Trump - a puzzling enigma

[henry quirk]

Can't you see that calling Trump "mentally-challenged liar" is just an unsupported ad hom attack.

I would call it a scientific fact verifiable by observation. Is it not obvious? I can think of nobody of whom it is more obviously true.

The American ideal is freedom from government and the freedom to choose life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

For Americans, at the expense of everybody else.

I'll stick with Trump and his defense of the qualities necessary to sustain liberty.

Well, it seems one can fool some people some of the time.

So, Mr. J: how much time do you spend with ORANGE MAN?

[henry quirk]

Hey Nick... we all have things we notice... and you don't need to tell me what to discuss. I notice that Trump is a mentally-challenged liar. I think that is important to recognize and discuss since he is the President of a country.

America is ALL OF US... many perspectives... many agendas. No, Trump does not defend that. He divides that. He is for himself -- he wants to rule without being accountable or challenged -- and he does not represent America.

Can't you see that calling Trump "mentally-challenged liar" is just an unsupported ad hom attack

There are certain ideals and principles that must be supported for the sake of liberty. A secure vote and protection against fraud is one example. Trump wants a voter picture ID. The left is against it. Trump wants a secure border. The left is against it. School choice is essential to protect students from governmental indoctrination. The left is against it

The American ideal is freedom from government and the freedom to choose life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The government for the left takes the place of freedom and decides, like it or not, what your happiness is.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Reagan Aug. 12, 1986 ...

I'll stick with Trump and his defense of the qualities necessary to sustain liberty.

Even through economic disaster due to Corona response effects?

Specifically: what should ORANGE MAN have done to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do right now to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do to fight the economic malaise caused by lockdowns and restrictions?

[Lacewing]

Can't you see that calling Trump "mentally-challenged liar" is just an unsupported ad hom attack

Can't you see that it's well-supported truth?

Aside from being obvious to anyone who doesn't have a psychological need to be blind to it, as well as blinded by it, countless people (even those he selected for his administration and those in his own family) have been fully aware of, and commented on, Trump's mental state and lying for years. JUST ONE such instance: In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts discussed and explored his mental state and symptoms, arguing that, "in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality."

His lies are continually recorded and challenged by people across all political platforms and around the world. Regardless of whether you WANT to believe him, he IS obviously a liar.

What is the payoff for you in denying what's obvious and pretending otherwise?

[Nick_A]

Hey Nick... we all have things we notice... and you don't need to tell me what to discuss. I notice that Trump is a mentally-challenged liar. I think that is important to recognize and discuss since he is the President of a country.

America is ALL OF US... many perspectives... many agendas. No, Trump does not defend that. He divides that. He is for himself -- he wants to rule without being accountable or challenged -- and he does not represent America.

Can't you see that calling Trump "mentally-challenged liar" is just an unsupported ad hom attack

There are certain ideals and principles that must be supported for the sake of liberty. A secure vote and protection against fraud is one example. Trump wants a voter picture ID. The left is against it. Trump wants a secure border. The left is against it. School choice is essential to protect students from governmental indoctrination. The left is against it

The American ideal is freedom from government and the freedom to choose life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The government for the left takes the place of freedom and decides, like it or not, what your happiness is.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - President Reagan Aug. 12, 1986 ...

I'll stick with Trump and his defense of the qualities necessary to sustain liberty.

Even through economic disaster due to Corona response effects?

It is up to the state governors to shut down local business. Trump can't do it. If you want to complain how democrat governors have abused citizens for political purposes, then I'll agree with you.

[Nick_A]

Can't you see that calling Trump "mentally-challenged liar" is just an unsupported ad hom attack

Can't you see that it's well-supported truth?

Aside from being obvious to anyone who doesn't have a psychological need to be blind to it, as well as blinded by it, countless people (even those he selected for his administration and those in his own family) have been fully aware of, and commented on, Trump's mental state and lying for years. JUST ONE such instance: In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts discussed and explored his mental state and symptoms, arguing that, "in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality."

His lies are continually recorded and challenged by people across all political platforms and around the world. Regardless of whether you WANT to believe him, he IS obviously a liar.

What is the payoff for you in denying what's obvious and pretending otherwise?

Again, the struggle is between liberty and the establishment. The establishment having been created over many years has no concern for liberty or the ideals and principles america was founded upon. It. has a lot of money invested in it. Trump is a threat to the Establishment. I have a choice. I can remember and support American ideals and principles or support the Establishment which seeks power at the cost of these values. My payoff is supporting America

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

The Establisment has already figured this out. Trump is reminding us of what is going on. That is why I support Trump.

