Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

[gaffo]

A racist ideology would be MORE LIKELY to allow a black person to convert:

utter nonesense - if you wish to talk about Wabbism, fine, but its not racist, unlike Nazism.

and yes there is too much hate from them WRt to Jews, but its not due to the Jews being so via their Blood, but because of 1948 and the birth of Israel.

as you should know, jews lived in peace, as 2nd class citizens under the Ottomans for a millinia, its only within this last century - all political - since the creation of the State of Israel, the fundie Muslims got their panties in a bunch.

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now if you can show me - via a link from a Fundie Muslim, that Jews cannot convert to Islam, due to their blood, then you shall have won the agruement.

otherwise, you got nothing and are wrong!


Islam is not a Racist Theology, wrong, sexist, etc.............but not racist.

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[Greatest I am]

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Are all being oppressed at the moment or mostly colored and poor?

You diminish the problem by trying to make the oppression seem universal, when it is not and is directed to the non-whites.

Your poor thinking is why the extreme right will disappear, as it should.

The right preaches the most love, and hates the most.

Not surprising when their god of love, expresses that love with genocide, homophobia and misogyny.

Regards
DL

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Are all being oppressed at the moment or mostly colored and poor?

You diminish the problem by trying to make the oppression seem universal, when it is not and is directed to the non-whites.

Your poor thinking is why the extreme right will disappear, as it should.

The right preaches the most love, and hates the most.

Not surprising when their god of love, expresses that love with genocide, homophobia and misogyny.

Regards
DL

tell me about genocide from the party of Andrew Jackson

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[Sculptor]

Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

You?

Regards
DL

No. It's all vanity.
The simple fact is that the +ve and the -ve are different sides of the same coin.
If you count your tribe as good, and exclusive, and exceptional, then ipso facto you are excluding and denigrating those from other tribes.
It is not possible to favour one tribe without discrimination, and that +ve discrimination is the same thing as -ve discrimination of others.

Democrats and other left leaning parties should heed this, as they continue to wallow in identity politics rather than tackle the real issues of poverty, homelessness, unemployment, discrimination, and inequality.
If you append a group name to each of these things that is when you begin to loose the battles. eg Black poverty, Female inequality, minority homelessness.
This is a process of alienation, which pits sub cultures against one another for dwindling resources.

[Greatest I am]

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Are all being oppressed at the moment or mostly colored and poor?

You diminish the problem by trying to make the oppression seem universal, when it is not and is directed to the non-whites.

Your poor thinking is why the extreme right will disappear, as it should.

The right preaches the most love, and hates the most.

Not surprising when their god of love, expresses that love with genocide, homophobia and misogyny.

Regards
DL

tell me about genocide from the party of Andrew Jackson

-Imp

Why compare a man who cannot cure as easily as kill to a vile Yahweh who can do just that, yet does not ever do the god like thing of curing instead of killing.

Apples and oranges, unless you see men as gods.

Thanks for the deflection. It says a lot.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

You?

Regards
DL

No. It's all vanity.
The simple fact is that the +ve and the -ve are different sides of the same coin.
If you count your tribe as good, and exclusive, and exceptional, then ipso facto you are excluding and denigrating those from other tribes.
It is not possible to favour one tribe without discrimination, and that +ve discrimination is the same thing as -ve discrimination of others.

Democrats and other left leaning parties should heed this, as they continue to wallow in identity politics rather than tackle the real issues of poverty, homelessness, unemployment, discrimination, and inequality.
If you append a group name to each of these things that is when you begin to loose the battles. eg Black poverty, Female inequality, minority homelessness.
This is a process of alienation, which pits sub cultures against one another for dwindling resources.

I liked your thinking till you polarized and showed how far into identity politics.

Use a mirror and see who you are critiquing. Mind you, I see taking a side as the good part of how you use tribalism.

Fellowship with the right side of an issue is good.

If that fellowship is less worthy than the negatives, you show it's value by you choosing a side.

Regards
DL

[Sculptor]

I agree with this to a point except that it is used by people who do not give a flying fuck that black people are getting summarily executed in vastly greater numbers than white.
I'm not fooled by the image of happy shiny people.
Don't be taken in by this it HANNITY FFS
Whilst I am attracted to the message as I think that ethnic division needs wiping, I am aware that anti-black racism is institutionalised (esp in the police) in many areas of the US and this is creeping towards the UK.

A young black male relative of a friend of mine was on his way back from buying a birthday bicycle with his dad, decided to ride it home. He was viciously pulled of the bike by a gang of five policemen that threw him against a wall and publicly humiliated him, by forming a wall around him. As they searched him that abused him by grabbing is penis and balls and backside.
This was the boy's first ever encounter with the police.
He was traumatised.
He was racially targeted for crossing an area of Streatham which had been zoned as gangland. As the zone was about to expire the police decided to stop and search as many as possible, indiscriminately before the deadline.

These sort of incidents are more frequent. Policing is making no impact on gang crime and it is hard to see how this approach is going to demonstrate a positive image of policing.

[Sculptor]

Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

You?

