Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:00 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:25 pm
Is the malfunction (you've referred to above) perfection?
NOT in the human being sense, as it is 'you' human beings who have to ENDURE the SUFFERING caused by this malfunctioning 'world' that 'you' adult human beings are creating.
HOWEVER, from the WHOLE BIG PERSPECTIVE, YES this IS PERFECTION.
Whatever humans are creating and causing is included in the big perspective of perfection.
Of course AND OBVIOUS.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Whatever children are enduring is included in the big perspective of perfection. Whatever suffering is going on is included in the big perspective of perfection. Anything you suffered as a child is included in the big perspective of perfection.
But children ONLY 'suffer' from what 'you' adult human beings do.
Children do NOT suffer from Life, Itself.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
However people respond to you here is included in the big perspective of perfection.
OF COURSE IT IS.
Me learning how to communicate better with 'you', human beings, AND, 'you', human beings, LOOKING AT and SEEING 'me' as being TOTALLY INSANE or absolutely ANY thing else, is ALL part of this One PERFECTION, "unfolding before our eyes", as some might say.
Me expressing my views, from what I have observed, and, 'you' discrediting my views or ridiculing my views BEFORE CLARIFICATION is obtained, is EXACTLY how I want things to happen here, in this forum, and EXACTLY how PERFECTION, Itself, is being played out here.
EXACTLY how EVERY thing is RIGHT NOW is in PERFECT sync with what is about to come, and come-to-BE.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:00 pmSo, when 'you', adult human beings become Truly responsible beings, by accepting AND taking responsibility for ALL of the WRONG that you ALL do, then 'you' will LEARN what is actually Right in Life, AND THEN you will start to LEARN 'understanding' itself, which is what is NEEDED in order to create and live the life that you ALL Truly WANT and DESIRE.
Does this include you? Do you have a lot to learn?
YES,
and,
YES.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 amLacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:25 pm
What are you doing to help ease/resolve children's suffering?
Learning how to communicate with you human beings BETTER, so then I can express what it is that I want to share with 'you'
Do you need to learn understanding?
I think I have found it ALREADY.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Do you think that you are different from humans?
'you' will have to learn how 'I' use the words 'you' and 'I' FIRST, BEFORE I could provide the answer to this question, which 'you' would FULLY understand.
But, simply put the 'one' known as "age" is just another one of 'you', human beings. There is, however, an "age old question", as they say, which is; 'Who am 'I'?' The proper and correct answer to who this 'I' is, is NOT what most human beings generally associate it with. And so when the 'you' word is used by most human beings they mistake it with the 'I', some times.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Do you think that what you want to share is any more important or insightful than all of the other insights that humans are capable of accessing and being aware of?
Absolutely NOT.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Maybe there is NO PROBLEM with what humans cause.
There is only a 'problem' if one is seen or made. So, human beings could cause their own extinction, and there still NEVER be A PROBLEM. A 'problem' only exists when 'you', human beings make them.
To me, a 'problem' is
just a question posed for a solution. Until that is made, there is, literally, NO PROBLEM at all, anywhere.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Maybe what they cause is part of the perfect experience they want to create and have.
OF COURSE what human being cause is part of the PERFECT EXPERIENCE. And, of course, what human beings cause is part of what they want to create and have. But what adult human beings are causing, and creating, is NOT what they as children, and ALL children, Truly want to create and have. This should be CLEARLY OBVIOUS by now. If not, then WHY NOT?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Because they are part of the larger perspective of perfection.
And, the larger perspective of PERFECTION does NOT want children to suffer, OBVIOUSLY.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 amLacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:25 pm
Do you think there is something about this that we don't understand now that we are adults?
YES, but HOW MANY TIMES do you I have say, (and explain), what I want to share and express is ALREADY KNOWN, it is just STILL unconsciously KNOWN, before this is comprehended, and gets FULLY understood?
You don't have to say it at all. It is simply what you think. It doesn't matter. What you think is no more important than what anyone else thinks.
This is like saying; "You have a right to your own beliefs", which is just downright WRONG and STUPID.
Does an adult human being have a right to their own beliefs if those beliefs include abusing children or "others"?
