The Existential Crisis

[Age]

'Oneness' can NOT be to difficult at all to comprehend, especially if some one like me, that is; autistic, slow, stupid, and a complete nonintellectual, came to UNDERSTAND It FULLY, and in extremely easy and simple terms.

Has it ever occured to you that maybe you really are just a mentally ill idiot, and you were never open to what 'Oneness' actually is?

Yes.

But considering you are not yet aware of what Oneness Truly IS, and what Oneness Truly IS became KNOWN to me, then being a so called "mentally ill idiot" may have been the actual requirement for being OPEN enough to discover, learn, and UNDERSTAND what Oneness Truly IS. Or, I might have become OPEN enough for some other reason, of which you are in complete ignorance of, YET. But you will NEVER know, because of how obviously CLOSED you ARE.

If you want to put to the test my KNOWLEDGE of Oneness up against your knowledge of Oneness, then go right ahead and proceed. I look forward to absolutely ANY and ALL challenging.

[Age]

Again as Descartes pointed out, the only thing that you cannot doubt is that there are direct experiences; one of which is called 'red' - again in certain contexts.

But 'direct experiences' can be doubted quite frequently.

For example:
Did that person actually say that?
Was that really what I saw?
I am not sure what that tastes like.
I do not know what that smell is.
I do not know how I feel about that.

Well look, your brain is working all the time, turning a bunch of colours, sounds, smells, tastes, physical and emotional feelings into something that fits a narrative you have been living since the moment some spark of consciousness woke you up in your mother's womb. You can doubt the story your brain has made up for you from the input, but you cannot doubt that there is input, even if it is your brain making its own shit up.

Look, you can tell us what 'you' do, but you can NOT always successfully tell "others" what 'I' do, like this time.

When, and IF, you EVER become OPEN enough, then I can and will explain to 'you' how 'I" can doubt that there is input. But until then you will remain with 'your' very OWN story. Remember, that that brain is making up its OWN story about how it can NOT doubt that there is input.

I KNOW what the ONLY thing is that is NOT in doubt, to me. That there is input is NOT it.

Also, that there are direct experiences could actually be doubted.

Nah. The source might be doubted, but not the experience.

But when thoughts like, 'Did I just see that?', then obviously the experience is being doubted.

Once again, remember that that is YOUR "story", It is NOT my 'story'.

I can explain my 'story' logically, validly, and soundly, but obviously not to 'you'. This is because you BELIEVE 'you' ALREADY KNOW, without any doubt, what thee actual irrefutable Truth IS, and so you are obviously completely and utterly CLOSED to absolutely anything contrary.

Also, 'your story' was just one of those generally held 'stories' in historical times, from my perspective. Just like the 'story' that the earth is at the center of the Universe is a historical 'story' to you. Your other 'story' that it is impossible for human beings to live in peace and harmony with one "another" is also a pre-historic and extremely outdated 'story', from my perspective. But, 'we' ALL do live in our own 'stories'.

Some 'stories' are just far more factual and True than others ones are.

Discovering and learning HOW to decipher the factual and True 'stories' from all the other 'stories', properly and correctly, is just a process, which when learned and is being doing becomes far simpler and easy all the time.

[Atla]

Yes.

But considering you are not yet aware of what Oneness Truly IS, and what Oneness Truly IS became KNOWN to me, then being a so called "mentally ill idiot" may have been the actual requirement for being OPEN enough to discover, learn, and UNDERSTAND what Oneness Truly IS. Or, I might have become OPEN enough for some other reason, of which you are in complete ignorance of, YET. But you will NEVER know, because of how obviously CLOSED you ARE.

If you want to put to the test my KNOWLEDGE of Oneness up against your knowledge of Oneness, then go right ahead and proceed. I look forward to absolutely ANY and ALL challenging.

That's what we've been doing on and off these last 1-2 years: I've shown how wrong you are about 'Oneness', you thoroughly failed my challenge.

[Age]

Yes.

But considering you are not yet aware of what Oneness Truly IS, and what Oneness Truly IS became KNOWN to me, then being a so called "mentally ill idiot" may have been the actual requirement for being OPEN enough to discover, learn, and UNDERSTAND what Oneness Truly IS. Or, I might have become OPEN enough for some other reason, of which you are in complete ignorance of, YET. But you will NEVER know, because of how obviously CLOSED you ARE.

If you want to put to the test my KNOWLEDGE of Oneness up against your knowledge of Oneness, then go right ahead and proceed. I look forward to absolutely ANY and ALL challenging.

That's what we've been doing on and off these last 1-2 years: I've shown how wrong you are about 'Oneness', you thoroughly failed my challenge.

