What is Truth?

[henry quirk]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

[Belinda]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

That is true of the common decimal system of maths; it's not true of the binary system of maths.

[henry quirk]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

That is true of the common decimal system of maths; it's not true of the binary system of maths.

can you count apples in binary?

[RCSaunders]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

That is true of the common decimal system of maths; it's not true of the binary system of maths.

It is absolutely true in any base, binary, octal, decimal, hexidecimal, etc. The only difference is the notation.

3 decimal = 11 binary, 2 decimal = 10 binary, 5 decimal = 101 binary. Binary addition: 11 + 10 = 101. The numerical values are identical, only the notation is different. It is the same as saying three plus two equals five. Writing zero through five in binary is 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101 and the are said, zero, one, two, three, four, five (NOT zero, one, ten, eleven, one hundred, one hundred one, which would be decimal notation).

[RCSaunders]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

That is true of the common decimal system of maths; it's not true of the binary system of maths.

can you count apples in binary?

Absolutely. As I just explained to Belinda: Writing zero through five in binary is 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101 and the are said, zero, one, two, three, four, five.

There is absolutely no difference in the addition values in any base number system, just the notation is different. The meaning is identical.

[Belinda]

That is true of the common decimal system of maths; it's not true of the binary system of maths.

can you count apples in binary?

Absolutely. As I just explained to Belinda: Writing zero through five in binary is 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101 and the are said, zero, one, two, three, four, five.

There is absolutely no difference in the addition values in any base number system, just the notation is different. The meaning is identical.

I never thought of that.

[henry quirk]

can you count apples in binary?

Absolutely. As I just explained to Belinda: Writing zero through five in binary is 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101 and the are said, zero, one, two, three, four, five.

There is absolutely no difference in the addition values in any base number system, just the notation is different. The meaning is identical.

I never thought of that.

for both of you

[Nick_A]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

Consider the great eternal unchanging or the ONE beyond the limits of time and space which IS. Partial truths are eternally changing phenomenon within creation. The ONE or the eternal unchanging is the only truth while all fractions of the one manifesting within creation are partial truths in relation to the ONE

[Belinda]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

Consider the great eternal unchanging or the ONE beyond the limits of time and space which IS. Partial truths are eternally changing phenomenon within creation. The ONE or the eternal unchanging is the only truth while all fractions of the one manifesting within creation are partial truths in relation to the ONE

Yes, Nick I agree. However that is a problem to do with how we can know anything. The only more or less viable claim to know absolute truth is a mystical claim

Henry, like nearly everyone else is impressed by the certain necessities of mathematical claims. Some may say mathematical 'truths' are God's truths. I would not say so. To presuppose Almighty God reveals any truths to us men leaves the door open to charlatans.

[henry quirk]

Henry, like nearly everyone else is impressed by the certain necessities of mathematical claims.

no, I simply acknowledge fact: if I have an apple in my left hand (1) and an apple in my right (1), I have two apples (1+1=2)

this is obvious, unremarkable, fact

[henry quirk]

Consider the great eternal unchanging or the ONE beyond the limits of time and space which IS. Partial truths are eternally changing phenomenon within creation. The ONE or the eternal unchanging is the only truth while all fractions of the one manifesting within creation are partial truths in relation to the ONE

okay, I got no clue what that means or what it has to with 1+1=2, or 3+2=5

[Nick_A]

Consider the great eternal unchanging or the ONE beyond the limits of time and space which IS. Partial truths are eternally changing phenomenon within creation. The ONE or the eternal unchanging is the only truth while all fractions of the one manifesting within creation are partial truths in relation to the ONE

okay, I got no clue what that means or what it has to with 1+1=2, or 3+2=5

Here is a dictionary definition of a fraction: "a small or tiny part, amount, or proportion of something."

1+1=2, or 3+2=5 are relationships between fractions or partial truths in relations to one which is the sum of all fractions or partial truths. There is something about a human being that though living in a universe of partial truths is attracted to climb the mountain in the direction where all partial truths reside as ONE.

