The Existential Crisis

[Atla]

LOL NOT ONE piece of CLARIFICATION from you. But then STRAIGHT into some allegation that you have, for years, been asking me for evidence for my ideas. If this is somewhat TRUE, then you can and will provide us with a link to ANY ONE of these CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, which you have been supposedly asking me, for years now.

You could find this quote of mine, quick enough, (although you NEVER clarified which thread it was from), now let us see if you can and will provide quotes of yours where you have, supposedly, asked me clarifying questions, regarding my ideas.

I asked for evidence, not clarification and lies, idiot. It was pretty clear from the start what you were saying, these kind of beliefs are not uncommon.

[Age]

LOL NOT ONE piece of CLARIFICATION from you. But then STRAIGHT into some allegation that you have, for years, been asking me for evidence for my ideas. If this is somewhat TRUE, then you can and will provide us with a link to ANY ONE of these CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, which you have been supposedly asking me, for years now.

You could find this quote of mine, quick enough, (although you NEVER clarified which thread it was from), now let us see if you can and will provide quotes of yours where you have, supposedly, asked me clarifying questions, regarding my ideas.

I asked for evidence, not clarification and lies, idiot.

Okay, so you, supposedly, asked for EVIDENCE, from the IDIOT. Now, let us see if you can and will provide the actual EVIDENCE, from the alleged quotes, where you, supposedly, asked ME, the IDIOT, for EVIDENCE.

Now, are you aware that if you do NOT provide the EVIDENCE for your claim here, then some will be saying that it is actually 'you' who is the lying here now?

It was pretty clear from the start what you were saying, these kind of beliefs are not uncommon.

'What' was, supposedly, 'pretty clear', to 'you', from the start, what I was saying?

What was I saying?

Also, 'what' kind of, so called, "beliefs" are you talking about and referring to here, which you allege are 'not uncommon'?

By the way, are you even aware that I do NOT have ANY beliefs?

[Atla]

LOL NOT ONE piece of CLARIFICATION from you. But then STRAIGHT into some allegation that you have, for years, been asking me for evidence for my ideas. If this is somewhat TRUE, then you can and will provide us with a link to ANY ONE of these CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, which you have been supposedly asking me, for years now.

You could find this quote of mine, quick enough, (although you NEVER clarified which thread it was from), now let us see if you can and will provide quotes of yours where you have, supposedly, asked me clarifying questions, regarding my ideas.

I asked for evidence, not clarification and lies, idiot.

Okay, so you, supposedly, asked for EVIDENCE, from the IDIOT. Now, let us see if you can and will provide the actual EVIDENCE, from the alleged quotes, where you, supposedly, asked ME, the IDIOT, for EVIDENCE.

Now, are you aware that if you do NOT provide the EVIDENCE for your claim here, then some will be saying that it is actually 'you' who is the lying here now?

It was pretty clear from the start what you were saying, these kind of beliefs are not uncommon.

'What' was, supposedly, 'pretty clear', to 'you', from the start, what I was saying?

What was I saying?

Also, 'what' kind of, so called, "beliefs" are you talking about and referring to here, which you allege are 'not uncommon'?

By the way, are you even aware that I do NOT have ANY beliefs?

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

[Sculptor]

I asked for evidence, not clarification and lies, idiot.

Okay, so you, supposedly, asked for EVIDENCE, from the IDIOT. Now, let us see if you can and will provide the actual EVIDENCE, from the alleged quotes, where you, supposedly, asked ME, the IDIOT, for EVIDENCE.

Now, are you aware that if you do NOT provide the EVIDENCE for your claim here, then some will be saying that it is actually 'you' who is the lying here now?

It was pretty clear from the start what you were saying, these kind of beliefs are not uncommon.

'What' was, supposedly, 'pretty clear', to 'you', from the start, what I was saying?

What was I saying?

