What causes muslims to be violent

[Immanuel Can]

Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.

Over 100 million killed by Atheist regimes in the last century. Speak to them about what is a "cheap shot."

I say your logic is not sound

I say your lack of historical knowledge is deplorable.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Over 100 million killed by Atheist regimes in the last century. Speak to them about what is a "cheap shot."

I say your logic is not sound

I say your lack of historical knowledge is deplorable.

Specifically?

I say again, commmunism, fascism and nazism killed millions but they were not driven by the fact that they were non-theists.
This cannot be because theists also killed millions.

Re Islam, note;
+290 million victims of Islamic terror.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/knowledg ... 148469556/
References and links provided above.

Those who killed are not driven by the fact that they are non-theistic.
As you said, "it is a human problem" due to SOME with their inherent evil potential and nature regardless of whether they are theists or atheists.

[Belinda]

Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Your thinking is too narrow and shallow.

The riots you mentioned has nothing to do with atheists or non-theists since atheism is not represented by any specific ideology like theism's specific ideology of Christianity, Islam, etc.
Those who rioted were driven by their specific ideology and their inherent evil tendencies.

While some are driven by their evil ideology to commit evil, some are driven by their own inherent evil nature to commit evil independent of their chosen ideology. This is why despite the ideology of Christianity being overriding pacifist, there will be some evil prone Christians who go on their own to commit evil acts and subsequently ask for forgiveness from their God.

Do you believe there may be a just battle that involves violence?

Just-battle?
In the present circumstances and state of human psychology, yes just-battle of using 'violence' to stop violence is very necessary when other non-violent methods failed.

In the Quran there are concepts of just-battles but such a last resort measure is very common sense which need no advice. If one group is attacked obviously the other group has to defend in going to battle [justified. Since this is common sense there is no need for any religious commands or advice for such obvious acts to be included in a holy text. Note Sun Tzu 'Art of War' and the likes which is independent of any religion.

However the Ideology of Islam [as evident in doctrines and actions] is mainly about dominance upon its superiority complex and it command & exhorts believers to kill and commit other evil acts to subdue non-believers.

What causes anyone to be violent is fear of loss including loss of liberty, or fear of pain. This goes for , not only Muslims, but everyone, except those people who manage to be faithful pacifists.

The cause, broadly, of World War Two was fear of loss of liberty to fascism. So it was a just war.

The cause of islamism is fanatical attachment to an ideology. This ideology is comparable to fascism.

In Western mass media it (islamist)tends to refer to groups whose aim is to establish a sharia-based Islamic state, often with implication of violent tactics and human rights violations, and has acquired connotations of political extremism. In the Muslim world, the term has positive connotations among its proponents.Wikipedia

[Veritas Aequitas]

Do you believe there may be a just battle that involves violence?

Just-battle?
In the present circumstances and state of human psychology, yes just-battle of using 'violence' to stop violence is very necessary when other non-violent methods failed.

In the Quran there are concepts of just-battles but such a last resort measure is very common sense which need no advice. If one group is attacked obviously the other group has to defend in going to battle [justified. Since this is common sense there is no need for any religious commands or advice for such obvious acts to be included in a holy text. Note Sun Tzu 'Art of War' and the likes which is independent of any religion.

However the Ideology of Islam [as evident in doctrines and actions] is mainly about dominance upon its superiority complex and it command & exhorts believers to kill and commit other evil acts to subdue non-believers.

What causes anyone to be violent is fear of loss including loss of liberty, or fear of pain. This goes for , not only Muslims, but everyone, except those people who manage to be faithful pacifists.

The cause, broadly, of World War Two was fear of loss of liberty to fascism. So it was a just war.

The cause of islamism is fanatical attachment to an ideology. This ideology is comparable to fascism.

In Western mass media it (islamist)tends to refer to groups whose aim is to establish a sharia-based Islamic state, often with implication of violent tactics and human rights violations, and has acquired connotations of political extremism. In the Muslim world, the term has positive connotations among its proponents.Wikipedia

Note my points 6-9, with the added:

• 6. A Muslim is a believer who has entered into a spiritual contract to adhere to Allah's commands with a promise of eternal life in heaven [some say with 72 virgins] or otherwise non-compliance the contractee will end up in Hell.
  
