the concept that i sit in Hell forever - even after repenting of my Atheism - i do not value, i hope your God has more grace then your book says/your view of him - so i may be granted salvation from Hell itself.

if not, so be it.

i lack the nature (just a dumb ant with no knowledge of the sidewalk 2 feet away) to know your God in this life, and leave my fate to your god in the next.

you are a nice fellow, and wish you well and thanks for reply.

[Immanuel Can]

???? don't follow, i dont think you value science as the all and be all..............

so maybe we got a cross/talk missunderstanding here.

I simply would say that all truth is God's truth. Moreover, science and religion have much to say about each other, when we get both right...which is the key.

ok, thats vour view.

my view is knowing Truth is beyond my nature in this life.

Yes, that is different from my view.

if your God is of infinate Grace, then i'll be saved, if not, oh well ;-(.

Infinite grace, yes; but what of infinite holiness?

Can God be merely indulgent, and not righteous? Would such an entity even be "God"?

And what of His regard for our choice in the matter? Can He be gracious while overwhelming all our choices and forcing us to relate to Him, if perhaps we have decided in life not to relate to Him at all? Or does His regard for our identities as the free persons he created us to be entail respecting our choices of whom we relate to and whom we do not? And does it require that people be free to choose their own paths...even if that path is one He would not choose for them?

It depends on how you look at it, doesn't it?

you are a nice fellow, and wish you well and thanks for reply.

I enjoy your conversation.

[gaffo]

ok, i have a date to play my best friend - centered on drinking himself to death - at this point, i know he is dead man walking - to play some chess - 7 blocks away - i've had 9 beers so will walk. at this point i just value being with him, not into saving him - for whatever reason he cannot do so, nor can i make him - so just valuing what time i have with him.

so i must go and play chess - i'm a good player, he not so much - we were equal 20 yrs ago, but i've had my second best friend from work the last 20 yrs - 1 game at lunch for the last 20 yrs - so i''ll beat him.

but value being with him, until he dies from the drink - we had a mutual best friend that did so 22 yrsa ago ) - so know the future and expect it sadly ;-(.


will reply to your posts next weekend Sir.

[Kayla]

The followers of Islam seem to be the most violent among the three Abrahamic religions.

i will take the craziest Islamic fundamentalist over a Proud Boy any day.

[henry quirk]

The followers of Islam seem to be the most violent among the three Abrahamic religions.

i will take the craziest Islamic fundamentalist over a Proud Boy any day.

you're a *lesbian, yeah?

islamists toss ladies like you offa rooftops, or burn 'em alive in cages

but, that's after the female castration and the honor acid attack









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...I am married to a woman...

[Veritas Aequitas]

The followers of Islam seem to be the most violent among the three Abrahamic religions.

i will take the craziest Islamic fundamentalist over a Proud Boy any day.

This impulsive irrationality and stupidity.

Islamic fundamentalists had killed more than 200 million non-believers and even Muslim since in the name of Allah since Islam emerged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence





How many has the Proud Boys killed? None!
I read the Proud Boys started off as a joke and only got serious in response to the violence of Antifa. The Proud Boys has black and brown members and as such were never white supremacists.

In any case, all violence must be condemned regardless of committed by whoever.

[Averroes]

This impulsive irrationality and stupidity.

That's exactly your description. Indeed, you are stupid and a lazy parasite who does not even read the sources that you post.

Islamic fundamentalists had killed more than 200 million non-believers and even Muslim since in the name of Allah since Islam emerged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence

The Wikipedia article you referenced does not mention the "200 million" number you quoted. As a matter of fact, that article is quite interesting from a statistical point of view.