Also, if one thinks it is alright to eradicate a whole "class" of human beings, for examples, and thinks of ways to make this happen, then some might say that if "another" one thinks of a way to make 'life' better for EVERY one and not just SOME, and thinks of ways to make this actually happen, then what one thinks is, somewhat, just a little bit more important than what the first one, for example, thinks. Or, do you really believe that what one thinks is no more important than what "another" one thinks?
Do you really believe that some thoughts have absolutely no more importance than other thoughts do?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Perhaps you are speaking of how it appears for you, and you are speaking about yourself... but projecting it onto others.
If you were to PROVIDE actual examples, then we could SEE what you are referring to and talking about EXACTLY.
However, in saying that, OF COURSE I am speaking of how 'it' appears to me. I have said all along;
Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, which means that what views are being expressed are being spoken in of 'how 'it' appears to that one'.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Perhaps you haven't yet comprehended what ELSE you know unconsciously, and so YOU don't fully understand it, in the time that this is written.
OBVIOUSLY, and OF COURSE, I have NOT YET comprehended what ELSE I know unconsciously. It is, after all, STILL 'unconsciously' KNOWN. Why would this appear to be funny to you?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am
See, what I want and WILL explain/share, people ALREADY KNOW IT. They just do NOT YET consciously KNOW IT.
This is what you think.
OF COURSE and OBVIOUSLY this is what I think.
I just SHARED this thinking with you.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
You have been unable to explain much of anything, and you say this is because people do not yet consciously know it.
But it is NOT a case at all that I have be unable to explain much of anything, AND, I have NEVER said, let alone even implied, that what you said here is because people do not yet consciously know it.
What I have said is that I am NOT here, in this forum, to explain much at all of what it is that I want to share and explain SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
No, you've simply not explained much of anything -- that's the truth.
OF COURSE IT IS. I have ACTUALLY SAID and POINTED OUT, many times ALREADY, that I am NOT here in this forum to explain much about anything. Unless of course I am asked specific clarifying questions, then I will EXPLAIN EVERY thing, regarding those questions.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
You've said you WILL...
YES I HAVE. So, this is CLEAR EVIDENCE of what I intend to do ONE DAY, SOMEWHERE.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
but you have not.
As I have made my INTENTIONS CLEAR from the outset - I am NOT here in this forum to EXPLAIN and SHARE what I WILL explain AND share.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
So it is not other people who are a barrier to your revelations, it is your own lack of understanding.
OF COURSE it is NOT "others" who are a barrier to what I do.
What do you perceive is "my own lack of understanding"? What do you think I am NOT YET 'understanding' EXACTLY?
The ONLY barrier to my revelations, is my lack of being able to communicate with 'you', human beings, succinctly and fully.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
And I'm guessing that once you gain that understanding, you will see that there's no need for you to enlighten humankind about anything.
This is a typical human being response. It is your own lack of understanding why you can not do this or that. And, once you gain that understanding, then this will happen. Now, if you do NOT EXPLAIN what your words, "lack of understanding" is referring to EXACTLY, then I do NOT KNOW what you are talking about and referring to.
By the way, If 'you', human beings, do NOT YET KNOW how to live in peace and harmony together as One, in the days of when this is being written, then I would suggest that there is actually a 'need' to enlighten 'you', human beings, to SOME thing.
By the way is there a 'need' to enlighten humankind to absolutely ANY thing?
If yes, then what is/were those things?
But if no, then there is NO 'need' for 'you' to come on here and enlighten any one of any thing as well. But, 'you' continue to just keep on doing it. So, WHY do you keep doing it?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 amThis is because EVERY human being shares the EXACT SAME childhood experiences
Is that what you think? That does not sound true at all.
OF COURSE you JUMPED on the OBVIOUS FACT that NOT ALL children experiences are the EXACT SAME.
But, what was 'IT' that I was ACTUALLY referring to EXACTLY?
If you are STILL NOT YET SURE, then WHY make an ASSUMPTION, jump to a conclusion, and feel the 'need' to enlighten me to what you think, or believe, is true?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 amBUT, adults just do NOT YET KNOW how to access this KNOWLEDGE that is ALREADY WITHIN them.
Is that also what you think?
OF COURSE it IS. I just shared it, correct?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
That doesn't sound true either.
Okay. Why does it NOT sound true, either?
What knowledge am I actually referring to, and, HOW do you access this knowledge?