  7. Allah commands are contained within the Quran, the core holy texts of Islam that is comprised of 6236 verses.
  
  8. More than 3400 or 55% of the 6236 verses are laden with evil elements [evil laden] and to the extreme of Allah exhorting believers to kill non-believers [e.g. Quran 5:33 and other warring and killing verses]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Quran
  
  9. The reason why SOME Muslims are violent is because 20% of them are evil prone [5] and they are contracted [6] has to comply the command of Allah [7] but as evil prone, they are more inclined to execute the evil laden commands [8] within the Quran to ensure of the promise of eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins [6]

Generally all those who go to war, their motives are reducible to an inherent existential crisis manifested in various reasons like loss of property, rights, land, pains, greed, etc.
As evident such motives to war whether of unilateral aggression or just-war, are resolvable in time or are limited. There is no threat of hell or an inability to go to heaven with eternal life.

However, in the case of Islam it is exceptionally different where the existential crisis manifested in terms of the avoidance of hell and a promise of eternal life bonded within a contract that one cannot get out easily.
There are verses of just-war but what is more worrying is, there are other verses where all Muslims by contract and by the commands of Allah has to go to war against non-Muslims or else they will go to hell and not to heaven.

The majority of Muslims are not aware of such verses that Allah had exhorted them to fight and kill non-Muslims thus they remained ignorant of it.
But the problem is re point 9, there is a pool of 20% of 300 million Muslims who are evil prone and would readily comply with Allah commands to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contract they had 'signed' with Allah.
It is possible 1% of Muslim will be triggered to adhere to the contract strictly and that is 15 millions and this is so evident why SOME Muslims are so violent.

In this specific case, why SOME Muslims [potentially 15-300 millions] are so violent is because they are obligated to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contractual terms they have entered with Allah in exchange for a promise of eternal life in heaven and non-compliance means hell for them. To avoid hell and gain divine rewards, SOME Muslims will adhere to Allah's command to kill non-Muslims.

What is more worrying is when more and more Muslims are made aware of the obligated terms of violence against non-Muslims they have to comply with in accordance to the contract they have signed with Allah.

[Immanuel Can]

...commmunism, fascism and nazism killed millions but they were not driven by the fact that they were non-theists.

Let's see if that's true.

To start with, I'd better have you define what you understand as "Atheism," or "non-theism," since there is manifestly little consensus on the particulars between you and others.

[Belinda]

Just-battle?
In the present circumstances and state of human psychology, yes just-battle of using 'violence' to stop violence is very necessary when other non-violent methods failed.

In the Quran there are concepts of just-battles but such a last resort measure is very common sense which need no advice. If one group is attacked obviously the other group has to defend in going to battle [justified. Since this is common sense there is no need for any religious commands or advice for such obvious acts to be included in a holy text. Note Sun Tzu 'Art of War' and the likes which is independent of any religion.

However the Ideology of Islam [as evident in doctrines and actions] is mainly about dominance upon its superiority complex and it command & exhorts believers to kill and commit other evil acts to subdue non-believers.

What causes anyone to be violent is fear of loss including loss of liberty, or fear of pain. This goes for , not only Muslims, but everyone, except those people who manage to be faithful pacifists.

The cause, broadly, of World War Two was fear of loss of liberty to fascism. So it was a just war.

The cause of islamism is fanatical attachment to an ideology. This ideology is comparable to fascism.

In Western mass media it (islamist)tends to refer to groups whose aim is to establish a sharia-based Islamic state, often with implication of violent tactics and human rights violations, and has acquired connotations of political extremism. In the Muslim world, the term has positive connotations among its proponents.Wikipedia

Note my points 6-9, with the added:

• 6. A Muslim is a believer who has entered into a spiritual contract to adhere to Allah's commands with a promise of eternal life in heaven [some say with 72 virgins] or otherwise non-compliance the contractee will end up in Hell.
  
  7. Allah commands are contained within the Quran, the core holy texts of Islam that is comprised of 6236 verses.
  
  8. More than 3400 or 55% of the 6236 verses are laden with evil elements [evil laden] and to the extreme of Allah exhorting believers to kill non-believers [e.g. Quran 5:33 and other warring and killing verses]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Quran
  
  9. The reason why SOME Muslims are violent is because 20% of them are evil prone [5] and they are contracted [6] has to comply the command of Allah [7] but as evil prone, they are more inclined to execute the evil laden commands [8] within the Quran to ensure of the promise of eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins [6]

Generally all those who go to war, their motives are reducible to an inherent existential crisis manifested in various reasons like loss of property, rights, land, pains, greed, etc.
As evident such motives to war whether of unilateral aggression or just-war, are resolvable in time or are limited. There is no threat of hell or an inability to go to heaven with eternal life.