[henry quirk]

In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts discussed and explored his mental state and symptoms, arguing that, "in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality."

Did any of these professionals perform a formal evaluation of ORANGE MAN, or did they, like you, just assess him based on out-of-context sound bites and video clips?


His lies are continually recorded and challenged by people across all political platforms and around the world.

That's what you've been told: so it must be true.

So much for question everything! challenge everything!

[Lacewing]

Harper West, a clinical psychologist who studies emotional problems as adaptive responses to fear, trauma, and lack of secure attachment, was interviewed about the odd relationship between Donald Trump and his supporters. West is an expert in shame, domestic violence, and in surviving narcissistic abuse by parents and partners. Her book, Pack Leader Psychology, won the Ben Franklin Award for Psychology.

Here are some excerpts from that interview with her:

> I compare Trump to an abusive personality. Abusers dominate and take advantage of their victims, who may be completely unaware of the abuse. Many Trump supporters seem clueless to the harm he is causing them.

> Abusive and authoritarian personalities create an effect not much unlike a cult, with some people becoming spellbound and submissive to a charismatic leader.

> Provoking fear is something all authoritarian leaders do because they know how effective it is at securing fervent supporters. When our brains are hijacked by fear, our ability to think rationally goes out the window. We become self-absorbed with short-term physical or emotional survival, a way of thinking that does not lend itself to comprehending complex, long-term problems.

> Trump is an extreme example of what I call an “other-blamer”. These types of people, due to their childhood attachment traumas, have low self-worth and are overly sensitive to shaming experiences, such as being criticized, making mistakes, failing, or being “less than” in any way. To manage shame they learned to blame-shift to others to preserve their fragile psyches. This shows up in an inability to be accountable and admit mistakes with equanimity. “Other-blamers” are an abusive style of personality, since offloading blame to others creates unfair and unbalanced relationships and can even reach severe levels of physical violence.

> “Other-blamers” see nothing wrong with Trump lashing out in rage or blame. In fact, they applaud it. This is exactly what they wish to do in their lives — rage and blame to feel powerful and keep criticism at bay. Trump’s supporters love it when he refuses to admit he is wrong, because they, too, do not like to be held accountable. In his entitlement, over-confidence and bloated ego, they see themselves and feel vindicated. They can relate to his fear of accountability, because they suffer from the same trait. Seeing authoritarian, immoral and unethical behavior in a successful billionaire, they conclude that these are not faults, but positive attributes.

> This type of person is going to be very difficult to turn away from their true belief in Trump, because to do so they would, in essence, have to reject themselves.

> I wish I could say Trump supporters are well-informed and have a healthy relationship with the truth, but the research is clear that many get their news from a very restricted selection of sources that tend to corroborate their limited viewpoint and that tend to be very fact-averse, such as Fox News.

> But from a psychological perspective, we can also understand that most of these stubborn Trump supporters continue to back him for emotional reasons that go beyond a misunderstanding of the facts on policy positions.

> “Other-blamers” are in general not open-minded, which can lead them to be misinformed. To learn new information requires an admission that one does not already know that information, which can provoke feelings of inadequacy in “other-blamers”. In response, they are often unwilling to read, think deeply, or be well-informed, which by all accounts describes Trump and seems to describe many of his supporters.

> To acknowledge one is wrong takes good shame tolerance and personal fortitude, which Trump and many of his supporters apparently do not have.

Full article:
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trump- ... nts=disqus

[henry quirk]

Harper West, a clinical psychologist who studies emotional problems as adaptive responses to fear, trauma, and lack of secure attachment, was interviewed about the odd relationship between Donald Trump and his supporters. West is an expert in shame, domestic violence, and in surviving narcissistic abuse by parents and partners. Her book, Pack Leader Psychology, won the Ben Franklin Award for Psychology.

Here are some excerpts from that interview with her:

> I compare Trump to an abusive personality. Abusers dominate and take advantage of their victims, who may be completely unaware of the abuse. Many Trump supporters seem clueless to the harm he is causing them.

> Abusive and authoritarian personalities create an effect not much unlike a cult, with some people becoming spellbound and submissive to a charismatic leader.

> Provoking fear is something all authoritarian leaders do because they know how effective it is at securing fervent supporters. When our brains are hijacked by fear, our ability to think rationally goes out the window. We become self-absorbed with short-term physical or emotional survival, a way of thinking that does not lend itself to comprehending complex, long-term problems.

