Trump's failed leadership

[vegetariantaxidermy]

DO you seriously think that money directed from WHO to Trump cronies is going to do any good?
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.

Your "ROTFLMFHO" and "funny" is unnecessary and they indicate some sort of subliminal acknowledgement of your internal weakness.
What count are verified sound arguments supported by evidences.

You are jumping to conclusion that the money will go to cronies.
I predicted 'likely'. Because it is politics, it is very common for 'birds of feather' to go together.
BUT as I had stated I prefer to be objective and will rely on the evidence to make the final conclusion whether whatever action is taken thereafter is evil or not.

34,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.

Yeah, the Wuhan China virus is a bitch.

[commonsense]

You have to present the whole picture to arrive at your conclusion.
It is irrational to jump to conclusion based on what one feels.

A leader is always prepared, stakes his honor on doing his duty to his constituents, keeping himself morally straight, physically strong and mentally awake, and on helping others at all possible times. A leader is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, knows how to be a follower, is cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. A leader always leads by example. A leader focuses on two valuable priorities: the welfare of his constituents and the accomplishment of their goals. A leader is never self-glorifying, self-centered or self-infatuated. A leader is not narcissistic, pompous or smug. A leader must not be egomaniacal, vain or conceited. A leader has tendencies to be selfless, generous, warm-hearted, beneficent, charitable, altruistic, valorous, gallant, unswerving and reassuring.

Trump is no leader.

A leader is simply one who leads a group of people toward some objectives or goals.

leader = the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.
-Google dictionary

In the case of the President of the USA, his leadership and objectives are defined within his 'signed and agreed' terms of employment.

Before the leader is chosen, his moral character may count.
But after the leader is chosen, his moral characters and other not so pleasant traits are put aside [assumed to be accepted to a degree] and the focus is then on whether the leader can lead the group, organization, or country to the agreed objectives within his terms of employment with his employer.
Most people are not mindful of the above points bolded.

I did extensive and was very into 'leadership theory,'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership
One of the types of leadership is 'Situational Leadership' where the moral character of the leader is not the most critical but rather his abilities to perform "optimally" within the specific situations, note;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadershi ... y_theories
Note this fact and requirement for a leader in the specific situation;

Individuals who take on leadership roles in turbulent situations, such as groups facing a threat or ones in which status is determined by intense competition among rivals within the group, tend to be narcissistic: arrogant, self-absorbed, hostile, and very self-confident.
-wiki

Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present.
If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Google, Wikipedia and you have described one who is in charge, but a leader connotes much more.

[Belinda]

Did I mention that? You have a habit of 'embellishing' my comments. WHO has supported Chinese reopening of its revolting and dangerous wet markets. That alone is reason enough. What use has it been in all this? It's as 'useful' as the UN in general.

I guess you confuse wet markets with wild life markets

Take it up with the world's media then.

Yes, I know. There does seem to be a lot of confusion

[Lacewing]

Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present.
If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Google, Wikipedia and you have described one who is in charge, but a leader connotes much more.

How much of a leader is one who the majority of people do not follow? The majority of Americans voted for someone else -- they do NOT follow Trump's insanity. He is in the position for reasons that have nothing to do with ability, and very little to do with truth.

[commonsense]

Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present.
If Trump is that so very bad obviously and evidently, he would not have been elected by the 'majority' of the US.

Google, Wikipedia and you have described one who is in charge, but a leader connotes much more.

How much of a leader is one who the majority of people do not follow? The majority of Americans voted for someone else -- they do NOT follow Trump's insanity. He is in the position for reasons that have nothing to do with ability, and very little to do with truth.

The relationship between Trump and a situation is an estranged one, as evidenced by the narrative of his Coronavirus response.

[Lacewing]

The relationship between Trump and a situation is an estranged one, as evidenced by the narrative of his Coronavirus response.

Agreed.

Trump with his warts and all, is a situational-leader as chosen and contracted for the current situation the US is placed within the world at present...

There is likely a much larger picture to consider, in which Trump is the fallout from a larger psychosis that is playing out. That does not make him respectable or worthy or effective. People have to be smarter than to follow stagnant patterns and to excuse obvious liars and idiots. Such probably IS the deeper psychosis revealing itself and coming to a head... hopefully to be transformed and evolved beyond.

[commonsense]

A leader’s character matters to his constituents even while serving in his position. A leader represents his followers to the world at large.

My mother would roll in her grave if she thought that Trump’s character represented mine.

[FlashDangerpants]

A leader’s character matters to his constituents even while serving in his position. A leader represents his followers to the world at large.

My mother would roll in her grave if she thought that Trump’s character represented mine.

I'm not sure about that. Most of the more effective leaders historically have been kinda slimy shitheels really. Modern democracy and the prominent role of public opinion it entails has changed that dynamic a little perhaps, but maybe less than we like to imagine.

