Defunding the Police

[commonsense]

Suppose the police are subjected to reduced funding.

Suppose along with that the police undergo retraining to reduce the misuse of lethal force.

Suppose also that the police are relieved from responding to calls that could be handled better by social services or mental health agencies.

Then answer the following:

How would you budget the reduced funds available to you if you’re the police chief or commissioner? Are there any benefits or perks that you would eliminate? How would you reduce the number of positions, if that is your plan?

What would the key elements of your training be? How would you overcome a culture of silence among the officers? How would you measure the success of the training?

How would you arrange for other agencies to respond to calls? How would you have the calls triaged to receive the appropriate services? What would happen if the responding resources did not match the emergency?

[RCSaunders]

Suppose the police are subjected to reduced funding.

Anything short of totally defunding police and eliminating the so-called criminal justice system is nothing but a political ploy.

How would you arrange for other agencies to respond to calls? How would you have the calls triaged to receive the appropriate services? What would happen if the responding resources did not match the emergency?

If you just substitute other government agencies for police nothing is changed except the cosmetics. There are plenty of private agencies and businesses that one can hire to cover as many security and emergency situations as they are willing to pay for.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. When one becomes a policeman, or part of the criminal justice system in any other way, they must surrender their virtue and integrity and swear to enforce any government law, no matter how oppressive or evil. Decent people do not compromise their principles for the sake of a job.

[gaffo]

smart post BTW.

Suppose the police are subjected to reduced funding.

Suppose along with that the police undergo retraining to reduce the misuse of lethal force.

Suppose also that the police are relieved from responding to calls that could be handled better by social services or mental health agencies.

and remove Qualfied Imunity for fucks sake, it was codified in the 1980's in the courts, so to remove it will take decades of counter court rulings (sadly).

the Legislative branch can just pass laws forbidding it - BUT the courts must then rule over decades of court challenges to affirm or reject said laws - assuming the Legislative branch steps up and find some balls and pass such laws.

sadly that the way it is - checks and balence thing. usually such - three branches to check the other works, but sometimes it does not - or when it does, it takes centuries to move toward the goal of correct outcome.

I'm ok with it though, though Qualified Imunity being removed via fait Legislative laws would make me happy - verses 50 yrs of court rullings to maybe eventually get the same outcome, overall the checks and balences work for most things and so affirm the Juciary doing its thing for 50 yrs over Qualified Immunity.

a price we pay for the 3 branches of gov.

Then answer the following:

How would you budget the reduced funds available to you if you’re the police chief or commissioner? Are there any benefits or perks that you would eliminate?

sure, pensions for one. lessen the pension perks.

other benefits like vacation/sick leave - what is the norm for cops? (does it differ between states/ city vs county vs state troopers?) - 3 weeks for both? - that is usual for state empoyees - but maybe state empoyess that are cops get more? do they? asking here. lessen both to the usual 2 wks for both (which is the usual private sector amount - though 1 wk for both i know of also in the private sector).

Police Unions - how are they funded? (i'm asking you - i don't know) if via salary of the cop members, then nothing can be done, but if supplimented by city-tax payer funds - dry that well up!

How would you reduce the number of positions, if that is your plan?

I have three plans.

1. stop hiring former Iraqnam vets with PTSD - they lack the mindset of promoting peace, thier minds are in a state of Was via their prior occupation in Iraq.

2. Train cops to Protect and Serve, rather than to Seige and Occupy - this means to teach them DESECALATION, rather than the inverse ESCALATION - which is all i've seen these last 20 yrs from cops.

3. Teach then the US Constitution! and the role they place in it, while respecting that document's ideals.

What would the key elements of your training be?

refer to 1,2 and 3 above.

How would you overcome a culture of silence among the officers?

by:

lessening the power of the Police Union somehow

and by

FIRING the bad cops

---bodycams are a start, but only good if the cop is fired!!!!!!!!!! when the bodycam shows he fucked up.

How would you measure the success of the training?

by the record of the bodycams.

How would you arrange for other agencies to respond to calls? How would you have the calls triaged to receive the appropriate services? What would happen if the responding resources did not match the emergency?

i do not think other agencies have a role in immediate heat of the moment calls, i think cops are the only proper agency to respond to all such calls.

but clearly their training and mindset is unproffesional and sometimes counter productive in many of those calls.

and so fire the bad apples, to not hire PTSD vets, and retrain the rest - then fire the retrained ones that fuck up and kill an unarmed perp.