To PROVE that what I said does NOT "sound true", then you would have to have some sort of sound, logical reasoning for this. So, when you PROVIDE this EVIDENCE as PROOF for what you say and claim here, then, and ONLY THEN, will we be able to LOOK AT it and SEE if your claim actually "stacks up" as they say.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 amEVERY one gets distracted and swept up into this 'noise' and into this GREEDY, WAR-TORN, POLLUTING, and STRESSFUL 'world', which is SEEN and/or BELIEVED can NOT become a Truly LOVING and PEACEFUL 'world', for EVERY one.
It has been my experience that whatever we focus on, we create more of.
I have observed this also.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
We can be aware of all kinds of turmoil, and decide what we want to personally and specifically attend to, but if we focus on the noise, we create more noise and fail to recognize anything else.
I have also observed 'you' are frequently focusing on what 'you' perceive as being 'noise' of "others", and especially in regards to 'me' and my, so called, "noise".
It could be argued that 'you' do NOT recognize what it is that I am actually saying, AND MEANING, as you are frequently focusing on the "noise", which, by the way, on most parts is NOT even there, but is of your own making.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
If you focus on all that you think is wrong or lacking with humans -- such as lack of understanding and consciousness -- you aren't going to recognize all else that there is.
But the WHOLE POINT of what it is that I WILL share AND explain IS; For the time being I have absolutely NO interest in the Right and Good ALL adult human beings do. It is ONLY the WRONG and BAD that ALL adult human beings do that is NEEDED to be LOOKED AT, and changed.
ALL of the GOOD done by ALL adults is ALREADY recognized by me, but just focusing on that is what just about ALL adults solely want to focus on, and this is WHY adult, human beings, do NOT seriously want to, NOR actually do, change for the better. Because they keep focusing on and telling "others" about the 'good' that they do, and very rarely focus on the 'wrong' that they all do, then really there is NOTHING at all to change. If, as you say, we focus on one thing, the good that we ALL do, then, REALLY, what is there to change? What 'needs' to be changed if we only look at the 'good' that we, ourselves, do?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
You are telling a story over and over to yourself, and that story becomes your whole purpose and identity, so you maintain it by creating whatever noise and unconsciousness is needed to do so.
Do 'you' do this? Or, is it only "others" who do this?
Also, and by the way, if My Story is creating a Truly loving and peaceful 'world' for EVERY one, and making this happen is my whole purpose and identity, then so be it. I can think of worse things I could be identifying thy 'Self' with.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
You seem intent on helping the world become a "Truly LOVING and PEACEFUL 'world', for EVERY one", even though: 1) everything is already perfect from the larger perspective, and 2) everyone has access to broader understanding and awareness as it suits them on their journey --
1) Me learning how to communicate better, and me having extreme difficulty in expressing thy 'Self' is EXACTLY how things are MEANT TO BE happening. It WILL BE through this difficulty HOW and WHY what WILL BE achieved, comes through.
2) Every one having access to broader understanding and awareness, as it suits them, on their journey has what bearing on what on my journey?
My journey is to just explain HOW it is possible to gain True and FULL 'understanding' and 'awareness'. "Other's" journey is to have and show absolutely NO interest in this at all, "other's" journey is say that this is IMPOSSIBLE, while "other's" journeys are to point out that there is NOT just one way.
But all that matters is if 'you' want to stick to 'your journey' and 'I' want to sick to 'my journey', then 'we' all just stick to our own journeys, correct?
If this is correct, then 'your journey' is to tell me that there is NOT 'one way' to living in peace and harmony, 'Heaven', here on earth, and, 'my journey' is there can only be one way and that way is the way that EVERY one agrees with AND accepts.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
they do not need you to explain it in your way.
Of course they do NOT. Just like we do NOT 'need' you to explain any thing in 'your way'.
But, if people do NOT express and share their views, then they can NOT have them critiqued and/or discredit nor have them agreed with and/or accepted.
Also, are you suggesting that I share my views, in 'your way' and not in 'my way'?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
You can share what you think you know, but the world is not doomed or failed if you don't.
How do 'you' KNOW this?