However, in the case of Islam it is exceptionally different where the existential crisis manifested in terms of the avoidance of hell and a promise of eternal life bonded within a contract that one cannot get out easily.
There are verses of just-war but what is more worrying is, there are other verses where all Muslims by contract and by the commands of Allah has to go to war against non-Muslims or else they will go to hell and not to heaven.

The majority of Muslims are not aware of such verses that Allah had exhorted them to fight and kill non-Muslims thus they remained ignorant of it.
But the problem is re point 9, there is a pool of 20% of 300 million Muslims who are evil prone and would readily comply with Allah commands to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contract they had 'signed' with Allah.
It is possible 1% of Muslim will be triggered to adhere to the contract strictly and that is 15 millions and this is so evident why SOME Muslims are so violent.

In this specific case, why SOME Muslims [potentially 15-300 millions] are so violent is because they are obligated to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contractual terms they have entered with Allah in exchange for a promise of eternal life in heaven and non-compliance means hell for them. To avoid hell and gain divine rewards, SOME Muslims will adhere to Allah's command to kill non-Muslims.

What is more worrying is when more and more Muslims are made aware of the obligated terms of violence against non-Muslims they have to comply with in accordance to the contract they have signed with Allah.

Other theistic religions, Christianity and Judaism , before the scientific enlightenment were as political as Islam. Islam never had the scientific enlightenment and is late in catching up. Most Muslims have advanced beyond the Koran except in matters of ritual and ordinary morality.

[Veritas Aequitas]

...commmunism, fascism and nazism killed millions but they were not driven by the fact that they were non-theists.

Let's see if that's true.

To start with, I'd better have you define what you understand as "Atheism," or "non-theism," since there is manifestly little consensus on the particulars between you and others.

Gone through this 'a million times'!

Generally 'non-theists' and 'atheists' represent those who are 'absolutely' indifferent [especially emotionally, psychologically, and the likes] to the idea of a God.
Analogy, it is like a gay man's sexual attitude toward any female person, i.e. of absolute indifference.

Among the 'non-theists' and 'atheists' there are SOME of those who take a negative stance [intellectually, emotionally and psychologically] and critique strongly against theism, thus that is 'atheism' which I agree these has an ideological basis. There are no known ideology of atheism per se that promote violence against theists.

If any atheists had been violent and killed theists in numbers that is not because of their atheism but rather due to the other adopted ideology like communism, fascism, and others.

Therefore you cannot simply associate atheists and non-theists directly with evil and violence. You'll need to mention their other specific ideology that these evil atheists had adopted, i.e. communism, or fascism, nazism[?] or others.

[Immanuel Can]

Generally 'non-theists' and 'atheists' represent those who are 'absolutely' indifferent [especially emotionally, psychologically, and the likes] to the idea of a God.

Let me make sure of what you're committed to.

So according to you, an Atheist or non-Theist, has absolutely nothing in that ideological position but the denial that God exists, or the denial that it would be important if He did. Correct?

I want to be sure you mean that. So the Atheist or non-Theist has no perspective to offer from Atheism or non-Theism on questions like morals, meaning, purpose of life, teleology...nothing. About such things, they have nothing to say, and nothing to defend...is that correct?

If not, then say now what additional claims Atheism or non-Theism, as you understand them, imply.

[Veritas Aequitas]

What causes anyone to be violent is fear of loss including loss of liberty, or fear of pain. This goes for , not only Muslims, but everyone, except those people who manage to be faithful pacifists.

The cause, broadly, of World War Two was fear of loss of liberty to fascism. So it was a just war.

The cause of islamism is fanatical attachment to an ideology. This ideology is comparable to fascism.

In Western mass media it (islamist)tends to refer to groups whose aim is to establish a sharia-based Islamic state, often with implication of violent tactics and human rights violations, and has acquired connotations of political extremism. In the Muslim world, the term has positive connotations among its proponents.Wikipedia

Note my points 6-9, with the added:

• 6. A Muslim is a believer who has entered into a spiritual contract to adhere to Allah's commands with a promise of eternal life in heaven [some say with 72 virgins] or otherwise non-compliance the contractee will end up in Hell.
  
