The Existential Crisis

[Dontaskme]

The label 'human being', like EVERY other label, is placed onto a conceptualized only "separated" thing, which "each" are a part of the always evolving and changing One Thing.

How a, so called, "human" was made from "scratch" is when the word "human" was made, from a species, which was and is capable of producing that word. Now, how each and EVERY labeled thing, (besides the Mind and the Universe, themselves), are, so called, "made from scratch" is they are NOT "made from scratch". They are made from at least two things coming together BEFORE they are created, or, in other words, come into Creation. ALL things, besides the Mind and the Universe, are made, or created, this way. Oh, and by the way, they ALL evolve.

And this explanation my friend is what's called conceptual KNOWLEDGE.

And is why all humans suffer because of their so called claimed conceptual KNOWLEDGE. So again, I ask you, why would a knower of knowledge then want to IMPOSE that knowledge on another innocent child when you already KNOW what impact this knowing knowledge would have on an innocent child, because the same knowledge would just be passed onto them too?

Notice in the natural world, animals are literally torn apart by other animals, they have no concept of right or wrong, evil or good, there's just what seems like a barbaric torturing to the death, where animals are continuingly fighting for their survival at any cost, in an uncaring hostile environment. Some animals even starve to death because they become too weak to hunt for food, due to their horrific injuries, and there are no animal hospitals where they can fix their broken limbs that must be agonising for them, and yet these wild animals just have to SUCK IT ALL UP...and endure it all.

So why can't YOU

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[Sculptor]

I have ALREADY informed you that what you see as "shouty" is NOT "shouty" at all, and NEVER was intended to be "shouty".

If you can NOT comprehend this, then that is one thing. But, you keeping on ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING that I am being "shouty" is just MORE PRIME EVIDENCE of how the BELIEF-system will NOT allow a human being to be able to SEE NOR HEAR what the actual Truth IS.

It is this SIMPLE: There are different ways to EMPHASIZE words, as I have ALREADY EXPLAINED to you. I CHOOSE to do it HOW I WANT TO, without necessarily being, so called, "shouty" at all.

One day you MIGHT recognize and UNDERSTAND this FACT. We will just have to wait and SEE.



Does living in harmony with EVERY one also rely on accepting that EVERY one is just one part of thee One?

If so, then 'you' might have to start realizing what the human being actually IS, and what thee One really IS.

By the way, living in peace and harmony with EVERY 'one', as One, then what NEEDS to be REALIZED is 'human beings' are absolutely NOTHING, which is more special than ANY other 'thing' is. EVERY one is a part of thee One, and NOTHING is apart from thee One.

Also, do you have ANY actual 'evidence' that 'I' have absolutely NO skill in living peacefully and harmoniously?

If yes, then will 'you' share that with 'us'?

Tut tut.
Yet another shouty response that I have no bothered to read.
PLONK

But you have said this previously, but then CONTRADICT THIS by reading my, so called, "shouty" posts when you, supposedly, CHOOSE TO.

Obviously, it ALL depends on what is written in my "shouty" posts how you will respond to them. If you are NOT capable of responding to what is actually pointed out, challenging, or being asked of you, then you will allege that you have "not bothered to read". BUT , what is OBVIOUS is you have to read the "shouty" post FIRST, which can be CLEARLY EVIDENCED by the way you respond some times.

Please refer to the remark I made above

[Age]

The label 'human being', like EVERY other label, is placed onto a conceptualized only "separated" thing, which "each" are a part of the always evolving and changing One Thing.

How a, so called, "human" was made from "scratch" is when the word "human" was made, from a species, which was and is capable of producing that word. Now, how each and EVERY labeled thing, (besides the Mind and the Universe, themselves), are, so called, "made from scratch" is they are NOT "made from scratch". They are made from at least two things coming together BEFORE they are created, or, in other words, come into Creation. ALL things, besides the Mind and the Universe, are made, or created, this way. Oh, and by the way, they ALL evolve.

And this explanation my friend is what's called conceptual KNOWLEDGE.

And is why all humans suffer because of their so called claimed conceptual KNOWLEDGE.

How exactly do 'you', human beings, supposedly 'suffer' due to your, so called, "claimed conceptual KNOWLEDGE"?

Also, WHY do YOU call this "conceptual KNOWLEDGE" in one sentence, and then in your next sentence you say, " 'so called' claimed conceptual KNOWLEDGE. "?