> Trump is an extreme example of what I call an “other-blamer”. These types of people, due to their childhood attachment traumas, have low self-worth and are overly sensitive to shaming experiences, such as being criticized, making mistakes, failing, or being “less than” in any way. To manage shame they learned to blame-shift to others to preserve their fragile psyches. This shows up in an inability to be accountable and admit mistakes with equanimity. “Other-blamers” are an abusive style of personality, since offloading blame to others creates unfair and unbalanced relationships and can even reach severe levels of physical violence.

> “Other-blamers” see nothing wrong with Trump lashing out in rage or blame. In fact, they applaud it. This is exactly what they wish to do in their lives — rage and blame to feel powerful and keep criticism at bay. Trump’s supporters love it when he refuses to admit he is wrong, because they, too, do not like to be held accountable. In his entitlement, over-confidence and bloated ego, they see themselves and feel vindicated. They can relate to his fear of accountability, because they suffer from the same trait. Seeing authoritarian, immoral and unethical behavior in a successful billionaire, they conclude that these are not faults, but positive attributes.

> This type of person is going to be very difficult to turn away from their true belief in Trump, because to do so they would, in essence, have to reject themselves.

> I wish I could say Trump supporters are well-informed and have a healthy relationship with the truth, but the research is clear that many get their news from a very restricted selection of sources that tend to corroborate their limited viewpoint and that tend to be very fact-averse, such as Fox News.

> But from a psychological perspective, we can also understand that most of these stubborn Trump supporters continue to back him for emotional reasons that go beyond a misunderstanding of the facts on policy positions.

> “Other-blamers” are in general not open-minded, which can lead them to be misinformed. To learn new information requires an admission that one does not already know that information, which can provoke feelings of inadequacy in “other-blamers”. In response, they are often unwilling to read, think deeply, or be well-informed, which by all accounts describes Trump and seems to describe many of his supporters.

> To acknowledge one is wrong takes good shame tolerance and personal fortitude, which Trump and many of his supporters apparently do not have.

Full article:
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trump- ... nts=disqus

So, yeah, no formal, in-clnic, evals: some professional. I bet if I researched West I'd find a lot of blue in her résumé.

[commonsense]

Specifically: what should ORANGE MAN have done to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do right now to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do to fight the economic malaise caused by lockdowns and restrictions?

Well, first of all he should admit that he should’ve done better.

[henry quirk]

Specifically: what should ORANGE MAN have done to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do right now to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do to fight the economic malaise caused by lockdowns and restrictions?

Well, first of all he should admit that he should’ve done better.

Done better how?

[Nick_A]

lacewing

Harper West, a clinical psychologist who studies emotional problems as adaptive responses to fear, trauma, and lack of secure attachment, was interviewed about the odd relationship between Donald Trump and his supporters. West is an expert in shame, domestic violence, and in surviving narcissistic abuse by parents and partners. Her book, Pack Leader Psychology, won the Ben Franklin Award for Psychology.

All Harper west has done is to verify Einstein's assertion that: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

When modern psychology creates a fool, their efforts are unsurpassed. Just look at Trumps children. Do the seem abused? I support Trump because he intellectually supports American principles and values. Those who support marxism support psychological abuse of children by creating snowflakes. Their efforts re applauded by these same emotionally misguided clinical psychologists. Einstein hit the nail on the head with that one.

[commonsense]

Specifically: what should ORANGE MAN have done to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do right now to fight the dreaded beer virus? What should ORANGE MAN do to fight the economic malaise caused by lockdowns and restrictions?

Well, first of all he should admit that he should’ve done better.

Done better how?

You’re kidding, right?

[Lacewing]

Prominent Republicans Who Don't Support Donald Trump

> 73 former Republican national security officials: Say Trump is "dangerously unfit to serve".

> William H. McRaven, admiral who directed the raid that killed Osama bin Laden: “Our republic is under attack from Trump. President Trump has shown he doesn’t have the qualities necessary to be a good commander-in-chief.”

> Former President George W. Bush: Won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump.

> Colin Powell, former secretary of state under George W. Bush: "The one word I have to use with respect to what he's been doing for the last several years is the word I would never have used before, never would have used with any of the four presidents I worked for: He lies," Powell said. "He lies about things, and he gets away with it because people will not hold him accountable."