  7. Allah commands are contained within the Quran, the core holy texts of Islam that is comprised of 6236 verses.
  
  8. More than 3400 or 55% of the 6236 verses are laden with evil elements [evil laden] and to the extreme of Allah exhorting believers to kill non-believers [e.g. Quran 5:33 and other warring and killing verses]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Quran
  
  9. The reason why SOME Muslims are violent is because 20% of them are evil prone [5] and they are contracted [6] has to comply the command of Allah [7] but as evil prone, they are more inclined to execute the evil laden commands [8] within the Quran to ensure of the promise of eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins [6]

Generally all those who go to war, their motives are reducible to an inherent existential crisis manifested in various reasons like loss of property, rights, land, pains, greed, etc.
As evident such motives to war whether of unilateral aggression or just-war, are resolvable in time or are limited. There is no threat of hell or an inability to go to heaven with eternal life.

However, in the case of Islam it is exceptionally different where the existential crisis manifested in terms of the avoidance of hell and a promise of eternal life bonded within a contract that one cannot get out easily.
There are verses of just-war but what is more worrying is, there are other verses where all Muslims by contract and by the commands of Allah has to go to war against non-Muslims or else they will go to hell and not to heaven.

The majority of Muslims are not aware of such verses that Allah had exhorted them to fight and kill non-Muslims thus they remained ignorant of it.
But the problem is re point 9, there is a pool of 20% of 300 million Muslims who are evil prone and would readily comply with Allah commands to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contract they had 'signed' with Allah.
It is possible 1% of Muslim will be triggered to adhere to the contract strictly and that is 15 millions and this is so evident why SOME Muslims are so violent.

In this specific case, why SOME Muslims [potentially 15-300 millions] are so violent is because they are obligated to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contractual terms they have entered with Allah in exchange for a promise of eternal life in heaven and non-compliance means hell for them. To avoid hell and gain divine rewards, SOME Muslims will adhere to Allah's command to kill non-Muslims.

What is more worrying is when more and more Muslims are made aware of the obligated terms of violence against non-Muslims they have to comply with in accordance to the contract they have signed with Allah.

Other theistic religions, Christianity and Judaism , before the scientific enlightenment were as political as Islam. Islam never had the scientific enlightenment and is late in catching up. Most Muslims have advanced beyond the Koran except in matters of ritual and ordinary morality.

I did not mention about any political elements in the above.
Most religions were involved in politics in the past, even the very pacifist Buddhism, e.g. in Tibet and elsewhere. Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.




The Quran contains the contractual terms of the contract [covenant] that each Muslim signed with Allah. The elements within the Quran are laden with evil elements that a Muslim must comply with as an obligation as the contractee.
There is no way for any Muslim to advance beyond the Quran - the core of Islam.

What the majority of Muslims -who are being more human - do is they are like "ostriches" pretending the evil elements are not there, avoid it or explain it away, or they are ignorant of the evil commands they have to comply to gain merit to heaven and to avoid hell.

The problem is Muslims cannot be 'ostriches' to the evil inherent in the Quran all the time. At some time, some of these ostrich-Muslims will be triggered to face the reality of their true obligation of what Islam expect from them. This is why we read very often of the facts of many supposedly 'goody-two-shoes' who suddenly appeared on TV and in the media as the most wanted and terrible terrorists - to the shock of their family, relatives and friend.

Those Muslims [large numbers] who are fully aware of their proper obligations as a Muslim, i.e. to comply fully with Allah's command in the Quran, they will strive to comply with Allah's command, e.g. do what it take to implement Sharia Law, i.e. literally Allah's Laws where in compliance of them will ensure them of their place in heaven with eternal life and avoiding hell.

In any situation and opportunity the very compliant Muslims will kill and commit 'Quran approved' evil acts against non-Muslims to look good in the eyes of Allah thus gain additional merits as promised in the Quran.

The psychology is theism is a very strong desperate inherent existential impulse, stronger than the sex or hunger drive and even earthly death.

