P=P is a Contradiction

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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:22 pm You wrote, "What a stupid article."
OK you can disagree with Einstein's Relativity. But it has been confirmed many times.
Quantum Physics has also been confirmed many times.

Quantum Physics disagrees with Einstein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_time
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you wrote'
A contradiction requires same NOW."
YES! And a contradiction also requires the same general place.
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:24 pm YES! And a contradiction also requires the same general place.
So you are agreeing then, that the "law" of non-contradiction is a stupid law in a universe in which contradictions are impossible?

It's like the law of non-unicorns.
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So you are saying that napoleon thought he was living in the past?
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:25 pm So you are saying that napoleon thought he was living in the past?
I am not saying anything like that. You are necessarily saying it by appealing to block time.

You can't tell the difference between "past" and "future" inside the block.
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You wrote,"So you are agreeing then, that the "law" of non-contradiction is a stupid law in a universe in which contradictions are impossible?"
I would say that square circles do not exist. Is that a smart law? A stupid law? No, its just the way it is.
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:27 pm I would say that square circles do not exist
They do exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicab_geometry#Circles

raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:27 pm . Is that a smart law? A stupid law? No, its just the way it is.
It's not "the way it is". It's just an axiom.

It is what it's defined to be.
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I did not say that. I am saying that my future is relative to me. Napoleon was future to Jesus but past to me.
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:28 pm I did not say that. I am saying that my future is relative to me. Napoleon was future to Jesus but past to me.
Perfect. So you do recognize "past" and "future"

Because the block universe doesn't.
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post a link to a picture of a square circle.
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:29 pm post a link to a picture of a square circle.
I did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicab_geometry#Circles

Next thing you are going to tell me "that's not a square circle".
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"Perfect. So you do recognize "past" and "future"

Because the block universe doesn't."
????? NO! The block universe says that future and past are relative to the observer. Napoleon is in the past relative to me but future to jesus.
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Suppose I said that Detroit is west of New Your and east of San Francisco. Would you object and say that I am implying that east and west do not exist?
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:30 pm ????? NO! The block universe says that future and past are relative to the observer. Napoleon is in the past relative to me but future to jesus.
There you go interpreting it incorrectly again.

The block universe says the future and the past is encoded in the block.

Relative to any point INSIDE the block there's no clear notion of which way "the future" is.

Is it up? Down?
Left? Right?
Forward? Backward?
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raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:32 pm Suppose I said that Detroit is west of New Your and east of San Francisco. Would you object and say that I am implying that east and west do not exist?
The opposite is also true if you go the other way. That's how spheres work.
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