The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

[Skepdick]

Really... because a particle and a wave existing simultaneously is measurement from a different context. The superposition is subject to a context of measurement, such as a living and dead cat in the box being a measurement.

Q.E.D you don't know what "now" means. Nor "measurement' for that fact.

The cat is in superposition (dead or alive) UNTIL measured.

If a prediction is wrong it is not a prediction now is it?

It's a wrong prediction, a.k.a an error. That's why I also predicted my error rate

[Eodnhoj7]

Really... because a particle and a wave existing simultaneously is measurement from a different context. The superposition is subject to a context of measurement, such as a living and dead cat in the box being a measurement.

Q.E.D you don't know what "now" means. Nor "measurement' for that fact.

Then you can't make any predictions if the future stems from it now can you?

The cat is in superposition (dead or alive) UNTIL measured.

The cat both alive and dead in a box is a context of measuring the cat.

If a prediction is wrong it is not a prediction now is it?

It's a wrong prediction, a.k.a an error. That's why I also predicted my error rate

So is it 50% (either true or false) or 33% (true, false, or both) and which of this two predictions can be predicted accurately as it is a 50% chance you can choose one of the two methods.

[Skepdick]

The cat both alive and dead in a box is a context of measuring the cat.

No, it isn't. It's measuring your state of knowledge about the cat.

So is it 50% (either true or false) or 33% (true, false, or both)

You ever seen a coin land on heads and tails at the same time? I haven't.

and which of this two predictions can be predicted accurately as it is a 50% chance you can choose one of the two methods.

The prediction that can be predicted accurately is that I WILL be wrong 50% of the time.

If I am wrong about being wrong, then I was right about the coin being deterministic.

[Eodnhoj7]

The cat both alive and dead in a box is a context of measuring the cat.

No, it isn't. It's measuring your state of knowledge about the cat.

And the cat as alive is progressively dying, thus both dead and alive.

So is it 50% (either true or false) or 33% (true, false, or both)

You ever seen a coin land on heads and tails at the same time? I haven't.

Stand it on its side.

and which of this two predictions can be predicted accurately as it is a 50% chance you can choose one of the two methods.

The prediction that can be predicted accurately is that I WILL be wrong 50% of the time.

If I am wrong about being wrong, then I was right about the coin being deterministic.

or 33%.

[Skepdick]

And the cat as alive is progressively dying, thus both dead and alive.

More dead and less alive with each passing second.

Stand it on its side.

or 33%

When you find a coin that lands on its side 33% of the time - call me.

[Eodnhoj7]

And the cat as alive is progressively dying, thus both dead and alive.

More dead and less alive with each passing second.

Or more alive than dead considering entropy then negentropy of cells (ie still growing"). The cat always maintains a state of contraction and expansion of some context.

Stand it on its side.

or 33%

When you find a coin that lands on its side 33% of the time - call me.

Coin slot full of quarters.

[Skepdick]

Coin slot full of quarters.

I said 33%. In a coin slot full of quarters 100% of them are on their side.

Find a context in which coins land heads 33% of the time, tails 33% of the time and on their side 33% of the time.

[Eodnhoj7]

Coin slot full of quarters.

I said 33%. In a coin slot full of quarters 100% of them are on their side.

Find a context in which coins land heads 33% of the time, tails 33% of the time and on their side 33% of the time.

Find a context where a coin flips head and tails equally 50% of the time, it would be an ever changing number approaching infinity.

[Skepdick]

Find a context where a coin flips head and tails equally 50% of the time, it would be an ever changing number approaching infinity.

Sure. What error-margin are you willing to tolerate?

[Eodnhoj7]

Find a context where a coin flips head and tails equally 50% of the time, it would be an ever changing number approaching infinity.

Sure. What error-margin are you willing to tolerate?

0.

[Skepdick]

Sure. What error-margin are you willing to tolerate?

0.

Q.E.D I guess I predicted that you expect zero-error, huh?

What you are doing is you are unable to back-propagate the error margins you are dealing with, so you are treating all errors as equivalently wrong.

If you are looking for a gap to play semantic sophistry you could always argue that there is a non-0% margin of error. That's what pyrrhonists do.

[Eodnhoj7]

Sure. What error-margin are you willing to tolerate?

0.

Q.E.D I guess I predicted that you expect zero-error, huh?

That is because I started the premises with that and all premises self reference through further premises. Any prediction is a tautology from the premises.

What you are doing is you are unable to back-propagate the error margins you are dealing with, so you are treating all errors as equivalently wrong.

If you are looking for a gap to play semantic sophistry you could always argue that there is a non-0% margin of error. That's what pyrrhonists do.

Irrelevent as non zero margin of error is still a margin of error. You are arguing probabilism. The future cannot be completely predicted due to variables required to measure it not being seen as a whole.

[Skepdick]

Irrelevent as non zero margin of error is still a margin of error. You are arguing probabilism. The future cannot be completely predicted due to variables required to measure it not being seen as a whole.

If you think that 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% margin of error is the same thing as 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% percent margin of error, then your view is 100% erroneous.

https://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience ... fWrong.htm

[Eodnhoj7]

Irrelevent as non zero margin of error is still a margin of error. You are arguing probabilism. The future cannot be completely predicted due to variables required to measure it not being seen as a whole.

If you think that 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% margin of error is the same thing as 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% percent margin of error, then your view is 100% erroneous.

https://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience ... fWrong.htm

Any percent of a margin of error is a margin of error. Do 99.99999999....% and .000...0001% differ? Yes, drastically.

[Skepdick]

Any percent of a margin of error is a margin of error. Do 99.99999999....% and .000...0001% differ? Yes, drastically.

You are rendering the "drastically difference" as semantically immaterial if you call both things "unpredictability".