To view in a deeper perspective, it is not the direct fault of these Muslims who committed evil and violent acts, they have no choice because they are inherently desperate to get to heaven with eternal life just like the Christians and others. The difference is the Christian's contract [covenant] with God do not include compliance with any evil and violent terms but an overriding maxim to love even one's enemies.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Generally 'non-theists' and 'atheists' represent those who are 'absolutely' indifferent [especially emotionally, psychologically, and the likes] to the idea of a God.

Let me make sure of what you're committed to.

So according to you, an Atheist or non-Theist, has absolutely nothing in that ideological position but the denial that God exists, or the denial that it would be important if He did. Correct?

Yes.
Note, the question of God exist is a non-starter for an Atheist or non-Theist, so no such point as 'if He did'.

I want to be sure you mean that. So the Atheist or non-Theist has no perspective to offer from Atheism or non-Theism on questions like morals, meaning, purpose of life, teleology...nothing. About such things, they have nothing to say, and nothing to defend...is that correct?

Yes, that is correct.
But an Atheist or non-Theist is a human being and will get involve in the above mentioned
morals, meaning, purpose of life, philosophy, optimizing well being and the likes in their respective field.
As such a non-theist will get involve in say philosophy-proper but not specifically non-theistic-philosophy, or any other human-based activities.

If not, then say now what additional claims Atheism or non-Theism, as you understand them, imply.

'Atheism' i.e. with 'ism' denote an element of ideological beliefs that will lead some theists to commit certain acts against theism and theism. Note the anti-theism activities of the 'New Atheists' like Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, Hitchens and others.

In contrast, there are millions of atheists, e.g. Buddhists and others who don't give a damn regarding theism but rather focus on their religion for their own good.

However, even with atheism, have to read of atheists like Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, Hitchens and the likes promoting or condoning violence against theists?

[Immanuel Can]

Generally 'non-theists' and 'atheists' represent those who are 'absolutely' indifferent [especially emotionally, psychologically, and the likes] to the idea of a God.

Let me make sure of what you're committed to.

So according to you, an Atheist or non-Theist, has absolutely nothing in that ideological position but the denial that God exists, or the denial that it would be important if He did. Correct?

Yes.
Note, the question of God exist is a non-starter for an Atheist or non-Theist, so no such point as 'if He did'.

Oh. So you're going to say that BOTH Atheists and non-Theists have already closed the question of whether or not God exists? Essentially, then, they're both positive deniers of the existence of God? That's your view?

Just want to make sure...

I want to be sure you mean that. So the Atheist or non-Theist has no perspective to offer from Atheism or non-Theism on questions like morals, meaning, purpose of life, teleology...nothing. About such things, they have nothing to say, and nothing to defend...is that correct?

Yes, that is correct.
But an Atheist or non-Theist is a human being and will get involve in the above mentioned

Ah, yes...that is just the point. That is just the reason why Atheism is so deadly.

But we'll get to that in a minute. Before we do, there's some kind of problem with the sentence below...

'Atheism' i.e. with 'ism' denote an element of ideological beliefs that will lead some theists to commit certain acts against theism and theism.

That sentence doesn't make any sense. You say "Atheism" will lead some "theists" to "commit certain acts," and these "acts" we be "against theism... and theism"?

Maybe you mistyped there. Could you reword, so it becomes coherent, please? I want to make sure I understand your meaning there.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Let me make sure of what you're committed to.

So according to you, an Atheist or non-Theist, has absolutely nothing in that ideological position but the denial that God exists, or the denial that it would be important if He did. Correct?

Yes.
Note, the question of God exist is a non-starter for an Atheist or non-Theist, so no such point as 'if He did'.

Oh. So you're going to say that BOTH Atheists and non-Theists have already closed the question of whether or not God exists? Essentially, then, they're both positive deniers of the existence of God? That's your view?

Just want to make sure...

Yes.

I want to be sure you mean that. So the Atheist or non-Theist has no perspective to offer from Atheism or non-Theism on questions like morals, meaning, purpose of life, teleology...nothing. About such things, they have nothing to say, and nothing to defend...is that correct?

Yes, that is correct.
But an Atheist or non-Theist is a human being and will get involve in the above mentioned

Ah, yes...that is just the point. That is just the reason why Atheism is so deadly.

Nope!
You missed the point.