Also, 'what' kind of, so called, "beliefs" are you talking about and referring to here, which you allege are 'not uncommon'?

By the way, are you even aware that I do NOT have ANY beliefs?

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

That is something you two seem to share.

[Age]

I asked for evidence, not clarification and lies, idiot.

Okay, so you, supposedly, asked for EVIDENCE, from the IDIOT. Now, let us see if you can and will provide the actual EVIDENCE, from the alleged quotes, where you, supposedly, asked ME, the IDIOT, for EVIDENCE.

Now, are you aware that if you do NOT provide the EVIDENCE for your claim here, then some will be saying that it is actually 'you' who is the lying here now?

It was pretty clear from the start what you were saying, these kind of beliefs are not uncommon.

'What' was, supposedly, 'pretty clear', to 'you', from the start, what I was saying?

What was I saying?

Also, 'what' kind of, so called, "beliefs" are you talking about and referring to here, which you allege are 'not uncommon'?

By the way, are you even aware that I do NOT have ANY beliefs?

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Once again, you have NOT provided any thing to look at.

Now, what EXACTLY do you want EVIDENCE for?

Until you tell us EXACTLY what you want EVIDENCE for, OBVIOUSLY NO one can provide ANY, for you.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

Making all of 'what' up?

[Atla]

Okay, so you, supposedly, asked for EVIDENCE, from the IDIOT. Now, let us see if you can and will provide the actual EVIDENCE, from the alleged quotes, where you, supposedly, asked ME, the IDIOT, for EVIDENCE.

Now, are you aware that if you do NOT provide the EVIDENCE for your claim here, then some will be saying that it is actually 'you' who is the lying here now?



'What' was, supposedly, 'pretty clear', to 'you', from the start, what I was saying?

What was I saying?

Also, 'what' kind of, so called, "beliefs" are you talking about and referring to here, which you allege are 'not uncommon'?

By the way, are you even aware that I do NOT have ANY beliefs?

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Once again, you have NOT provided any thing to look at.

Now, what EXACTLY do you want EVIDENCE for?

Until you tell us EXACTLY what you want EVIDENCE for, OBVIOUSLY NO one can provide ANY, for you.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

Making all of 'what' up?

Still no evidence, just pretending to have amnesia about everything. Just as the readers might have been expecting from you.

[Age]

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Once again, you have NOT provided any thing to look at.

Now, what EXACTLY do you want EVIDENCE for?

Until you tell us EXACTLY what you want EVIDENCE for, OBVIOUSLY NO one can provide ANY, for you.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

Making all of 'what' up?

Still no evidence, just pretending to have amnesia about everything. Just as the readers might have been expecting from you.

NO 'pretending'. JUST 'clarifying'.

[Atla]

Okay, so you, supposedly, asked for EVIDENCE, from the IDIOT. Now, let us see if you can and will provide the actual EVIDENCE, from the alleged quotes, where you, supposedly, asked ME, the IDIOT, for EVIDENCE.

Now, are you aware that if you do NOT provide the EVIDENCE for your claim here, then some will be saying that it is actually 'you' who is the lying here now?



'What' was, supposedly, 'pretty clear', to 'you', from the start, what I was saying?

What was I saying?

Also, 'what' kind of, so called, "beliefs" are you talking about and referring to here, which you allege are 'not uncommon'?

By the way, are you even aware that I do NOT have ANY beliefs?

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

That is something you two seem to share.

That's funny coming from you. Especially after you have proven at least a dozen times that you have no clue about even some of the most well-known and basic scientific facts that even some children know. You are actually too stupid to grasp how badly you keep humiliating yourself.

[Atla]

Once again, you have NOT provided any thing to look at.

Now, what EXACTLY do you want EVIDENCE for?

Until you tell us EXACTLY what you want EVIDENCE for, OBVIOUSLY NO one can provide ANY, for you.



Making all of 'what' up?