Why did you use the words "so called" here now?

So again, I ask you, why would a knower of knowledge then want to IMPOSE that knowledge on another innocent child when you already KNOW what impact this knowing knowledge would have on an innocent child, because the same knowledge would just be passed onto them too?

Because of what this WILL finally create and achieve.

Notice in the natural world,

Is there ANY 'other' world other than the 'natural world'?

If yes, then what is/are it/they called? And, what does it/they look like?

How does it/they behave differently compared to this 'natural world'?

animals are literally torn apart by other animals, they have no concept of right or wrong, evil or good, there's just what seems like a barbaric torturing to the death, where animals are continuingly fighting for their survival at any cost, in an uncaring hostile environment.

Yes this is EXACTLY what I observe, some times, from that animal known as the human being.

Some animals even starve to death because they become too weak to hunt for food, due to their horrific injuries, and there are no animal hospitals where they can fix their broken limbs that must be agonising for them, and yet these wild animals just have to SUCK IT ALL UP...and endure it all.

Just like those human children who just NEED a tiny bit of food, which they OBVIOUSLY can NOT hunt for themselves, but which other older human beings will just, literally, throw away as rubbish, in front of the eyes of these weak and injured children. It is like these older ones like to show the younger and weaker ones who is "boss" and who has the actual "control" of, and is creating, this 'world', which the younger ones HAVE TO 'endure'

So why can't YOU

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Why can I NOT 'what'?

SUCK UP observing and watching the Truly innocent younger ones of the human species dying from STARVING TO DEATH is BECAUSE I do NOT like to witness GREED and ABUSE at all, let alone in this sort of fashion. Especially from a, so called, "intelligent", "loving", "caring" species.

From what I have observed the human species, at times, is the MOST unintelligent, unloving, and uncaring species of ALL the species of animals on earth. In fact I have NEVER witnessed a species so 'hell-bent' on obtaining pieces as many pieces of human-made paper/plastic with numbers on it, that they will even go to the extreme of destroying their ONE and ONLY home till they ALL go extinct just so they can keep obtaining as much of this paper/plastic as they can.

From what I have observed there is absolutely NO other animal that is as STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC as this.

[Age]

Tut tut.
Yet another shouty response that I have no bothered to read.
PLONK

But you have said this previously, but then CONTRADICT THIS by reading my, so called, "shouty" posts when you, supposedly, CHOOSE TO.

Obviously, it ALL depends on what is written in my "shouty" posts how you will respond to them. If you are NOT capable of responding to what is actually pointed out, challenging, or being asked of you, then you will allege that you have "not bothered to read". BUT , what is OBVIOUS is you have to read the "shouty" post FIRST, which can be CLEARLY EVIDENCED by the way you respond some times.

Please refer to the remark I made above

WHY I did NOT care about the remark you made above BEFORE, so I am certainly NOT going to THIS TIME.

[Dontaskme]

From what I have observed there is absolutely NO other animal that is as STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC as this.

Well if there really was an I that could observe this STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC THIS

Then it would make a whole lot of sense if that I just completely stopped observing THIS

Notice other animals never know such concepts as STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC...this I really has to stop identifying with these concepts, as if they belong to I, until I stop owning concepts, then my concepts I believe are mine will continue to show-up in my I

Are you getting the gist yet? ..probably NOT... more Nondual studies for you then.

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[Atla]

If you believe so, then it is so, correct?

Why, are you two people?

NOT TO ME.

From just how CLOSED 'you' are now, it would NOT be possible for 'me' to explain to 'you' who and what the 'you' actually IS.

At least you have now become somewhat open, which was what I was seeking.

Yet another wrong assumption. I'm always open to any possibility, but that flew over your head.

LOL

But what is 'possible' to 'you' is VERY LIMITED.

To say, "I'm always open to any possibility" just REVEALS how CLOSED 'you' REALLY ARE.

Obviously you are ONLY open to what you BELIEVE is "possible", AND, absolutely ANY thing else you are COMPLETELY CLOSED TO. 'you' ALSO ONLY see 'what is possible' is what 'you' ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

More dead wrong assumptions. I'm open to any possibility, including your idea. It's one possibility out of infinitely many. It's just that so far there is zero evidence for it so it gets discarded.
And so far it looks like that I know the 'I' better than you do.