• 1. An Atheist or non-Theist is a human being who indifferent to the idea of God.
  2. That same human being is involved in moral, meaning of life, spiritual, etc.
  3. That same human being may be involved in good and evil ideologies.
  But these 2 & 3 affairs has nothing to do with him being an atheist.

Analogy:
A person P may be indifferent to Science, say A_Science.
If the person killed and murdered others,
it does conclude that being A_Science is the reason for his killings.
It is possible P could be a malignant psychopath or he could be a member of an evil ideology X.

The above analogy is similar to a Person P who is indifferent to God - atheist.

But we'll get to that in a minute. Before we do, there's some kind of problem with the sentence below...

'Atheism' i.e. with 'ism' denote an element of ideological beliefs that will lead some theists to commit certain acts against theism and theism.

That sentence doesn't make any sense. You say "Atheism" will lead some "theists" to "commit certain acts," and these "acts" we be "against theism... and theism"?

Maybe you mistyped there. Could you reword, so it becomes coherent, please? I want to make sure I understand your meaning there.

Yes, there is a typo error, should be;

'Atheism' i.e. with 'ism' denote an element of ideological beliefs that will lead SOME [not all] atheists to commit certain acts against theism and theists.
As such you cannot generalize all atheists are evil.

[Belinda]

Note my points 6-9, with the added:

• 6. A Muslim is a believer who has entered into a spiritual contract to adhere to Allah's commands with a promise of eternal life in heaven [some say with 72 virgins] or otherwise non-compliance the contractee will end up in Hell.
  
  7. Allah commands are contained within the Quran, the core holy texts of Islam that is comprised of 6236 verses.
  
  8. More than 3400 or 55% of the 6236 verses are laden with evil elements [evil laden] and to the extreme of Allah exhorting believers to kill non-believers [e.g. Quran 5:33 and other warring and killing verses]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Quran
  
  9. The reason why SOME Muslims are violent is because 20% of them are evil prone [5] and they are contracted [6] has to comply the command of Allah [7] but as evil prone, they are more inclined to execute the evil laden commands [8] within the Quran to ensure of the promise of eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins [6]

Generally all those who go to war, their motives are reducible to an inherent existential crisis manifested in various reasons like loss of property, rights, land, pains, greed, etc.
As evident such motives to war whether of unilateral aggression or just-war, are resolvable in time or are limited. There is no threat of hell or an inability to go to heaven with eternal life.

However, in the case of Islam it is exceptionally different where the existential crisis manifested in terms of the avoidance of hell and a promise of eternal life bonded within a contract that one cannot get out easily.
There are verses of just-war but what is more worrying is, there are other verses where all Muslims by contract and by the commands of Allah has to go to war against non-Muslims or else they will go to hell and not to heaven.

The majority of Muslims are not aware of such verses that Allah had exhorted them to fight and kill non-Muslims thus they remained ignorant of it.
But the problem is re point 9, there is a pool of 20% of 300 million Muslims who are evil prone and would readily comply with Allah commands to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contract they had 'signed' with Allah.
It is possible 1% of Muslim will be triggered to adhere to the contract strictly and that is 15 millions and this is so evident why SOME Muslims are so violent.

In this specific case, why SOME Muslims [potentially 15-300 millions] are so violent is because they are obligated to kill non-Muslims in compliance with the contractual terms they have entered with Allah in exchange for a promise of eternal life in heaven and non-compliance means hell for them. To avoid hell and gain divine rewards, SOME Muslims will adhere to Allah's command to kill non-Muslims.

What is more worrying is when more and more Muslims are made aware of the obligated terms of violence against non-Muslims they have to comply with in accordance to the contract they have signed with Allah.

Other theistic religions, Christianity and Judaism , before the scientific enlightenment were as political as Islam. Islam never had the scientific enlightenment and is late in catching up. Most Muslims have advanced beyond the Koran except in matters of ritual and ordinary morality.

I did not mention about any political elements in the above.
Most religions were involved in politics in the past, even the very pacifist Buddhism, e.g. in Tibet and elsewhere. Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.




The Quran contains the contractual terms of the contract [covenant] that each Muslim signed with Allah. The elements within the Quran are laden with evil elements that a Muslim must comply with as an obligation as the contractee.
There is no way for any Muslim to advance beyond the Quran - the core of Islam.

