What causes muslims to be violent

[gaffo]

Socialists think Socialism arises out of goodness of heart.

they're an arrogant lot

their hearts bleed, so everyone's hearts should bleed equally

they identify the needy, so everyone should fall in line with the same assessment

they disburse their resources, so everyone should disburse their resources equally

friggin' well-intentioned, tyrants



I think genuine compassion doesn't kill people. What do you think?

genuine compassion is individual & voluntary; is offered, never forced; is humble, never arrogant

charity, real charity, is a blessing; the faux-charity of the socialist is not

fully dissagree with you view of soclalism - but thats ok, we both understand our Constitution.

no wish to debate your view verse mine per socialism - it would be folly, your view is opposite from mine. welcome disscusion of our Constitution, but suspect we both are fully in agreement here.

peace to ya Henry.

[Immanuel Can]

I can't see that Socialism fits that bill at all. It fails all three of your tests.

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and France are doing well enough. in spite of their Socialism - lol.

None of them is actually Socialist. They have some distributive policies that swing Socialist, but their economic engines are Capitalist, through and through. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7wgS5tdz4&t=126s and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerkGUx-2V4. There are a whole lot more like this, if you care.

[gaffo]

Socialists think Socialism arises out of goodness of heart.

they're an arrogant lot

their hearts bleed, so everyone's hearts should bleed equally

they identify the needy, so everyone should fall in line with the same assessment

they disburse their resources, so everyone should disburse their resources equally

friggin' well-intentioned, tyrants



I think genuine compassion doesn't kill people. What do you think?

genuine compassion is individual & voluntary; is offered, never forced; is humble, never arrogant

charity, real charity, is a blessing; the faux-charity of the socialist is not

Fair distribution of goods is not all about altruism or sentimentality. Fair distribution of goods will not happen unless there is religious or secular law that ensures it will happen. Civilisation depends upon some sort of fair distribution. Fair distribution originates in law, either religious law or secular law or both.

yep, roman citizenship granting powers to one over a non-citizen for example in Jesus' time.

Jesus was not a Roman citizen, so as a jewish essene was killed by the romans for insurrection.

Saul being a Roman citizen was allowed an appeal to the emporor, and so instead of being killed in Syria, as Jesus would have been, was allowed to be transported to Rome, have his trial, then via guilty verdict beheaded in Rome in 69 AD.

[gaffo]

I can't see that Socialism fits that bill at all. It fails all three of your tests.

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and France are doing well enough. in spite of their Socialism - lol.

None of them is actually Socialist. They have some distributive policies that swing Socialist, but their economic engines are Capitalist, through and through. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7wgS5tdz4&t=126s and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerkGUx-2V4. There are a whole lot more like this, if you care.

ok, if you say so, I'm not tied to "Socalism" per say, and if my take on it is not what they have, fine.

i wish my America could be more like those nations - have to remove Citizens united (thanks Alito) first, but will not happen, 1-pecenters rule America and the american public have lost faith in their voice (they know longer really have one - but are also ignorant of history, and do not love it and my Constitition and what is lost). and why Trump was elected the first time.

my nation is fucked, its that simple,and Joe ave, lost faith in the System 20 yrs ago (Bush Jr with is illegal Tragnam war was the final nail - and "The media" that went along with the sham, instead of being the "4th estate" and doing the job to call out that sham instead!).

America is too far gone now, we are fucked.

with our decay of empire, will be the obvous, China the next empire (Chinese - good folks - had 2 best friends from there in college - utterly nonpolitical though - sadly and why XI is able to rule there) - so i do not see the Chinese Joe Ave reforming their gov and saving the world from global facism via china in 2100.

only hope are the Indians - though they have Modi - another Trump and so have backslid, my hope is the bigger picture, the indians have a love for Enlightenment concepts/rule of law via their prior Brit colonialism - so in the best of all possible worlds we might have an India, as a global power in 2100 - limiting that of China and on behalf of fallen-former empires of Europe/America/Austrialia/etc.............

it really is up to the Indians - they - unlike the Chinese have an education and appreciation of Western ideals - politically (not religously of course) - either they stand up or fall and affirm Modi the worst of their phyche (Buddist nationalism).

[gaffo]

BTW this thread is about Islam, nothing outside of it.

so lets talk about Islam and the 5 sects of.

ok?

[gaffo]

in the USA I imagine there would be less corruption if the separate States were more autonomous, as the dealings would be more open to public scrutiny. is that what you mean?

I affirm States Right (not in the way White Supremists did in defending their Jim Crow 50 yrs ago). as a valid hedge on federal powers.

sadly, since the last 20 yrs, our State Legislatures have become bought out by Lobbyi$ts - hey $$ is speech! amen to Citizens United!

amen, so now State's Rights no longer serve the original purpose of limiting federal powers, instead they are fully on board to the latter's power play.

all praise the 1-percenters!