Why don't you try NOT making completely wrong assumptions already?

[Lacewing]

I have continually made it KNOWN that what is happening NOW is PERFECT, EXACTLY HOW IT IS.

This hostile malfunctioning horror show, on earth, when this is being written, is EXACTLY what children have endure and bear witness to.

Is the malfunction (you've referred to above) perfection?

What are you doing to help ease/resolve children's suffering?

Many of us survived childhood horrors. Do you think there is something about this that we don't understand now that we are adults?

[Dontaskme]

Why can I NOT 'what'?

SUCK UP observing and watching the Truly innocent younger ones of the human species dying from STARVING TO DEATH is BECAUSE I do NOT like to witness GREED and ABUSE at all, let alone in this sort of fashion. Especially from a, so called, "intelligent", "loving", "caring" species.

From what I have observed the human species, at times, is the MOST unintelligent, unloving, and uncaring species of ALL the species of animals on earth. In fact I have NEVER witnessed a species so 'hell-bent' on obtaining pieces as many pieces of human-made paper/plastic with numbers on it, that they will even go to the extreme of destroying their ONE and ONLY home till they ALL go extinct just so they can keep obtaining as much of this paper/plastic as they can.

From what I have observed there is absolutely NO other animal that is as STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC as this.

But it's not just about ALL the hienous selfish actions of human beings, there's a lot more to it than that, stuff that runs much deeper.
Like all the horrible, nasty, disgusting diseases and illness and other deplorable debilitating conditions that humans have to endure, just about anything can affect a human child or any human at any time, causing life changing crippling effects, what about the story of the elephant man syndrome, and the chance of being born blind etc..it's such a gamble to impose the suffering that is life on a new life, so why gamble what we already know about suffering on a new life when we don't have to, no one ever really thinks any of this through seriously enough do they.

See here, the list is endless ...all these other conditions added to the already insufferable human pains and woes inflicted by humans on other humans, all of this contribute to the suffering of every animal and human body. No one ever asks for all these crappy experiences do they?..gosh if one really knew what being born would entail, I'm pretty sure there would be a resounding THANKS BUT NO THANKS to that stupid game.
https://www.cdc.gov/diseasesconditions/az/a.html

So yeah, it's really such a loving, caring universe isn't it..it's just the gift that keeps on giving.
And what about horrific injuries caused by car-crashes, or the endless painful rehabilation therapy people have to go through for people who have survived plane crashes, or train wrecks, or being mauled by savage domestic dogs, where some children have even had their faces ripped off.

Who would want to impose any of these possibilties on another human being?


There's no such thing as a perfect world Age, that fact is what you need to suck up.



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[Belinda]

Why can I NOT 'what'?

SUCK UP observing and watching the Truly innocent younger ones of the human species dying from STARVING TO DEATH is BECAUSE I do NOT like to witness GREED and ABUSE at all, let alone in this sort of fashion. Especially from a, so called, "intelligent", "loving", "caring" species.

From what I have observed the human species, at times, is the MOST unintelligent, unloving, and uncaring species of ALL the species of animals on earth. In fact I have NEVER witnessed a species so 'hell-bent' on obtaining pieces as many pieces of human-made paper/plastic with numbers on it, that they will even go to the extreme of destroying their ONE and ONLY home till they ALL go extinct just so they can keep obtaining as much of this paper/plastic as they can.

From what I have observed there is absolutely NO other animal that is as STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC as this.

But it's not just about ALL the hienous selfish actions of human beings, there's a lot more to it than that, stuff that runs much deeper.
Like all the horrible, nasty, disgusting diseases and illness and other deplorable debilitating conditions that humans have to endure, just about anything can affect a human child or any human at any time, causing life changing crippling effects, what about the story of the elephant man syndrome, and the chance of being born blind etc..it's such a gamble to impose the suffering that is life on a new life, so why gamble what we already know about suffering on a new life when we don't have to, no one ever really thinks any of this through seriously enough do they.

See here, the list is endless ...all these other conditions added to the already insufferable human pains and woes inflicted by humans on other humans, all of this contribute to the suffering of every animal and human body. No one ever asks for all these crappy experiences do they?..gosh if one really knew what being born would entail, I'm pretty sure there would be a resounding THANKS BUT NO THANKS to that stupid game.
https://www.cdc.gov/diseasesconditions/az/a.html

So yeah, it's really such a loving, caring universe isn't it..it's just the gift that keeps on giving.
And what about horrific injuries caused by car-crashes, or the endless painful rehabilation therapy people have to go through for people who have survived plane crashes, or train wrecks, or being mauled by savage domestic dogs, where some children have even had their faces ripped off.