Trump isn't much of a leader for other reasons. He's entirely chaotic and has hired a series of complete humps just because they were nice to him. Betsy DeVos and Ben Carson are lunatics with no ability in their respective roles, but they are retained for some reson. Rick Perry was terrible, but seems to have quit out of self preservation. Others in his cabinet and administration have been actively and publicly undermined by the president himself, Tillerson, Pompeo and Sessions most prominently. Then he's taken bits of his cabinet members' jobs and given them to his son in law to manage - including trying to create peace in the middle east (a tremendous failure, helpfully overshadowed by a global pandemic and a corruption scandal in Israel).

Competent leaders in the modern era don't create an atmosphere of nepotism, cronyism, backbiting, infighting and sycophancy. That stuff worked in Tsarist Russia and medieval Italy, but Trump has brought it back for some reason.

[henry quirk]

And probably more than a little evil.

That's why he's my employee.

[FlashDangerpants]

And probably more than a little evil.

That's why he's my employee.

Well you are happy to advertise your desire to tear down the government and not have it do stuff for you. But does that describe the other trump voters? A lot of Trump's voters seemed to want a giant military capable of fighting many different wars at the same time, an expensive wall for thousands of government agents to watch over and maintain (costing millions of dollars per mile just to erect and fuck knows how much more to repair and staff), a huge bureaucracy to control immigration, another huge buraucracy to maintain a vast array of tarrifs... and tax cuts for everyone too. So your cohort aren't quite such small government types as yourself.

[henry quirk]

Well you are happy to advertise your desire to tear down the government and not have it do stuff for you.

Yep. I hired Trump to wreck shit, plain and simple.


But does that describe the other trump voters?

Some, not all. Some, like me, hired him as hand grenade; others hired him to save them; others hired him for Crom knows what reason.

When I'm behind the curtain, voting (on what gov is gonna do with my money, or for sumthin' or someone I think might, long-runnish, work to minimize gov) I'm alone. Can't be bothered to worry about the other guy's reasonings.


A lot of Trump's voters seemed to want stuff. So your cohort aren't quite such small government types as yourself.

Don't care. As I say: Can't be bothered to worry about the other guy's reasonings.

For the record: I'm not aligned with any party (I'm registered, when I'm registered, as No Party), not even the Libertarians (cuz they're all consequentialists and I'm a Natural Rights type: we don't even see eye to eye on a whole whack of stuff).

[Lacewing]

That's why he's my employee.

I doubt he sees it that way. He's in more of a position to fuck you over than you are of him. And he probably thinks of you as a gullible pawn in his world domination fantasy.

How do you stop the destroyer you put into power, from destroying things that matter?

[henry quirk]

he probably thinks of you

not at all, which is as it should be

I set him to wreckin' the china shop (see what I did there?), absolutely, I don't want him thinkin' about me at all


How do you stop the destroyer you put into power, from destroying things that matter?

I'm thinkin' we -- you and me -- probably don't see eye to eye about what matters.

[Lacewing]

How do you stop the destroyer you put into power, from destroying things that matter?

I'm thinkin' we -- you and me -- probably don't see eye to eye about what matters.

That's not the point. Do you think there's nothing he could destroy that matters to you? Are you really that dead in your brain and your soul?

[Veritas Aequitas]

DO you seriously think that money directed from WHO to Trump cronies is going to do any good?
That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.

Your "ROTFLMFHO" and "funny" is unnecessary and they indicate some sort of subliminal acknowledgement of your internal weakness.
What count are verified sound arguments supported by evidences.

You are jumping to conclusion that the money will go to cronies.
I predicted 'likely'. Because it is politics, it is very common for 'birds of feather' to go together.
BUT as I had stated I prefer to be objective and will rely on the evidence to make the final conclusion whether whatever action is taken thereafter is evil or not.

34,000+ dead, the largest fatality statistic on earth.
And Trump said it would be all over on a couple of weeks.

That was a very early assessment based on information from WHO.
Yes, many other national leaders were influenced and listened to the advice of WHO to the extent the UK Prime Minister, Trudeau's wife and other Ministers elsewhere were infected with COVID19.

IF WHO with many experts has sounded a very serious alarm of a potential pandemic of catastrophic level on this Covid19 early on instead of pussy-footing on the China-Wuhan lies, no national leaders would be so stupid to go against their advice.

What is critical is for a leader to change strategy upon new evidences.
Note Trump did ban travel from China and took other preventive steps after the misled initial advice from WHO.

Btw, the largest numbers of Covid19 and deaths are from Democrats controlled districts and the Federal government do not have sole control over them. Yes, the President is ultimately responsible but in the political arena such as US politics, the brunt of the responsibility in this case rest on the respective Governors.