[Nick_A]

3+2=5 is a partial truth while ONE or the source of math is the truth. Fractions are partial truths while ONE is the truth

that makes no sense to me

I have a pile of 3 apples...I add two more...now I got me 5 apples

seems to me: no matter where you jump into the sequence (3+2=5), you got nuthin' but unambiguous truths (facts)

Consider the great eternal unchanging or the ONE beyond the limits of time and space which IS. Partial truths are eternally changing phenomenon within creation. The ONE or the eternal unchanging is the only truth while all fractions of the one manifesting within creation are partial truths in relation to the ONE

Yes, Nick I agree. However that is a problem to do with how we can know anything. The only more or less viable claim to know absolute truth is a mystical claim

Henry, like nearly everyone else is impressed by the certain necessities of mathematical claims. Some may say mathematical 'truths' are God's truths. I would not say so. To presuppose Almighty God reveals any truths to us men leaves the door open to charlatans.

The question of how we can know anything begins with the ONE as described by Plotinus

https://iep.utm.edu/plotinus/

a. The One
The ‘concept’ of the One is not, properly speaking, a concept at all, since it is never explicitly defined by Plotinus, yet it is nevertheless the foundation and grandest expression of his philosophy. Plotinus does make it clear that no words can do justice to the power of the One; even the name, ‘the One,’ is inadequate, for naming already implies discursive knowledge, and since discursive knowledge divides or separates its objects in order to make them intelligible, the One cannot be known through the process of discursive reasoning (Ennead VI.9.4). Knowledge of the One is achieved through the experience of its ‘power’ (dunamis) and its nature, which is to provide a ‘foundation’ (arkhe) and location (topos) for all existents (VI.9.6). The ‘power’ of the One is not a power in the sense of physical or even mental action; the power of the One, as Plotinus speaks of it, is to be understood as the only adequate description of the ‘manifestation’ of a supreme principle that, by its very nature, transcends all predication and discursive understanding. This ‘power,’ then, is capable of being experienced, or known, only through contemplation (theoria), or the purely intellectual ‘vision’ of the source of all things. The One transcends all beings, and is not itself a being, precisely because all beings owe their existence and subsistence to their eternal contemplation of the dynamic manifestation(s) of the One. The One can be said to be the ‘source’ of all existents only insofar as every existent naturally and (therefore) imperfectly contemplates the various aspects of the One, as they are extended throughout the cosmos, in the form of either sensible or intelligible objects or existents. The perfect contemplation of the One, however, must not be understood as a return to a primal source; for the One is not, strictly speaking, a source or a cause, but rather the eternally present possibility — or active making-possible — of all existence, of Being (V.2.1). According to Plotinus, the unmediated vision of the ‘generative power’ of the One, to which existents are led by the Intelligence (V.9.2), results in an ecstatic dance of inspiration, not in a satiated torpor (VI.9.; for it is the nature of the One to impart fecundity to existents — that is to say: the One, in its regal, indifferent capacity as undiminishable potentiality of Being, permits both rapt contemplation and ecstatic, creative extension. These twin poles, this ‘stanchion,’ is the manifested framework of existence which the One produces, effortlessly (V.1.6). The One, itself, is best understood as the center about which the ‘stanchion,’ the framework of the cosmos, is erected (VI.9.. This ‘stanchion’ or framework is the result of the contemplative activity of the Intelligence.

If the ONE "is" and its conscious devolution into nous and the beginning of creation in time and space makes logical sense, then somehow we can open trough noesis to feel it, When we do it may be the beginning of knowledge. However, the ways in which it is interpreted creating fantasy attracts the charlatans

[henry quirk]

There is something about a human being that though living in a universe of partial truths is attracted to climb the mountain in the direction where all partial truths reside as ONE.

if I'm understandin' you, the notion is horrifyin': I might be lookin' to get to god, but I sure ain't lookin' to merge with him or be assimilated by him

I wasn't built to kneel or be subsumed

[Dubious]

There is something about a human being that though living in a universe of partial truths is attracted to climb the mountain in the direction where all partial truths reside as ONE.

That makes a lot of sense since humans were always driven to a type of understanding forged through synthesis...sets within sets.