Regards
DL

No. It's all vanity.
The simple fact is that the +ve and the -ve are different sides of the same coin.
If you count your tribe as good, and exclusive, and exceptional, then ipso facto you are excluding and denigrating those from other tribes.
It is not possible to favour one tribe without discrimination, and that +ve discrimination is the same thing as -ve discrimination of others.

Democrats and other left leaning parties should heed this, as they continue to wallow in identity politics rather than tackle the real issues of poverty, homelessness, unemployment, discrimination, and inequality.
If you append a group name to each of these things that is when you begin to loose the battles. eg Black poverty, Female inequality, minority homelessness.
This is a process of alienation, which pits sub cultures against one another for dwindling resources.

I liked your thinking till you polarized and showed how far into identity politics.

Use a mirror and see who you are critiquing. Mind you, I see taking a side as the good part of how you use tribalism.

Fellowship with the right side of an issue is good.

If that fellowship is less worthy than the negatives, you show it's value by you choosing a side.

Regards
DL

What do you think identity politics is except tribalism?
You mention "fellowship", what about the Fellowship of the Human Species?
Everything below that is discrimination.

[Greatest I am]

No. It's all vanity.
The simple fact is that the +ve and the -ve are different sides of the same coin.
If you count your tribe as good, and exclusive, and exceptional, then ipso facto you are excluding and denigrating those from other tribes.
It is not possible to favour one tribe without discrimination, and that +ve discrimination is the same thing as -ve discrimination of others.

Democrats and other left leaning parties should heed this, as they continue to wallow in identity politics rather than tackle the real issues of poverty, homelessness, unemployment, discrimination, and inequality.
If you append a group name to each of these things that is when you begin to loose the battles. eg Black poverty, Female inequality, minority homelessness.
This is a process of alienation, which pits sub cultures against one another for dwindling resources.

I liked your thinking till you polarized and showed how far into identity politics.

Use a mirror and see who you are critiquing. Mind you, I see taking a side as the good part of how you use tribalism.

Fellowship with the right side of an issue is good.

If that fellowship is less worthy than the negatives, you show it's value by you choosing a side.

Regards
DL

What do you think identity politics is except tribalism?
You mention "fellowship", what about the Fellowship of the Human Species?
Everything below that is discrimination.

A sage put it this way.

Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me and my brother and cousin against the stranger.

We are all competing to be the fittest and competition is good, but I agree that we should try to mitigate our negative discrimination, especially now when our planet needs a united people to make the changes that will stop our extinction.

I agree with your view, but how do we have our instincts seek the largest and safest tribe which is now the whole human race.

Spaceship Earth needs a Captain, yet thew world wishes to stay with a bunch of squabbling Captains who will not elect a real Captain.

Regards
DL

[Sculptor]

I liked your thinking till you polarized and showed how far into identity politics.

Use a mirror and see who you are critiquing. Mind you, I see taking a side as the good part of how you use tribalism.

Fellowship with the right side of an issue is good.

If that fellowship is less worthy than the negatives, you show it's value by you choosing a side.

Regards
DL

What do you think identity politics is except tribalism?
You mention "fellowship", what about the Fellowship of the Human Species?
Everything below that is discrimination.

A sage put it this way.

Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me and my brother and cousin against the stranger.

We are all competing to be the fittest and competition is good, but I agree that we should try to mitigate our negative discrimination, especially now when our planet needs a united people to make the changes that will stop our extinction.

I agree with your view, but how do we have our instincts seek the largest and safest tribe which is now the whole human race.

Spaceship Earth needs a Captain, yet thew world wishes to stay with a bunch of squabbling Captains who will not elect a real Captain.

Regards
DL

We need to start by electing ourselves as captains of our own destiny, and accepting that no one is lesser nor greater than anyone else.

[Greatest I am]

What do you think identity politics is except tribalism?
You mention "fellowship", what about the Fellowship of the Human Species?
Everything below that is discrimination.

A sage put it this way.

Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me and my brother and cousin against the stranger.

We are all competing to be the fittest and competition is good, but I agree that we should try to mitigate our negative discrimination, especially now when our planet needs a united people to make the changes that will stop our extinction.

I agree with your view, but how do we have our instincts seek the largest and safest tribe which is now the whole human race.

Spaceship Earth needs a Captain, yet thew world wishes to stay with a bunch of squabbling Captains who will not elect a real Captain.

Regards
DL

We need to start by electing ourselves as captains of our own destiny, and accepting that no one is lesser nor greater than anyone else.

If we were all born equal, I would agree, but we are not.

Some are more fit than others and someone is the fittest.

Equal birth does not give equal outcomes and it is our tribal duty to elect the best of the best.

To say that our leaders are equal, especially given Trump as compared to Obama, would not be an intelligent comparison, regardless of your political affiliation.

Regards
DL

[Sculptor]

A sage put it this way.

Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me and my brother and cousin against the stranger.

We are all competing to be the fittest and competition is good, but I agree that we should try to mitigate our negative discrimination, especially now when our planet needs a united people to make the changes that will stop our extinction.

I agree with your view, but how do we have our instincts seek the largest and safest tribe which is now the whole human race.