[gaffo]

Fair distribution of goods...

Exactly what does "fair" distribution of goods mean?

it means taxing the top 10 percent 70 percent as they were in the 70's. to provide for pubic services (since trickle-down is false)

not the current 30 percent.

[gaffo]

nope

you often answer more positively.

no, I answer more fully: you make me tired and uncommunicative...an endless merry-go-round with you, and folks like you...I don't feel like playin' today...I'm sure you, and others, feel the same, about me, from time to time

lol, ok.

lets talk about our Constitution, something i know you love, as do i.

lets talk about it!

[gaffo]

He never complained of social unfairness, never overthrew the tyrannical Roman state, never started a political movement, never redistributed people's possessions

refer to the didache, and why to you think he was killed by the Romans?!!!!!!!!!!

for championing the above! thats why! Jesus was an Essene Jewish Nationalist.

Rome killed him for insurrection.

just like Sparticus and thousands of others before him.

[gaffo]

But the local and historical Palestine specifics of scale and politics which of Jesus was aware were ephemeral.

Interesting.

The Bible says He knew His own future

only via Gospel of John.

read Mark, in it he does not understand why he must die for the bigger picture (which he does not see), and is a human with fears for his life.

unlike via John where the "Same" Jesus knows all and has no fear - robot.

and why i like Mark's Jesus, as a man like me with limited understanding - so i relate to Mark's Jesus,and feel for his Jesus.

unlike John's where i do not relate to Jesus, nor care - just being honest here.

[gaffo]

the genesis story is all about knowing the True Name of things

Apparently not. For got gave to man the authority to name the animals, and didn't just say, "Guess what their real name is."

i stated that YHWH granted Adam to name the animals - so to name, imprint the true name of - for dominian over.

my prior post was clear on this - you missread my reply, i know you are a good man, so do not attribute malice, you just did not note my prior reply.

Certainly. Moral responsibility, and the intelligence and status associated with it, are never attributed to animals at all.

as humble humans we can assume your Religion - Western, does not even consider the nature of animals, and Eastern ones do so via man.

so all religions are limited in not addressing the nature/morality of animals. Eastern ones only include them via punishment of mens acts on earth via prior life.

As for Hinduism, reincarnation is just not scientifically tenable, for other reasons as well. One reason is that it requires a cyclical, eternal timeline. But time is empirically linear. It has a definite beginning and end. So do we all.

lets not get into the science game, which is all about the obsevable, it has nothing to with spirituality, nor should it.

so science dissproves evidence of reincarnation (I agree! - maybe you forgot i am an Athiest - that means i am per all religions - via emirical/lack of evidence of your God YHWH, or Vishnu via the Hindus).

my point - this whole fucking time is that Eastern Religions do have a mindset about the Animals and their nature, while your Religion does not!

i'm an equal rejector of all religions - unless you can show me God in front of me - Easthern or Western.


thanks for reply..............i guess, even if you seemed to have missed my point.

[gaffo]

what make the Constitutional Monarchy so great? verse say my Nation's mantra of my Constitution?

Nobody said it was great. It's just a lot greater than Communism.

ok, let talk!
i value talk, as i think you do.

so lets talk about your Constitutional Monarchy and why you think it is good.

I'm here to learn not for invective, as i think you understand, so i welcome schooling on CM.

if i may ask, do you know about the Canadian GG *Gov General" in Canada and his Insription of Canadians for WW1)???

asking the same per 30 yrs later via "Frazier"(sp) - Ausies asuming they were independant, until they found they were not so.

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I'm just a dumb american, and maybe do not know history was well as one of the Commonwealth.

if so, i welcome correction.

i welcome discourse and education - both way of course - you are not Veg, maybe i know more about history of the Commonwealth than you do - though you are one of and me not one of................not saying that is so.............i leave that over your ego upon.

but welcome dissucussion about Canadian Governer General/Ausie Fraser (was that his name?)- from one good man to another, for mutual education of history.


thanks for reply, i've always liked you as a person, so welcome talk.

[Immanuel Can]

As for Hinduism, reincarnation is just not scientifically tenable, for other reasons as well. One reason is that it requires a cyclical, eternal timeline. But time is empirically linear. It has a definite beginning and end. So do we all.

lets not get into the science game, which is all about the obsevable, it has nothing to with spirituality, nor should it.

I have to disagree with that.

thanks for reply..............i guess, even if you seemed to have missed my point.

Perhaps so.

My fault, then.

[gaffo]

I have to disagree with that.

???? don't follow, i dont think you value science as the all and be all..............

so maybe we got a cross/talk missunderstanding here.

[Immanuel Can]

I have to disagree with that.

???? don't follow, i dont think you value science as the all and be all..............

so maybe we got a cross/talk missunderstanding here.

I simply would say that all truth is God's truth. Moreover, science and religion have much to say about each other, when we get both right...which is the key.