What the majority of Muslims -who are being more human - do is they are like "ostriches" pretending the evil elements are not there, avoid it or explain it away, or they are ignorant of the evil commands they have to comply to gain merit to heaven and to avoid hell.

The problem is Muslims cannot be 'ostriches' to the evil inherent in the Quran all the time. At some time, some of these ostrich-Muslims will be triggered to face the reality of their true obligation of what Islam expect from them. This is why we read very often of the facts of many supposedly 'goody-two-shoes' who suddenly appeared on TV and in the media as the most wanted and terrible terrorists - to the shock of their family, relatives and friend.

Those Muslims [large numbers] who are fully aware of their proper obligations as a Muslim, i.e. to comply fully with Allah's command in the Quran, they will strive to comply with Allah's command, e.g. do what it take to implement Sharia Law, i.e. literally Allah's Laws where in compliance of them will ensure them of their place in heaven with eternal life and avoiding hell.

In any situation and opportunity the very compliant Muslims will kill and commit 'Quran approved' evil acts against non-Muslims to look good in the eyes of Allah thus gain additional merits as promised in the Quran.

The psychology is theism is a very strong desperate inherent existential impulse, stronger than the sex or hunger drive and even earthly death.

To view in a deeper perspective, it is not the direct fault of these Muslims who committed evil and violent acts, they have no choice because they are inherently desperate to get to heaven with eternal life just like the Christians and others. The difference is the Christian's contract [covenant] with God do not include compliance with any evil and violent terms but an overriding maxim to love even one's enemies.

VA wrote:

Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.

If politics were not the "significant point " you would have no occasion to complain about either the Koran or Muslims.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Other theistic religions, Christianity and Judaism , before the scientific enlightenment were as political as Islam. Islam never had the scientific enlightenment and is late in catching up. Most Muslims have advanced beyond the Koran except in matters of ritual and ordinary morality.

I did not mention about any political elements in the above.
Most religions were involved in politics in the past, even the very pacifist Buddhism, e.g. in Tibet and elsewhere. Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.




The Quran contains the contractual terms of the contract [covenant] that each Muslim signed with Allah. The elements within the Quran are laden with evil elements that a Muslim must comply with as an obligation as the contractee.
There is no way for any Muslim to advance beyond the Quran - the core of Islam.

What the majority of Muslims -who are being more human - do is they are like "ostriches" pretending the evil elements are not there, avoid it or explain it away, or they are ignorant of the evil commands they have to comply to gain merit to heaven and to avoid hell.

The problem is Muslims cannot be 'ostriches' to the evil inherent in the Quran all the time. At some time, some of these ostrich-Muslims will be triggered to face the reality of their true obligation of what Islam expect from them. This is why we read very often of the facts of many supposedly 'goody-two-shoes' who suddenly appeared on TV and in the media as the most wanted and terrible terrorists - to the shock of their family, relatives and friend.

Those Muslims [large numbers] who are fully aware of their proper obligations as a Muslim, i.e. to comply fully with Allah's command in the Quran, they will strive to comply with Allah's command, e.g. do what it take to implement Sharia Law, i.e. literally Allah's Laws where in compliance of them will ensure them of their place in heaven with eternal life and avoiding hell.

In any situation and opportunity the very compliant Muslims will kill and commit 'Quran approved' evil acts against non-Muslims to look good in the eyes of Allah thus gain additional merits as promised in the Quran.

The psychology is theism is a very strong desperate inherent existential impulse, stronger than the sex or hunger drive and even earthly death.

To view in a deeper perspective, it is not the direct fault of these Muslims who committed evil and violent acts, they have no choice because they are inherently desperate to get to heaven with eternal life just like the Christians and others. The difference is the Christian's contract [covenant] with God do not include compliance with any evil and violent terms but an overriding maxim to love even one's enemies.

VA wrote:

Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.

If politics were not the "significant point " you would have no occasion to complain about either the Koran or Muslims.

Why cannot complain about the Quran?
The Quran which is the core of Islam is intrinsically evil.
It is the commands in the Quran that drive evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evil and violent acts against non-Muslims.
As such an individual Muslim and small groups of Muslims who do not belong to any political organization can still create terrible evils and violent act based on their religious obligations.
Therefore we should condemn the Quran itself for its inherent evil contents.