Wikipedia:

• Statistical academic studies have found that violent crime is less common among Muslim populations than among non-Muslim populations.[328][329][330][331] The average homicide rate in the Muslim world was 2.4 per 100,000, less than a third of non-Muslim countries which had an average homicide rate of 7.5 per 100,000.[332] The average homicide rate among the 19 most populous Muslim countries was 2.1 per 100,000, less than a fifth of the average homicide rate among the 19 most populous Christian countries which was 11.0 per 100,000, including 5.6 per 100,000 in the United States.[333] A negative correlation was found between a country's homicide rate and its percentage of Muslims, in contrast to a positive correlation found between a country's homicide rate and its percentage of Christians.[331] According to Professor Steven Fish: "The percentage of the society that is made up of Muslims is an extraordinarily good predictor of a country’s murder rate. More authoritarianism in Muslim countries does not account for the difference. I have found that controlling for political regime in statistical analysis does not change the findings. More Muslims, less homicide."[329][334] Professor Jerome L. Neapolitan compared low crime rates in Islamic countries to low crime in Japan, comparing the role of Islam to that of Japan's Shinto and Buddhist traditions in fostering cultures emphasizing the importance of community and social obligation, contributing to less criminal behaviour than other nations.[330]
  
  A statistical textual analysis of the Qur'an and Bible conducted by software engineer Tom Anderson in 2016, using the Odin Text analytics software, found that violence is less frequent in the Qur'an than in the Bible. According to Anderson: "Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."
  
  Gallup and Pew polls
  Polls have found Muslim-Americans to report less violent views than any other religious group in America. 89% of Muslim-Americans claimed that the killing of civilians is never justified, compared to 71% of Catholics and Protestants, 75% of Jews, and 76% of atheists and non-religious groups. When Gallup asked if it is justifiable for the military to kill civilians, the percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable were 21% among Muslims, 58% among Protestants and Catholics, 52% among Jews, and 43% among atheists.[336] Gallup in 2008 found that Palestinians held generally less violent views than Israelis, with up to 14% of Palestinians and up to 52% of Israelis saying it is sometimes justifiable to kill civilians.

According to the statistics collected and analysed by Gallup and PEW, so called "Christian" and/or "Jewish" people and countries are far more violent than any other people or countries in the world. And if you were not so stupid and lazy, you would have read your own references! But don't worry, you have been stupid and lazy for all these years, we all got used to it by now, and I think I can safely say that no one here thinks that it's going to change.

[Belinda]

The followers of Islam seem to be the most violent among the three Abrahamic religions.

i will take the craziest Islamic fundamentalist over a Proud Boy any day.

you're a *lesbian, yeah?

islamists toss ladies like you offa rooftops, or burn 'em alive in cages

but, that's after the female castration and the honor acid attack









*

...I am married to a woman...

Islamists and right wing gangs are both wrong because they are both intolerant of people who don't think like them.

[Immanuel Can]

right wing gangs

People talk a lot about "right wing gangs."

Where are they? I never see any. The major news networks are far left; you would anticipate that they would put up film of every horror show this alleged "right wing" gang commits, just to incense the public. Yet they never do. I never run into them on the street, they have zero presence politically, it seems. No party or platform represents them, it seems...

Where are they? If they're around, let's do something about them. But we can't find them. Biden said something about "Proud Boys." But it seems the PB's are led by a black Cuban immigrant, and include people of all races. So they don't fit.

What we can find is lots of Lefties talking about such "gangs," and tons of Lefties looting, burning, and beating people up...and even the Lefty news shows lots of that. But we can't find these "right wing gangs."

Where are they, B?

[henry quirk]

i will take the craziest Islamic fundamentalist over a Proud Boy any day.

you're a *lesbian, yeah?

islamists toss ladies like you offa rooftops, or burn 'em alive in cages

but, that's after the female castration and the honor acid attack


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...I am married to a woman...

Islamists and right wing gangs are both wrong because they are both intolerant of people who don't think like them.

seems to me: if joe hates lesbians, but leaves 'em be, he's exercising' toleration

seems to me: if mustafa hates lesbians, and burns 'em up, he's not exercisin' toleration

[Belinda]

you're a *lesbian, yeah?

islamists toss ladies like you offa rooftops, or burn 'em alive in cages

but, that's after the female castration and the honor acid attack


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Islamists and right wing gangs are both wrong because they are both intolerant of people who don't think like them.

seems to me: if joe hates lesbians, but leaves 'em be, he's exercising' toleration

seems to me: if mustafa hates lesbians, and burns 'em up, he's not exercisin' toleration

Yellow thumbs up .

[henry quirk]

to make type : thumbsup : minus the spaces between colons and t & p

[Belinda]

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[henry quirk]

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you got it...