henry quirk" I'm the observer & observed (just like you and him and her...)
Dualistically speaking yes within the illusory dream of separation aka identification with THOUGHT which is past tense. Not real or applicable to the ever present here and now, the only real reality that is self standing.
There’s no & in reality...there’s no I’m...these are just thoughts which are empty images of the image less aka the observer..
Thoughts are appearances of which are surrounded by the empty nothingness in which they are sourced.
This so called real reality full of material objects have no more substance than that of a nightly dream or a movie on a tv screen.
This so called real reality full of material objects have no more substance than that of a nightly dream or a movie on a tv screen.
An anecdote I relayed elsewhere in-forum...
I knew a smart guy who, after a few drinks, would rant about the illusory nature of reality. One of his favorite points was how matter is mostly empty space. I'd let him rant for a bit then smack my hand down hard on the table and say seems pretty fuckin' solid to me.
The quantum scale is spooky, but ours -- call it the human scale -- not so much.
You seem to be sayin' the spooky scale trumps, or is more real than, the human one.
I say the spooky scale is no more or less real or fundamental than the human scale or the planetary scale or the solar system scale or the galactic scale or the universal scale.
The table truly is mostly empty and pretty fuckin' solid both at the same time.
Henry, the light that sees nightly dream images is the same light that sees, feels, experiences the sensation of being consciously alive...which is just another dream.
Reality is built purely from sound and light, that cannot be seen, only known...reality is this mysterious knowing.
AlexW wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:54 pm
The person is like these footprints in the snow, it is the past, only awareness stands here/now.
I like that ..
Reminds me of this...
nothing (no thing) exists’ if by a ‘thing’ we mean something existing in its own right in time and space. However, the substance of all apparent things, does not exist, but rather is eternally, that is, not ‘forever’ in time, but always now.
This is what Parmenides meant when he said, ‘That which is never ceases to be. That which is not never comes into existence’
Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:30 am
But the problem is, you are awareness, and the imprint awareness leaves is nothing, so if what you are observing is stillness, or the sense of space, you might be on your trail, but even these are subtle observations, not to be confused with what you really are, which is awareness.
I like what you said, nice post!
Only thing I would question is the imprint „left behind“... as I see it this imprint is not nothing, it is thought, memory to be more accurate. The more awareness is focussed on thought, the more footsteps it will leave behind in the snow on the path travelled.
This doesn’t mean that these imprints are what you truely are, they are what you left behind and what will eventually be considered to be the individual person.
The person is like these footprints in the snow, it is the past, only awareness stands here/now.
That’s a nice analogy, “look for your own footprints in the snow”.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:38 pmThis so called real reality full of material objects have no more substance than that of a nightly dream or a movie on a tv screen.
An anecdote I relayed elsewhere in-forum...
I knew a smart guy who, after a few drinks, would rant about the illusory nature of reality. One of his favorite points was how matter is mostly empty space. I'd let him rant for a bit then smack my hand down hard on the table and say seems pretty fuckin' solid to me.
The quantum scale is spooky, but ours -- call it the human scale -- not so much.
You seem to be sayin' the spooky scale trumps, or is more real than, the human one.
I say the spooky scale is no more or less real or fundamental than the human scale or the planetary scale or the solar system scale or the galactic scale or the universal scale.
The table truly is mostly empty and pretty fuckin' solid both at the same time.
Scale & perspective.
That’s a zen insight actually. Hard to deny things when they smack you in the face. Even the “illusion” is convincing enough to cause you pain. And this illusion seems to have direct and logical consequences, a consistency, compared to most dreams. When we wake from this dream, we don’t wake into another world, but only realise the stories we told ourselves about it were imagined.
Dimebag wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:01 pm
That’s a nice analogy, “look for your own footprints in the snow”.
But the idea is to leave no footprints then?
Well... not really, its more about seeing that they are just footprints, just thoughts, nothing more... and that, in reality, here/now, there is no separate one leaving or owning them.
I think as long as this body/mind functions it will leave footprints, its only a matter of realising that they are not your true nature.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:38 pmThis so called real reality full of material objects have no more substance than that of a nightly dream or a movie on a tv screen.
An anecdote I relayed elsewhere in-forum...
I knew a smart guy who, after a few drinks, would rant about the illusory nature of reality. One of his favorite points was how matter is mostly empty space. I'd let him rant for a bit then smack my hand down hard on the table and say seems pretty fuckin' solid to me.
The quantum scale is spooky, but ours -- call it the human scale -- not so much.
You seem to be sayin' the spooky scale trumps, or is more real than, the human one.
I say the spooky scale is no more or less real or fundamental than the human scale or the planetary scale or the solar system scale or the galactic scale or the universal scale.
The table truly is mostly empty and pretty fuckin' solid both at the same time.
Scale & perspective.
That’s a zen insight actually. Hard to deny things when they smack you in the face. Even the “illusion” is convincing enough to cause you pain. And this illusion seems to have direct and logical consequences, a consistency, compared to most dreams. When we wake from this dream, we don’t wake into another world, but only realise the stories we told ourselves about it were imagined.
that's my point: this is no dream or illusion...it's Reality
henry quirk wrote: ↑This so called real reality full of material objects have no more substance than that of a nightly dream or a movie on a tv screen.
An anecdote I relayed elsewhere in-forum...
I knew a smart guy who, after a few drinks, would rant about the illusory nature of reality. One of his favorite points was how matter is mostly empty space. I'd let him rant for a bit then smack my hand down hard on the table and say seems pretty fuckin' solid to me.
The quantum scale is spooky, but ours -- call it the human scale -- not so much.
You seem to be sayin' the spooky scale trumps, or is more real than, the human one.
I say the spooky scale is no more or less real or fundamental than the human scale or the planetary scale or the solar system scale or the galactic scale or the universal scale.
The table truly is mostly empty and pretty fuckin' solid both at the same time.
Scale & perspective.
That’s a zen insight actually. Hard to deny things when they smack you in the face. Even the “illusion” is convincing enough to cause you pain. And this illusion seems to have direct and logical consequences, a consistency, compared to most dreams. When we wake from this dream, we don’t wake into another world, but only realise the stories we told ourselves about it were imagined.
that's my point: this is no dream or illusion...it's Reality
Yes, but the reality is, who you thought you were in the dream was a lie, you are much larger. Your own self concept confines your reality to the boundaries it conceived and believes. Does that make much sense to you? Just as in the movie ‘the matrix’ neo believed he was Thomas Anderson, when he wakes up, he realises all the things he thought about himself were just a story. When John smith plays king Lear, he has to get into character, but afterwards he still acts like king Lear, so it is with our ego identity. You can be free of the king Lear identity, by seeing that it’s like a costume you put on and when you do you fully embody the character, but when you take it off you are so happy and free to be John Smith, mr nobody. It sounds crazy unless it happens to you.