All you have REVEALED is that you do not BELIEVE 'Oneness'. This, by the way, is BECAUSE you could NOT find 'Oneness', even though 'you' were the one who was actually looking for It.

You just feel disheartened and let down because I stumbled upon what you could NOT find, and do not forget I was NOT even looking for any such thing.

By the way, if you have supposedly "shown how wrong I am about Oneness", then do not be afraid to PROVE that you have actually done this.

Your willingness now to provide ANY thing, and being OPEN to discussing that, or your refusal to NOT provide absolutely any thing at all, will REVEAL Truthfully if you have actually previously "shown how wrong I am about Oneness", or NOT.

So, I await, and look forward to your response or to your continual hiding and allegation making.

If you have SOMETHING to SHOW, then provide it, and prove your claim is TRUE, with thee EVIDENCE. Just saying that you have done something is NO evidence NOR proof at all, OBVIOUSLY.

[Atla]

All you have REVEALED is that you do not BELIEVE 'Oneness'. This, by the way, is BECAUSE you could NOT find 'Oneness' ... bla bla bla

I made it clear from the start that not only did I "find it", but I have a better understanding of it than you, idiot. You ran away from addressing my objections (because you can't).

[Dontaskme]

Reply to the question from Age that I failed to clarify with an answer.

Yes, there is only ONE consciousness.

[Age]

Reply to the question from Age that I failed to clarify with an answer.

Yes, there is only ONE consciousness.

Thank you.

[Age]

All you have REVEALED is that you do not BELIEVE 'Oneness'. This, by the way, is BECAUSE you could NOT find 'Oneness' ... bla bla bla

I made it clear from the start that not only did I "find it", but I have a better understanding of it than you, idiot.

How do you KNOW you have a better understanding than me, if you do NOT YET KNOW what my understanding is?

I have NOT yet expressed my understanding.
So, you do NOT YET KNOW what my understanding IS.
Therefore, you do NOT YET KNOW if you have a better understanding of 'It' than I do. (Unless of course you can show and prove otherwise. Can you?)

Also, IF, as you propose you found 'It' AND you have a better understanding of 'It' than me, then please feel FREE to explain your understanding of 'Oneness'.

You ran away from addressing my objections (because you can't).

Did I really?

So, what did you supposedly "object to", AND, what was this supposed "objection" EXACTLY?

Once again, Just saying that you have done something is NO evidence NOR proof at all, OBVIOUSLY.

I suggest that if you want to make claims, then you at least have some sort of evidence to back up and support your claim BEFORE you make the claim itself.

[Atla]

How do you KNOW you have a better understanding than me, if you do NOT YET KNOW what my understanding is? ... BLA BLA BLA

I made it clear from the start that I roughly know what your understanding is because that's all you talk about, you lying piece of shit. I've seen that kind of insanity many times before from other people.

[uwot]

Look, you can tell us what 'you' do, but you can NOT always successfully tell "others" what 'I' do, like this time.

I'm sure the irony of three individuals bickering about the nature of oneness isn't lost on any neutrals.

When, and IF, you EVER become OPEN enough, then I can and will explain to 'you' how 'I" can doubt that there is input.

This is a cowardly, elitist and potentially dangerous way to think. It is cowardly because had you the courage of your convictions you would simply state them without demanding that I believe them prior to knowing what they are and giving yourself the opportunity to blame me for not believing what you happen to believe. Which brings us on to elitism - only people who agree with you are 'open', while those who don't are "obviously completely and utterly CLOSED". Which becomes dangerous when groups who think a particular way start wondering what to do about people who are obviously completely and utterly CLOSED.

But until then you will remain with 'your' very OWN story. Remember, that that brain is making up its OWN story about how it can NOT doubt that there is input.

Well Age; the only brain in which absolutely nothing is happening is a dead brain.

[Age]

How do you KNOW you have a better understanding than me, if you do NOT YET KNOW what my understanding is? ... BLA BLA BLA

I made it clear from the start that I roughly know what your understanding is because that's all you talk about, you lying piece of shit. I've seen that kind of insanity many times before from other people.

LOL This is what you wrote, before:
I made it clear from the start that not only did I "find it", but I have a better understanding of it than you, idiot.

But now you make the claim:
I made it clear from the start that I roughly know what your understanding is ...

So, at one moment you 'have a better understanding' than me, but when I question you about this, and point out what thee actual Truth IS, you change and suddenly now you only 'roughly know what my understanding is'.

Just to make it clear to you, one can ONLY know if they have a better understanding of something than another does, IF and only IF AND WHEN they FULLY KNOW what the other's understanding actually IS. You do NOT know what MY UNDERSTANDING IS. I have NOT even explained about 10% of what I have to explain. So, you are STILL a LONG WAY from KNOWING what MY UNDERSTANDING IS. Understood?