Spaceship Earth needs a Captain, yet thew world wishes to stay with a bunch of squabbling Captains who will not elect a real Captain.

Regards
DL

We need to start by electing ourselves as captains of our own destiny, and accepting that no one is lesser nor greater than anyone else.

If we were all born equal, I would agree, but we are not.

I never pegged you as a fascist.
Which tribes are better than others then?
How do you feel about black people?
It's not relevant that we are not born equal.
No one should suffer from fewer or lesser rights just because they are deemed better or worse than another.
You make the most childish mistake on the issue of equality.
Promoting equality does not pretend that we are born equal or that we are the same.
It means that we ought to be treated evenhandedly regardless of of race creed or colour

Some are more fit than others and someone is the fittest.

Equal birth does not give equal outcomes and it is our tribal duty to elect the best of the best.

To say that our leaders are equal, especially given Trump as compared to Obama, would not be an intelligent comparison, regardless of your political affiliation.

Regards
DL

[Nick_A]

Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

The moment we follow our selfish gene’s love bias of tribalism and racism for our own kind and color, we create a hate bias for all other kinds and colors.

Negative racism is born in us from our love of our own kind and color. It is natural and normal for the human species.

We are born the fittest of our line. It follows that nature would have it no other way for us as individual animals but to think of ourselves as the best. Nature always creates for the best possible end and for each of us and our genetic line, something like us is the best.

Tribalism/racism has a dual nature. Good parts and evil parts. Mostly good but it is hell when the uglier negative racist side is in play.

We are racist because we know that reality favors the survival of the fittest. That is what we are in our genetic lines; even the most unfit of us, when compared to the average or above average.

We mostly negatively express our tribalism/racism with violence, even to war and rebellion. The less profitable way to gain the upper hand as compared to trading. Check human history.

We are heading for violence in the U.S thanks to the oppression of too many groups. Blacks, natives, women, gays and all other groups that are oppressed unjustly are beginning to unite into a large group that will no longer be cowed. If nothing changes after peaceful means are tried, violence is bound to happen.

We must live in tribes as we are not in any way born free. That is the good part of tribalism, even as it holds the evil racism part within.

The evil part is using violence against those who are not in our own in groups. That is of course what we whites have been doing to non-whites for a long time now in North America.

It is good to be tribal and loyal to our colors and tribes.

It is foolish to not have the battle of the colors not shift to acceptance instead of hating others and bringing violence to all.

Black to white, all our own genetic lines, have shown that they too are the fittest for their color.

To kill or trade are the only ways to take advantage of each other in terms of control. Good competition without killing or oppressing each other is the ethical way forwards.

I see this as what being civilized is all about, and the best way for tribes, black to white, to co-exist in peace.

You?

Regards
DL

Nothing can change in a secular world if for no other reason than prestige is the motivating factor. The one concept you left out of your fine OP is the concept of humility. It may not exist in a secular world motivated by prestige but is a potential for evolved humanity. Simone Weil explains.

"The combination of these two facts — the longing in the depth of the heart for absolute good, and the power, though only latent, of directing attention and love to a reality beyond the world and of receiving good from it — constitutes a link which attaches every man without exception to that other reality.

Whoever recognizes that reality recognizes also that link. Because of it, he holds every human being without any exception as something sacred to which he is bound to show respect.

This is the only possible motive for universal respect towards all human beings. Whatever formulation of belief or disbelief a man may choose to make, if his heart inclines him to feel this respect, then he in fact also recognizes a reality other than this world's reality. Whoever in fact does not feel this respect is alien to that other reality also."

If all the races realized that they had a piece of the puzzle leading in the inner psychological direction that when united becomes MAN, it is natural to experience humility. So instead of arguing which race is superior it is logical to assume we are all idiots with the need to feel the quality of "meaning" not originating from our earth. The races have to feel the logic of humility in the context of human potential.

Humility and the awareness of our Source is impossible for an increasingly secular world including secularized religion so without this awareness of the sacred, the struggle for prestige rules the day.

[Greatest I am]

We need to start by electing ourselves as captains of our own destiny, and accepting that no one is lesser nor greater than anyone else.

If we were all born equal, I would agree, but we are not.

I never pegged you as a fascist.
Which tribes are better than others then?
How do you feel about black people?
It's not relevant that we are not born equal.
No one should suffer from fewer or lesser rights just because they are deemed better or worse than another.
You make the most childish mistake on the issue of equality.
Promoting equality does not pretend that we are born equal or that we are the same.
It means that we ought to be treated evenhandedly regardless of of race creed or colour

Some are more fit than others and someone is the fittest.

Equal birth does not give equal outcomes and it is our tribal duty to elect the best of the best.

To say that our leaders are equal, especially given Trump as compared to Obama, would not be an intelligent comparison, regardless of your political affiliation.

Regards
DL

We were talking individuals, not political factions, but of course, some political systems are better than others.

Check the happiness stats and see how low some regimes. like the U.S. system, produce less happiness than, let's say Canada and some of the Northern E.U. nations.

Regards
DL