However as stated above when Islam which is inherently evil is combined with politics the threat is greater. In this case, the ideology of Islam is primary and politics is secondary, that is what I meant by politics is not the 'significant' point but it is still a deadly catalyst.

As for Muslims, I am not blaming them as the main causes since they are in fact victims of the religious impulse in seeking for an eternal life in heaven.
If all Muslims has adopted Christianity for their salvation, they would not be committing any religious driven evil and violence because the ideology of Christianity has an overriding pacifist maxim. If any Christian commit terrible evil, it is not driven by Christianity itself, but rather by the person's inherent evil nature, e.g. born or nurtured as a psychopath and the likes.

[Belinda]

I did not mention about any political elements in the above.
Most religions were involved in politics in the past, even the very pacifist Buddhism, e.g. in Tibet and elsewhere. Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.




The Quran contains the contractual terms of the contract [covenant] that each Muslim signed with Allah. The elements within the Quran are laden with evil elements that a Muslim must comply with as an obligation as the contractee.
There is no way for any Muslim to advance beyond the Quran - the core of Islam.

What the majority of Muslims -who are being more human - do is they are like "ostriches" pretending the evil elements are not there, avoid it or explain it away, or they are ignorant of the evil commands they have to comply to gain merit to heaven and to avoid hell.

The problem is Muslims cannot be 'ostriches' to the evil inherent in the Quran all the time. At some time, some of these ostrich-Muslims will be triggered to face the reality of their true obligation of what Islam expect from them. This is why we read very often of the facts of many supposedly 'goody-two-shoes' who suddenly appeared on TV and in the media as the most wanted and terrible terrorists - to the shock of their family, relatives and friend.

Those Muslims [large numbers] who are fully aware of their proper obligations as a Muslim, i.e. to comply fully with Allah's command in the Quran, they will strive to comply with Allah's command, e.g. do what it take to implement Sharia Law, i.e. literally Allah's Laws where in compliance of them will ensure them of their place in heaven with eternal life and avoiding hell.

In any situation and opportunity the very compliant Muslims will kill and commit 'Quran approved' evil acts against non-Muslims to look good in the eyes of Allah thus gain additional merits as promised in the Quran.

The psychology is theism is a very strong desperate inherent existential impulse, stronger than the sex or hunger drive and even earthly death.

To view in a deeper perspective, it is not the direct fault of these Muslims who committed evil and violent acts, they have no choice because they are inherently desperate to get to heaven with eternal life just like the Christians and others. The difference is the Christian's contract [covenant] with God do not include compliance with any evil and violent terms but an overriding maxim to love even one's enemies.

VA wrote:

Islam is the only religion at present that is directly involved in politics.

Politics is not the significant point here.
What is significant is the intrinsic overriding evil elements that is present ONLY in Islam [as represented in the Quran] and not in other major religions.
Since politics is by default dirty, when Islam is combined with politics as it has been, that would be a doubly evil - thus the evident evil and violent acts committed to date.

If politics were not the "significant point " you would have no occasion to complain about either the Koran or Muslims.

Why cannot complain about the Quran?
The Quran which is the core of Islam is intrinsically evil.
It is the commands in the Quran that drive evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evil and violent acts against non-Muslims.
As such an individual Muslim and small groups of Muslims who do not belong to any political organization can still create terrible evils and violent act based on their religious obligations.
Therefore we should condemn the Quran itself for its inherent evil contents.

However as stated above when Islam which is inherently evil is combined with politics the threat is greater. In this case, the ideology of Islam is primary and politics is secondary, that is what I meant by politics is not the 'significant' point but it is still a deadly catalyst.

As for Muslims, I am not blaming them as the main causes since they are in fact victims of the religious impulse in seeking for an eternal life in heaven.
If all Muslims has adopted Christianity for their salvation, they would not be committing any religious driven evil and violence because the ideology of Christianity has an overriding pacifist maxim. If any Christian commit terrible evil, it is not driven by Christianity itself, but rather by the person's inherent evil nature, e.g. born or nurtured as a psychopath and the likes.

Islam is a political ideology with the myths added on. The Holy Prophet had political motives that were well suited to conditions in Arabia at the time. Christianity has often been politicised, beginning with Constantine and the Romans, but since the scientific enlightenment (which for historical reasons did not affect Islam) has been apolitical except for so-called fundamentalists. This is a matter of accredited historical fact, AT.