Who would want to impose any of these possibilties on another human being?


There's no such thing as a perfect world Age, that fact is what you need to suck up.



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Again, DAM takes the wider, deterministic ,and more neutral view of our species as natural like any other event is a natural and necessary event.

However what our species has, and all other events or life forms lack, is reason. Reason allows our species so much choice that we can be active, conscious, agents for change. Other species react: men reason.

[Dontaskme]

Again, DAM takes the wider, deterministic ,and more neutral view of our species as natural like any other event is a natural and necessary event.

However what our species has, and all other events or life forms lack, is reason. Reason allows our species so much choice that we can be active, conscious, agents for change. Other species react: men reason.

Thanks Belinda.

Could the concept ''Reason'' be just another energetic appearance within infinite consciousness. An energy that can manifest as both a positive or a negative. . ie: A woman could very easily convince herself that the reason why she spontaneously flew into a blind rage and stabbed her husband to death when he told her that he has cheated on her and will be leaving her for the other woman.
The woman could even convince herself when after the fit of rage is over, that she had every good reason to commit the negative reaction. Knowing she had sacrificed 30 years of loving loyal devotion to him, only to be let down and betrayed. So in essence, reason can serve as both a positive or negative energy.

Is this the kind of reason you are talking about Belinda?


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[Dontaskme]

Why can I NOT 'what'?

SUCK UP observing and watching the Truly innocent younger ones of the human species dying from STARVING TO DEATH is BECAUSE I do NOT like to witness GREED and ABUSE at all, let alone in this sort of fashion. Especially from a, so called, "intelligent", "loving", "caring" species.

From what I have observed there is absolutely NO other animal that is as STUPID, GREEDY, and MORONIC as this.

Age, can you at least watch this video by Rupert Spira to see if what he says can shed any light on the problem of human stupidy for you?
Let me know what you think about how someone else, another human being like yourself, shows the listening audience another way of looking at why reality is the way it is.

Why Does Consciousness Allow Violence Towards Children?
Duration time. 11:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6id-iLt5eE

Feedback from the video would be appreciated, but obviously you are of course in no way obligated to watch it...I just thought it might help you understand the bigger picture that's all.

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[Belinda]

Again, DAM takes the wider, deterministic ,and more neutral view of our species as natural like any other event is a natural and necessary event.

However what our species has, and all other events or life forms lack, is reason. Reason allows our species so much choice that we can be active, conscious, agents for change. Other species react: men reason.

Thanks Belinda.

Could the concept ''Reason'' be just another energetic appearance within infinite consciousness. An energy that can manifest as both a positive or a negative. . ie: A woman could very easily convince herself that the reason why she spontaneously flew into a blind rage and stabbed her husband to death when he told her that he has cheated on her and will be leaving her for the other woman.
The woman could even convince herself when after the fit of rage is over, that she had every good reason to commit the negative reaction. Knowing she had sacrificed 30 years of loving loyal devotion to him, only to be let down and betrayed. So in essence, reason can serve as both a positive or negative energy.

Is this the kind of reason you are talking about Belinda?


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The woman in your illustration was rationalising after the event. If she had reasoned before the murder event she may have reasoned it was better not to kill her husband if only so she'd not be sent to prison. Rationalising is not reasoning and is self delusion.

That super-reasoner, Buddha, would say the woman's error was to be so committed to the needs of her ego that she did not do the right action. The right action in any circumstances may include conceding defeat.

Of course, the husband too was over-committed to his perceived needs and desires i.e. he was too fond of his ego.

[Dontaskme]

The woman in your illustration was rationalising after the event. If she had reasoned before the murder event she may have reasoned it was better not to kill her husband if only so she'd not be sent to prison. Rationalising is not reasoning and is self delusion.

That super-reasoner, Buddha, would say the woman's error was to be so committed to the needs of her ego that she did not do the right action. The right action in any circumstances may include conceding defeat.

Of course, the husband too was over-committed to his perceived needs and desires i.e. he was too fond of his ego.

Thank you Belinda for your reply.

I understand what you are saying in the context of a conceptual story.