Still no evidence, just pretending to have amnesia about everything. Just as the readers might have been expecting from you.

NO 'pretending'. JUST 'clarifying'.

Not clarifying, pretending.

[Sculptor]

Yeah yeah, still not a shred of evidence for what you are talking about all day for years.

Some readers (by that I mean most to all of them) might suspect that you are just making it all up.

That is something you two seem to share.

That's funny coming from you. Especially after you have proven at least a dozen times that you have no clue about even some of the most well-known and basic scientific facts that even some children know. You are actually too stupid to grasp how badly you keep humiliating yourself.

I love the way fools waste no time to reinforce their stupidity with idiotic claims.
There is not a single instance of evidence that you could bring to the table of any ignorance on my part of any scientific matter. Not one.
Not that has anything to do with my comment.
So on two counts you comments is idiotic.

[Atla]

That is something you two seem to share.

That's funny coming from you. Especially after you have proven at least a dozen times that you have no clue about even some of the most well-known and basic scientific facts that even some children know. You are actually too stupid to grasp how badly you keep humiliating yourself.

I love the way fools waste no time to reinforce their stupidity with idiotic claims.
There is not a single instance of evidence that you could bring to the table of any ignorance on my part of any scientific matter. Not one.
Not that has anything to do with my comment.
So on two counts you comments is idiotic.

Well I thought you were a big retard, but it turns out it's even worse that that. And you are even completely unaware of it.

Last time, on the other forum I literally had to write a goddamn list correcting your basic errors even some children wouldn't make.
It also flew way over your head that if you are so ignorant about basic stuff, then you will never in your lifetime be able to tell if I'm making up something or not, that's how the two things are connected. Or maybe you just have autism and don't understand implications, who knows.

You are the kind of retard who can say things like

Mainstream science has plotted the magnitude of the universe and that is a known quantity.

with a straight face, and then claim that I can't point out any ignorance on your part LOL.

[Sculptor]

That's funny coming from you. Especially after you have proven at least a dozen times that you have no clue about even some of the most well-known and basic scientific facts that even some children know. You are actually too stupid to grasp how badly you keep humiliating yourself.

I love the way fools waste no time to reinforce their stupidity with idiotic claims.
There is not a single instance of evidence that you could bring to the table of any ignorance on my part of any scientific matter. Not one.
Not that has anything to do with my comment.
So on two counts you comments is idiotic.

Well I thought you were a big retard, but it turns out it's even worse that that. And you are even completely unaware of it.

Last time, on the other forum I literally had to write a goddamn list correcting your basic errors even some children wouldn't make.
It also flew way over your head that if you are so ignorant about basic stuff, then you will never in your lifetime be able to tell if I'm making up something or not, that's how the two things are connected. Or maybe you just have autism and don't understand implications, who knows.

You are the kind of retard who can say things like

Mainstream science has plotted the magnitude of the universe and that is a known quantity.

with a straight face, and then claim that I can't point out any ignorance on your part LOL.

LOL
You can't even find ONE example.
And the one you make up on the spot is actally true.

[Atla]

LOL
You can't even find ONE example.
And the one you make up on the spot is actally true.

HAHAHAHA

Okay Sculptor, what is the magnitude of the universe? (I would prepare for a twist if I were you.)

[Atla]

Aand he ran away.

[Lacewing]

Whatever children are enduring is included in the big perspective of perfection. Whatever suffering is going on is included in the big perspective of perfection. Anything you suffered as a child is included in the big perspective of perfection.

But children ONLY 'suffer' from what 'you' adult human beings do.

If there were no adults, life would still include suffering for children. Whatever children are enduring -- for any reason -- is included in the big perspective of perfection.

Do you need to learn understanding?

I think I have found it ALREADY.

Do you think it is a single, static, non-expanding knowing/understanding? If understanding is something you have found "already", is there no further understanding?

Do you think that you are different from humans?

simply put the 'one' known as "age" is just another one of 'you', human beings.

