the proper balance between idealism and pragmatism

[commonsense]

Shaw was right, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach."

Shaw has got it wrong. Those who can, do; those who believe others can, teach.

[Skepdick]

Not shared if every individual wants to produce wealth for only himself or only himself and his family.

Every individual wants to produce wealth for only himself and only his family!

That still sounds like every individual wants the same thing.

[commonsense]

Take the risk and opt out, or huddle in perceived safety by remaining in.

The safety isn't perceived - it's actual.

Doctors, sanitation, electricity, reliable source of food.

The price you pay for all of those comforts is all the responsibilities it comes with.

Yes, the safety is real. I was referring to the idea that if real safety isn’t seen as real safety, the huddles would not have so much reason to huddle.

[Skepdick]

Yes, the safety is real. I was referring to the idea that if real safety isn’t seen as real safety, the huddles would not have so much reason to huddle.

Yeah. Everybody wants real X for free...

[commonsense]

Yes, the safety is real. I was referring to the idea that if real safety isn’t seen as real safety, the huddles would not have so much reason to huddle.

Yeah. Everybody wants real X for free...

Yup.

[henry quirk]

Yes, the safety is real. I was referring to the idea that if real safety isn’t seen as real safety, the huddles would not have so much reason to huddle.

Yeah. Everybody wants real X for free...

Yup.

nope

some of us wanna pay a fair price...we go out of our way to do that

free shit (not really free...somebody is payn' for it, in some fashion) is a goddamned leash

[Skepdick]

nope

some of us wanna pay a fair price...we go out of our way to do that

free shit (not really free...somebody is payn' for it, in some fashion) is a goddamned leash

What would you say is a fair price for drinkable water?

The point is that somebody has to do the work. Part of politics is about who should bear the cost and how to collect on the bill.

[henry quirk]

What would you say is a fair price for drinkable water?

I can get a 16 oz bottle of nestle's water for 86 cents

seems fair to me

I pay about $50 monthly for water service, for two

seems fair to me


The point is that somebody has to do the work.

yeah, that's what I said


Part of politics is about who should bear the cost and how to collect on the bill.

no

all of politics is schmucks lookin' to make a dime on taxpayers

[Belinda]

What would you say is a fair price for drinkable water?

I can get a 16 oz bottle of nestle's water for 86 cents

seems fair to me

I pay about $50 monthly for water service, for two

seems fair to me


The point is that somebody has to do the work.

yeah, that's what I said


Part of politics is about who should bear the cost and how to collect on the bill.

no



all of politics is schmucks lookin' to make a dime on taxpayers

Like it or not we have to be governed by rule of law and to my mind politicians are better than kings or war lords. The thing is to try to inform myself which politicians are honest and intelligent and which are not, and vote accordingly.

[henry quirk]

Like it or not we have to be governed by rule of law and to my mind politicians are better than kings or war lords. The thing is to try to inform myself which politicians are honest and intelligent and which are not, and vote accordingly.

oh, I get it, I do

some folks need direction; some folks need to direct

you understand some folks want & need neither, yeah?


you confuse glibness & cleverness for honesty & intelligence

[Belinda]

Like it or not we have to be governed by rule of law and to my mind politicians are better than kings or war lords. The thing is to try to inform myself which politicians are honest and intelligent and which are not, and vote accordingly.

oh, I get it, I do

some folks need direction; some folks need to direct

you understand some folks want & need neither, yeah?


you confuse glibness & cleverness for honesty & intelligence

I have done so and hope I have learned to do better than that.

Certainly I understand some folks want liberty I want it for myself. But I can't have unlimited liberty as there are other people besides me to be considered if only because I need their goods and services.

[henry quirk]

Like it or not we have to be governed by rule of law and to my mind politicians are better than kings or war lords. The thing is to try to inform myself which politicians are honest and intelligent and which are not, and vote accordingly.

oh, I get it, I do

some folks need direction; some folks need to direct

you understand some folks want & need neither, yeah?


you confuse glibness & cleverness for honesty & intelligence

I have done so and hope I have learned to do better than that.

Certainly I understand some folks want liberty I want it for myself. But I can't have unlimited liberty as there are other people besides me to be considered if only because I need their goods and services.

no such animal

bein' free is man's natural state, to self-direct & be self-responsible

now, license & libertinism : that's what you get when folks ignore the self-responsibility part

[Belinda]

bein' free is man's natural state, to self-direct & be self-responsible

Was it Hobbes or was it Rousseau who claimed just that? I cannot remember.

[henry quirk]

bein' free is man's natural state, to self-direct & be self-responsible

Was it Hobbes or was it Rousseau who claimed just that? I cannot remember.

hell if I know

[Belinda]

bein' free is man's natural state, to self-direct & be self-responsible

Was it Hobbes or was it Rousseau who claimed just that? I cannot remember.

hell if I know

I did not expect you to know. I hoped you might do some googling for me.