Naming and calling me an "idiot", "a piece of shit", and/or "insane" still does NOT prove your claim that you know some thing nor that you have done something previously.

Once again, if you want to make a claim, then I suggest you have AT LEAST SOME THING that you can use to back up and support your claim.

Also, do not forget;
Just saying that you have done something is NO evidence NOR proof at all that you actually have, OBVIOUSLY.

If you want to be truly and seriously listened to and heard, then, especially, on a philosophy forum, evidence and proof is NEEDED for claims.

[Age]

Look, you can tell us what 'you' do, but you can NOT always successfully tell "others" what 'I' do, like this time.

I'm sure the irony of three individuals bickering about the nature of oneness isn't lost on any neutrals.

Does this have absolutely ANY thing to do with the fact that although you may be capable to speak for 'you', you are INCAPABLE to speak for 'Me'?

If yes, then what is it?

When, and IF, you EVER become OPEN enough, then I can and will explain to 'you' how 'I" can doubt that there is input.

This is a cowardly, elitist and potentially dangerous way to think.

And, this is the way you see things, which obviously does not necessarily have any bearing on what thee actual Truth IS.

It is cowardly because had you the courage of your convictions you would simply state them without demanding that I believe them prior to knowing what they are and giving yourself the opportunity to blame me for not believing what you happen to believe.

This is about one of the most insane comments I have seen, for a while.

You KNOW I do NOT believe this.
I do NOT demand you believe absolutely ANY thing at all, ESPECIALLY what you are proposing here, which is absolutely laughable.
You make the claim in the beginning, and the ONLY THING you used to back up and support your claim is the words/beliefs of ANOTHER human being.
Do you actually have ANY thing else, like, for example; evidence and/or proof to back up your claims?
I informed you that IF and WHEN you are OPEN enough, then I can and will tell you WHY you are WRONG. But, while you continue to BELIEVE what you do, there is absolutely NO use telling you and showing you anything contrary. You obviously are NOT and will NOT be OPEN to hearing and seeing it.

LOOK, you obviously BELIEVE that NO one can doubt that there are 'direct experiences'. Therefore, there is NOTHING more to say to 'you'. I will just leave you be. Happy in your OWN, to you, "irrefutable" BELIEFS.

Which brings us on to elitism - only people who agree with you are 'open',

You are so, so FAR from what is actually real and true here, that if I was not already aware of human stupidity, then I would be absolutely shocked.

Why you say and/or believe here could not be any further from thee Truth of things.

I am NOT even looking for ANY one to agree with me. I am looking for those who neither believe nor disbelieve things. You OBVIOUSLY are NOT one of them.

while those who don't are "obviously completely and utterly CLOSED".

I have hardly said any thing YET to be agreed with. I am just in the process of learning how to communicate, and part of this learning is just finding those who are NOT closed.

Remember, that it was YOU who made the claim that NO one can doubt some thing. And, you are CLOSED OFF from any thing contrary to this claim. So, end of your 'story'.

Which becomes dangerous when groups who think a particular way start wondering what to do about people who are obviously completely and utterly CLOSED.

A lot of assumptions being made in just one sentence. Which by the way NONE of those assumptions have absolutely any thing at all to do with me. Also making assumptions, and then predicting the future only adds to all the other fallacies being made.

But until then you will remain with 'your' very OWN story. Remember, that that brain is making up its OWN story about how it can NOT doubt that there is input.

Well Age; the only brain in which absolutely nothing is happening is a dead brain.

Okay. If that is what you BELIEVE is absolutely true, then that is what you BELIEVE. But, and by the way, you are only digressing FURTHER AWAY from what I have said, and was talking about.

[Skepdick]

"Red" refers to a range of qualia that's probably roughly the same for most people.

Who cares what "red" is if people understand that THIS MEANS STOP and THIS MEANS GO.

The only "problem" is if you can't tell the difference.

You have a very different brain than most people, so who knows what the hell is going on in there when you see a red light.

Apparently your brain does't understand that THIS COLOR signifies different things in different contexts?

[Atla]

LOL This is what you wrote, before:
I made it clear from the start that not only did I "find it", but I have a better understanding of it than you, idiot.

But now you make the claim:
I made it clear from the start that I roughly know what your understanding is ...

So, at one moment you 'have a better understanding' than me, but when I question you about this, and point out what thee actual Truth IS, you change and suddenly now you only 'roughly know what my understanding is'.

... BLA BLA BLA

More bullshit, apparently you can't even differentiate between 'Oneness' and your understanding of 'Oneness'.

[Skepdick]

More bullshit, apparently you can't even differentiate between 'Oneness' and your understanding of 'Oneness'.

You don't even know what it means "to understand".