But that is not all there is in regard to Age, right? So why would 'being human' be all there is in regard to anyone else? Instead of speaking to "you humans", why don't you speak to that which is throughout all? That which is perfect.

To me, a 'problem' is just a question posed for a solution. Until that is made, there is, literally, NO PROBLEM at all, anywhere.

Yet, you see a problem with the suffering of children?

Maybe what they cause is part of the perfect experience they want to create and have.

OF COURSE what human being cause is part of the PERFECT EXPERIENCE. And, of course, what human beings cause is part of what they want to create and have. But what adult human beings are causing, and creating, is NOT what they as children, and ALL children, Truly want to create and have. This should be CLEARLY OBVIOUS by now. If not, then WHY NOT?

Maybe you're misunderstanding it. Do you think that children have no greater power/influence/essence than their small physical presence? I remember feeling very in-tune when I came into this world, regardless of what the adults were doing. There was a sense of being part of something greater. The suffering is part of the theater on this stage. Our physical forms, young or old, seem to have little to do with the same energy/essence that animates all of us.

To me, from a larger perspective, everything appears to be a non-serious interplay of possibilities, of the same energy. Judgments about it are human.

And, the larger perspective of PERFECTION does NOT want children to suffer, OBVIOUSLY.

According to who, is it this way? Who is not wanting?

YES, but HOW MANY TIMES do you I have say, (and explain), what I want to share and express is ALREADY KNOWN, it is just STILL unconsciously KNOWN, before this is comprehended, and gets FULLY understood?

You don't have to say it at all. It is simply what you think. It doesn't matter. What you think is no more important than what anyone else thinks.

This is like saying; "You have a right to your own beliefs", which is just downright WRONG and STUPID.
Does an adult human being have a right to their own beliefs if those beliefs include abusing children or "others"?

You asked how many times you have to say and explain... and I answered that you don't have to say it at all. Do you think you have to say it?

Do you really believe that some thoughts have absolutely no more importance than other thoughts do?

Ultimately, for the larger perspective. It all seems to be coming from the same place and is all connected... so what we're doing here is just dancing and making some noise on a stage (some, much more than others).

I have said all along; Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, which means that what views are being expressed are being spoken in of 'how 'it' appears to that one'.

Good. Then you can refer back to that when you think you are speaking of anything other than that.

Perhaps you haven't yet comprehended what ELSE you know unconsciously, and so YOU don't fully understand it, in the time that this is written.

OBVIOUSLY, and OF COURSE, I have NOT YET comprehended what ELSE I know unconsciously. It is, after all, STILL 'unconsciously' KNOWN. Why would this appear to be funny to you?

Why would you NOT see how funny this is?

you've simply not explained much of anything -- that's the truth.

OF COURSE IT IS. I have ACTUALLY SAID and POINTED OUT, many times ALREADY, that I am NOT here in this forum to explain much about anything. Unless of course I am asked specific clarifying questions, then I will EXPLAIN EVERY thing, regarding those questions.

Specific clarifying questions according to your relative observer position. Such a convenient excuse for not producing anything. You are free to explain anything you think you understand that you think is worth explaining. Your failure to do so is a reflection of your own lack of understanding and ability -- NOT a reflection of people not asking you the right questions. And nobody gives a crap about your claims that you'll explain something someday, somewhere.

You've said you WILL...

YES I HAVE. So, this is CLEAR EVIDENCE of what I intend to do ONE DAY, SOMEWHERE.

Your evidence and intention are meaningless. What are you capable of right now?

The ONLY barrier to my revelations, is my lack of being able to communicate with 'you', human beings, succinctly and fully.

We're more than human beings, don't you know?

By the way, If 'you', human beings, do NOT YET KNOW how to live in peace and harmony together as One, in the days of when this is being written, then I would suggest that there is actually a 'need' to enlighten 'you', human beings, to SOME thing.