However, the illustration was only story arising from no place, to no one, unwritten, and read by no one, and that the characters in the story are an appearance, aka an experience no one was having, or experiencing. Experience seems to be made of objects and entities but in fact is only made of Consciousness. Nothing can be known of Consciousness. So anything that is known is just imagination arising out of the same mystery that is Consciousness.

Nothing can be found to exist in experience that is separate from Consciousness, the only substance to all experience is the same Consciousness.
The energy that takes the conceptual form of a 'someone' who can reason in a rational way, or a 'someone' who does not reason in a rational way are still the same one energy appearing as different forms. In essence, there is no one who reasons, nor is there any one who does not reason..the idea of reasoning is just an energetic appearance made of no thing.

That super-reasoner, Buddha does not exist, Buddha simply means NO SELF...in which every thing appears as illusory characters that know nothing. And that anything that is known, is just pure speculative imagination, here today, gone tomorrow.

[Belinda]

The woman in your illustration was rationalising after the event. If she had reasoned before the murder event she may have reasoned it was better not to kill her husband if only so she'd not be sent to prison. Rationalising is not reasoning and is self delusion.

That super-reasoner, Buddha, would say the woman's error was to be so committed to the needs of her ego that she did not do the right action. The right action in any circumstances may include conceding defeat.

Of course, the husband too was over-committed to his perceived needs and desires i.e. he was too fond of his ego.

Thank you Belinda for your reply.

I understand what you are saying in the context of a conceptual story.

However, the illustration was only story arising from no place, to no one, unwritten, and read by no one, and that the characters in the story are an appearance, aka an experience no one was having, or experiencing. Experience seems to be made of objects and entities but in fact is only made of Consciousness. Nothing can be known of Consciousness. So anything that is known is just imagination arising out of the same mystery that is Consciousness.

Nothing can be found to exist in experience that is separate from Consciousness, the only substance to all experience is the same Consciousness.
The energy that takes the conceptual form of a 'someone' who can reason in a rational way, or a 'someone' who does not reason in a rational way are still the same one energy appearing as different forms. In essence, there is no one who reasons, nor is there any one who does not reason..the idea of reasoning is just an energetic appearance made of no thing.

That super-reasoner, Buddha does not exist, Buddha simply means NO SELF...in which every thing appears as illusory characters that know nothing. And that anything that is known, is just pure speculative imagination, here today, gone tomorrow.

I agree with your reply. The existential problem here is you are right, and my sort of analysis of your story is also right. If there were a traditional personal God he would say "I never promised your lives would be easy to understand."

The fact is we are born into a relative, temporal world and we have to get on with it if we are to continue to exist.

[Dontaskme]

The woman in your illustration was rationalising after the event. If she had reasoned before the murder event she may have reasoned it was better not to kill her husband if only so she'd not be sent to prison. Rationalising is not reasoning and is self delusion.

That super-reasoner, Buddha, would say the woman's error was to be so committed to the needs of her ego that she did not do the right action. The right action in any circumstances may include conceding defeat.

Of course, the husband too was over-committed to his perceived needs and desires i.e. he was too fond of his ego.

Thank you Belinda for your reply.

I understand what you are saying in the context of a conceptual story.

However, the illustration was only story arising from no place, to no one, unwritten, and read by no one, and that the characters in the story are an appearance, aka an experience no one was having, or experiencing. Experience seems to be made of objects and entities but in fact is only made of Consciousness. Nothing can be known of Consciousness. So anything that is known is just imagination arising out of the same mystery that is Consciousness.

Nothing can be found to exist in experience that is separate from Consciousness, the only substance to all experience is the same Consciousness.
The energy that takes the conceptual form of a 'someone' who can reason in a rational way, or a 'someone' who does not reason in a rational way are still the same one energy appearing as different forms. In essence, there is no one who reasons, nor is there any one who does not reason..the idea of reasoning is just an energetic appearance made of no thing.

That super-reasoner, Buddha does not exist, Buddha simply means NO SELF...in which every thing appears as illusory characters that know nothing. And that anything that is known, is just pure speculative imagination, here today, gone tomorrow.

I agree with your reply. The existential problem here is you are right, and my sort of analysis of your story is also right. If there were a traditional personal God he would say "I never promised your lives would be easy to understand."

The fact is we are born into a relative, temporal world and we have to get on with it if we are to continue to exist.

Very well said, thank you.