> Miles Taylor, former senior Trump administration member: "Given what I have experienced in the administration, I have to support Joe Biden for president and even though I am not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country and I'm confident that he won't make the same mistakes as this President."

> Mitt Romney, Republican Senator: “Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president.”

> John Bolton, former national security advisor: "I don't think he's fit for office," Bolton said of Trump. "I don't think he has the competence to carry out the job."

> Rick Snyder, former Republican Michigan governor: "President Trump lacks a moral compass" and "ignores the truth."

> Jeff Flake, former Senator of Arizona: Publicly expressed his disdain for another Trump term.

> Meg Whitman, current Quibi CEO and former eBay CEO: “I’m a longtime Republican and a longtime CEO. And let me tell you, Donald Trump has no clue how to run a business, let alone an economy.”

> John Kasich, longtime Republican and former governor of Ohio: “I’m a lifelong Republican. But that attachment holds second place to my responsibility to my country.”

> George Conway: One of the founders of The Lincoln Project, which is a group of Republicans who absolutely despise Trump and what he’s doing to our country.

While former top military leaders like Mattis and John Kelly are technically non-partisan, they both served in Trump's administration:

> Mattis said Trump made a "mockery of our Constitution" and called him "the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people.”

> Kelly, Trump's former chief of staff and homeland security secretary, agreed with Mattis' comments.

[henry quirk]

Well, first of all he should admit that he should’ve done better.

Done better how?

You’re kidding, right?

c'mon, guy: don't do a lacewing (He's the worst! How is he the worst! Well, if you don't know, I'm won't waste my time telling you!).

It's a crap move.

If you think Trump handled beer virus poorly, is handling beer virus poorly, then spit how the particulars.

Shit, or get off the pot.

[henry quirk]

Prominent Republicans Who Don't Support Donald Trump

> 73 former Republican national security officials: Say Trump is "dangerously unfit to serve".

> William H. McRaven, admiral who directed the raid that killed Osama bin Laden: “Our republic is under attack from Trump. President Trump has shown he doesn’t have the qualities necessary to be a good commander-in-chief.”

> Former President George W. Bush: Won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump.

> Colin Powell, former secretary of state under George W. Bush: "The one word I have to use with respect to what he's been doing for the last several years is the word I would never have used before, never would have used with any of the four presidents I worked for: He lies," Powell said. "He lies about things, and he gets away with it because people will not hold him accountable."

> Miles Taylor, former senior Trump administration member: "Given what I have experienced in the administration, I have to support Joe Biden for president and even though I am not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country and I'm confident that he won't make the same mistakes as this President."

> Mitt Romney, Republican Senator: “Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president.”

> John Bolton, former national security advisor: "I don't think he's fit for office," Bolton said of Trump. "I don't think he has the competence to carry out the job."

> Rick Snyder, former Republican Michigan governor: "President Trump lacks a moral compass" and "ignores the truth."

> Jeff Flake, former Senator of Arizona: Publicly expressed his disdain for another Trump term.

> Meg Whitman, current Quibi CEO and former eBay CEO: “I’m a longtime Republican and a longtime CEO. And let me tell you, Donald Trump has no clue how to run a business, let alone an economy.”

> John Kasich, longtime Republican and former governor of Ohio: “I’m a lifelong Republican. But that attachment holds second place to my responsibility to my country.”

> George Conway: One of the founders of The Lincoln Project, which is a group of Republicans who absolutely despise Trump and what he’s doing to our country.

While former top military leaders like Mattis and John Kelly are technically non-partisan, they both served in Trump's administration:

> Mattis said Trump made a "mockery of our Constitution" and called him "the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people.”

> Kelly, Trump's former chief of staff and homeland security secretary, agreed with Mattis' comments.

Oh my gosh! RINOs and globalists say it: so it must be so!

Love this one, in particular...

Given what I have experienced in the administration, I have to support Joe Biden for president and even though I am not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country and I'm confident that he won't make the same mistakes as this President.

A repub (fundamentally, a social & fiscal conservative) is gonna vote for a man who'll raise taxes, expand the size and power of gov, who supports the green new deal, who is backed by commies, er socialists like Saunders and Cortez. Worst, this person will vote for Smokin' Joe knowin' Joe, with his cognitive dysfunction, won't actually be in charge and probably won't even serve out one full term (The blowjob queen has new furniture for the Oval on order).

Some republican...

Lace, pony up a legit, formal, psych eval.

This flailin' about is so, you know, freshmen year.

Shit, or get off the pot.