"Need" is a human idea.

But if no, then there is NO 'need' for 'you' to come on here and enlighten any one of any thing as well.

I'm entertained by it. I don't think there's a need.

This is because EVERY human being shares the EXACT SAME childhood experiences

That does not sound true at all.

WHY make an ASSUMPTION, jump to a conclusion, and feel the 'need' to enlighten me to what you think, or believe, is true?

Why are you making assumptions about me?

Why don't you just explain further what you're referring to by claiming: "EVERY human being shares the EXACT SAME childhood experiences"?

BUT, adults just do NOT YET KNOW how to access this KNOWLEDGE that is ALREADY WITHIN them.

If that is what you think, then that is all you see. It does not accurately reflect how it is for other beings.

It could be argued that 'you' do NOT recognize what it is that I am actually saying, AND MEANING, as you are frequently focusing on the "noise", which, by the way, on most parts is NOT even there, but is of your own making.

Of course I try to see what you're actually saying despite all your noise -- but it's a lot of noise. You seem oblivious of it, probably because you're so used to it.

But the WHOLE POINT of what it is that I WILL share AND explain IS; For the time being I have absolutely NO interest in the Right and Good ALL adult human beings do. It is ONLY the WRONG and BAD that ALL adult human beings do

Wrong and bad are human judgments/ideas.

You seem to forget or struggle with understanding and accepting the greater perfection of everything, as you wrestle with certain human judgments/ideas. Evidenced by the way you vacillate between speaking as if you are separate from humans, and speaking from a limited human perspective.

ALL of the GOOD done by ALL adults is ALREADY recognized by me, but just focusing on that is what just about ALL adults solely want to focus on, and this is WHY adult, human beings, do NOT seriously want to, NOR actually do, change for the better.

Are you aware of how much shit you make up to justify the stupid things you claim? This is probably why you don't want to explain anything when asked -- because your explanations show how limited and skewed you are.

You are telling a story over and over to yourself, and that story becomes your whole purpose and identity, so you maintain it by creating whatever noise and unconsciousness is needed to do so.

Do 'you' do this? Or, is it only "others" who do this?

We all tell stories and commit ourselves to them in varying ways and to varying degrees. Some people, such as yourself, seem to become especially entrenched in their stories/missions which often cast themselves as being uniquely 'more knowing' than other humans. It appears to be a fairly common psychosis exhibited on Philosophy forums.

My journey is to just explain HOW it is possible to gain True and FULL 'understanding' and 'awareness'.

Have fun fantasizing about what is relative for you.

"Other's" journey is to have and show absolutely NO interest in this at all, "other's" journey is say that this is IMPOSSIBLE, while "other's" journeys are to point out that there is NOT just one way.

People may not be interested in doing things your way.

Just like we do NOT 'need' you to explain any thing in 'your way'.

But, if people do NOT express and share their views, then they can NOT have them critiqued and/or discredit nor have them agreed with and/or accepted.

Also, are you suggesting that I share my views, in 'your way' and not in 'my way'?

I'm just giving you feedback, Age, on the things you say and claim. I'm not asking you to think the way I do. I'm saying that your claims about "adults" and "children" and all the other relative and skewed ideas you come up with, are not true for everyone else.

It is typical for you to blame others for not understanding what you're saying even though you admit that you're not trying to explain anything. It's a big joke: an apparent fantasy you are playing which blames all of us humans and adults for blah, blah, blah whatever grievances you have from when you were a child -- over and over, and you have failed to explain it as anything other than that.

You can share what you think you know, but the world is not doomed or failed if you don't.

How do 'you' KNOW this?

Because your view is relative... and there is vastly more involved, in addition and in contrast.

I think the greatest mistake anyone can make is to deny that the same essence is throughout all, regardless of the form it takes.