Also, OBVIOUSLY the 'world', earth itself, is NOT doomed. But, the 'world', in which 'you', human beings, create, that is; the greedy, war-torn, polluted 'world' that 'you', human beings, continue to create, when this is being written, will obviously doom or fail. Adult human beings can NOT continue at the exponential rate of being as greedy and as selfish as they are when this is being written without that 'world', which they are creating, to ultimately be doomed and fail.
Obviously what I think I know can NOT 'save the world'. Only 'you', human beings, can do that. But if I NEVER share my views, what I think, then they can NEVER be LOOKED AT.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
I think the greatest mistake anyone can make is to deny that the same essence is throughout all, regardless of the form it takes.
But who denies this?
I have been CLEARLY STATING that what 'it' IS that 'we' ALL agree with is what will unite us, which in turns is what leads EVERY one to a living a Truly peaceful and harmonious life as One. Obviously this INFERS that there is the SAME 'essence' throughout ALL.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
We can wrestle with forms -- we can believe them to be important and real -- and/or we can enjoy them. Whatever suits/entertains you.
We KNOW this is what 'you' think. You have repeated this previously. But, in telling "others" this, what purpose does this suit you?
Is continually telling us this meant to create or achieve some thing?
If yes, then what is that thing, EXACTLY?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
If you/anyone try to tell others that you know or have things to share that will
make others and the world a better place, and imply that others are not doing so, or that all is not fine without your viewpoint, you are glorifying yourself.
When 'you' discover the, proper AND correct, answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?', then you will 'understand' the, so called, "glorifying", of thy 'Self'.
Thy 'Self', if you want a hint, is the One same 'Essence'.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
I think that is foolish and noisy, and creates more of the same kind of unawareness and disconnection that humans hope/strive to rise above.
This is ALREADY KNOWN, and also EXPLAINS WHY you NOT even LISTEN to what is actually being said by "others", who you ASSUME have some underlying and/or ulterior motive.
NOT listening and NOT 'trying to' FULLY understand "others" is actually what creates True disconnection of the same Essence.
It is from Truly LISTENING where FULL
understanding of "others" comes from. It is from the FULLY
understanding of "others" and the shared SAME agreed upon experiences when and where human beings WILL evolve into the next stage along the evolutionary slide of Life, Itself. It is ONLY through LISTENING to "others" where and when AGREEMENT is reached, and it is through AGREEMENT, Itself, where the Essence, Itself, is REVEALED and comes-to-BE, and be KNOWN, in the form of Its True Self.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:50 pm
Presenting anything as some kind of sacred/divine/greater "truth" is just another delusion that's not even clever to use anymore, except maybe with very gullible people -- and only reveals the level of the one who uses it.
Now, we are back to the very beginning, where because you LOST ALL TRUST in "others", because of your own personal experiences, in childhood and through religion, where you now think and BELIEVE that it is perfectly acceptable to NOT listen to what "another" has to say if it is expressed in a particular way, which you Truly do NOT like and do NOT trust.
By the way, just HOW do you, supposedly, KNOW that "presenting ANY 'thing' as some kind of sacred/divine/greater 'truth' is just another "delusion"?
And, how do you KNOW, for sure, without any doubt whatsoever, that presenting any thing that way is not even clever to use anymore? Just maybe some one might use that way to further instill an already held fear in "others", which makes them ASSUME and BELIEVE things, which may NOT even be 'truths' at all, from the outset? Some one might use this way to present things to get "others" to expose their own ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, in order to EXPOSE just how the brain can and will only work on previous past experiences, and by its self is just NOT able to LOOK AT things from a Truly OPEN perspective?
Also, does saying to present anything in that way might only work on the "very gullible people" self-"justify" your reasons for NOT even giving what is to be presented ANY chance at all? And, the alluding to, the ones who present that way "only reveals the level of the one who uses it" is just ANOTHER WAY of degrading, ridiculing, and humiliating those ones, in front of "others", so that they feel better about themselves, and further outcasts as well.
OBVIOUSLY, if views are NOT even given a chance to be presented, heard, NOR listened to FULLY and OPENLY, then they can NOT accurately be discredited beforehand.
To PRESUME that just the presenting of ANY thing in some way means and concludes what you have here, SHOWS and REVEALS just how CLOSED some human beings can be to some 'thing', which they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA AT ALL what 'it' could even be actually about, let alone what 'it' IS actually about.