I have been CLEARLY STATING that what 'it' IS that 'we' ALL agree with is what will unite us, which in turns is what leads EVERY one to a living a Truly peaceful and harmonious life as One. Obviously this INFERS that there is the SAME 'essence' throughout ALL.

Why would the same essence require agreement? You are focusing on superficial separation because you have human ideas of need, and human judgments of good and bad. So you are proposing, as many people do in their own ways, what is needed, and how things should be -- as if you somehow possess some uniquely keen insight that overrules the larger perspective of perfection throughout all.

We can wrestle with forms -- we can believe them to be important and real -- and/or we can enjoy them. Whatever suits/entertains you.

We KNOW this is what 'you' think. You have repeated this previously. But, in telling "others" this, what purpose does this suit you?

I find entertainment and value in expressing and exchanging ideas here. I hope to hear people give feedback on the things I say.

Why have you repeated yourself (almost word for word) incessantly for many years, yet you still seem no more skilled at your goal of communicating? What purpose is your repetition serving here?

When 'you' discover the, proper AND correct, answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?', then you will 'understand' the, so called, "glorifying", of thy 'Self'.

Your view and answer do not apply to me -- so you are mistaken to claim them as "proper" and "correct" for anyone but yourself.

Thy 'Self', if you want a hint, is the One same 'Essence'.

I don't need your "hints".

you NOT even LISTEN to what is actually being said by "others", who you ASSUME have some underlying and/or ulterior motive.

You are assuming, and you are mistaken.

just HOW do you, supposedly, KNOW that "presenting ANY 'thing' as some kind of sacred/divine/greater 'truth' is just another "delusion"?

Because there are countless relative versions and views and stories from the human perspective -- yet we are all of the same essence which does not require any structure/idea.

And, how do you KNOW, for sure, without any doubt whatsoever, that presenting any thing that way is not even clever to use anymore? Just maybe some one might use that way to further instill an already held fear in "others", which makes them ASSUME and BELIEVE things, which may NOT even be 'truths' at all, from the outset?

It might be useful comfort or inspiration in the world depending on how it is used, but it is not clever to lord it over people as if it represents some ultimate truth. That is obviously in service to the person who claims to possess and deliver the "ultimate truth". Such a person is clearly not clever enough to realize that.

Some one might use this way to present things to get "others" to expose their own ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, in order to EXPOSE just how the brain can and will only work on previous past experiences, and by its self is just NOT able to LOOK AT things from a Truly OPEN perspective?

Whatever you imagine yourself as doing is your own trip. You are imagining what it means. People are attempting to "show" you things, as well, which you may or may not see because of your own ideas. We can each gather and create as we see fit.

Also, does saying to present anything in that way might only work on the "very gullible people" self-"justify" your reasons for NOT even giving what is to be presented ANY chance at all?

I've been talking with you for years -- seeing and listening intently, answering sincerely, trying all different approaches, etc. I've seen countless claims of people talking AT humans. It's ridiculous. It's mentally unbalanced. It's ego-centric. And it's stupid... because it casts the "knowing one" above others who are OF THE SAME STUFF!!! So, yes... people who fall for that are being gullible... and I think humankind is evolving beyond such absurdity in large part (although we clearly still have a ways to go).

And, the alluding to, the ones who present that way "only reveals the level of the one who uses it" is just ANOTHER WAY of degrading, ridiculing, and humiliating those ones, in front of "others", so that they feel better about themselves, and further outcasts as well.

I DO think it reveals the level of the one who does that. Do you want me not to say that? If you don't agree with me, you can dismiss what I think. It is not my intention to hurt anyone here. I do want to point out when people are using absurdity and dishonesty and delusion to make false claims and to project falsely onto other humans in general while they position themselves as more divinely aware than those other humans. It is easy to see -- it masquerades as uniquely and divinely "helping/informing" humans while condemning or hating them (or seeing them as lowly) -- and I think it deserves to be called out. It is a fucked up trip that denies the perfect essence in all.