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commonsense wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:02 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:01 pm Just saying....
As the United States and most of the world adjust to our “new normal,” there is no doubt that this pandemic will impact the presidential election in a myriad of ways. Will it affect the outcome? Only time will tell. Should it affect the outcome? Absolutely.

As the former Director of Administration and Senior Advisor to both Vice President Al Gore and Vice President Joe Biden in the White House, I had the privilege of representing both of those offices on the White House Emergency Preparedness and Continuity of Government working group. It was in that capacity that I learned the power of what I call the four P’s of emergency preparedness: Plan, Prepare, Prevent, and Perform.

During my tenure in Vice President Gore’s office, we knew that the potential for disaster lay ahead of us as we entered a new century and a new millennium in the year 2000. It was coined Y2K. Our working group worked diligently for over a year to plan our response and prepare for worst-case scenarios to prevent damaging outcomes to our nation. We developed comprehensive plans to be performed and executed to lead us technologically, operationally, safely and efficiently into the new millennium. The result was a seamless experience for our citizens and the White House.

It was and is almost impossible for the Trump administration to plan, prepare, prevent, and perform effectively when the President abolished the White House Pandemic Response Office and cut the CDC budget. Rather than prepare for the worst, as previous administrations have done, this White House chose to create a vulnerability for which we are paying a precious price.

If that wasn’t enough, President Trump is on record as having referred to this pandemic in misleading and minimizing terms time and again while indicating that his administration had the situation under control when in fact it was headed into a preventable death spiral.

From the very onset, it was apparent that rather than planning, preparing, and preventing, President Trump was busy pontificating and prevaricating.

On January 22, he said in a CNBC interview, “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” And on January 30, Trump said in a speech in Michigan, “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us…that I can assure you.”

Then during his trip to India, in what should have frightened every American, the President’s propensity for hyperbole brought yet another round of false hope and moment of deceit when he claimed, while referencing Covid-19, “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… they have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we are very close to a vaccine.”

The President’s antics continued at a press conference in late February when, in another attempt to not spook the markets, he said, “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” Only the next day, he added, “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

At the time of writing, over 80,000 Americans are confirmed infected with the coronavirus, and over 1,000 of my fellow citizens have perished.

Even the most generous interpretation or assessment of President Trump’s words, actions, inactions, and diminishing hyperbole would lead any reasonable-minded human being to conclude that the six to seven weeks that he failed to adequately plan, prepare, prevent, and perform have resulted in the spread of this virus, and contributed to the needless deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans.

Do these actions and words reflect that of a responsible leader? Did President Trump try to hide the gravity of the pandemic for political purposes? Did he put economics above humanity? Does he really believe that sacrificing the lives of innocent Americans is worth a rise in the stock market?

The American electorate will cast their votes in November, and these questions will be on that ballot.

Will this debacle make for the demise of President Trump’s re-election? We shall see. Should his immoral, irresponsible, and indignant handling of this crisis keep him from a second term as President of the United States of America? The answer is a resounding, “Yes.”
Moe Vela
Vela’s commentary may seem lengthy, yet it is a concise account of the presidential response to the Covid 19 outbreak in the US.

Alas, his words fall on deaf ears among Mr. Trump’s political base. They seem to be beyond reason when it comes to so many of their hero’s immoral behaviors. Indeed, he is treated like a cult leader, akin to Jim Jones.

His followers will loyally and faithfully drink the Kool Aid while praising their hero’s response to our viral calamity.
Boris also seems to have the same sort of hardcore moron. He's now in the process of blaming the public for HIS lack of urgency in the crisis.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:04 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:24 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:45 pm

But you can have police without guns.
...and looters without hesitation.
Nope. You just need an educated society with decent welfare provision, rather than a rat race free for all.
That will work just fine, in a utopia.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:29 pm Most countries in the civilized world manage to do that.
So some countries in the civilized world don't?

Why?
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commonsense wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:13 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:04 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:24 pm

...and looters without hesitation.
Nope. You just need an educated society with decent welfare provision, rather than a rat race free for all.
That will work just fine, in a utopia.
That's a pathetic excuse to avoid doing anything to improve the situation in places where it is shit.
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Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:34 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:29 pm Most countries in the civilized world manage to do that.
So some countries in the civilized world don't?

Why?
Case by case?

https://www.thelocal.no/20161128/norweg ... n-14-years
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:38 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:34 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:29 pm Most countries in the civilized world manage to do that.
So some countries in the civilized world don't?

Why?
Case by case?

https://www.thelocal.no/20161128/norweg ... n-14-years
If you are saying that Norway is one of the places that fails to "manage to do that" - you still haven't told us why.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:48 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:57 pm
You naive fool. Name any police state where the police have behaved well and where it hasn't brought out the the latent thug in every police officer. If even ONE child is murdered or suffers as a direct result of this lockdown then it won't have been worth it.
No one is above the law not even the police.

As for this total lockdown scenario.. I'm sorry to inform you fool but there is no other way to beat this virus.

What's the alternative fool?

Listen, if people want to be abusive to their own kind then there is nothing any one can do about that fool. .and is why any thing born of human thought will ultimately be destructive. This is a truth that no one wants to hear, so call me a fool until you are blue in the face, I know the truth and by knowing the truth I have no fear.

Have a nice day, if you even dare.



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PS..Stay home, protect the health service, and save lives You naive fool. Hope your doing your part. Sometimes the shit really does hit the fan and the going gets tough, and when that happens the tough get going.

At least this is not a lockdown of a nuclear radiation nature, so maybe this will wake us up to just how close that could be on the horizon, if we don't all stop abusing each other and wake the fuck up once and for all. Until then, we reap what we sow, and we all go down with the sinking ship together. No one is immune from death.

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You're a lunatic. You were laughing about the virus earlier :lol: Make up your mind. Yes, we are all going down, to protect old people, heavy smokers, and those who are near death anyway as far as I can tell--although that could change. The govt. might be doing the right thing or it could be wildy wrong. No one knows. What I do know is that Asian wet markets are still operating, and until they disappear completely then I won't be taking any of this seriously. 'We' are being forced to do all this, but we aren't allowed to mention where the virus actually originated and who caused it? Heck, I knew PC was destroying everything but I never thought it would be in 'this' way. If Asia isn't made to toe the line on this then it is only going to keep happening.
And I don't need the health system thanks. Not yet anyway. It's THE virus that is 'clogging up the health system'. People do have other ailments you know. Life still has to go on. Children still need to be immunised.

And I don't have to 'stay home', idiot. I'm still 'allowed' to go for a walk, petrol station and supermarket.

This would be an opportune time for the govt. to do the right thing and legalise euthanasia. I understand this virus is a horrible way to die--like slowly drowning over days or even weeks. I wouldn't wish that on anyone--except child murderers.
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Re: Just Sayin ...

February 4,
NY Times
The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opin ... geria.html

Feb. 2
China Joe Accuses President Trump of “Fearmongering” Coronavirus Due to Suspension of Entry…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... -of-entry/

Feb. 2
Top Democrats fume after Trump expands travel ban to six new countries
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... -of-entry/
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:30 pm This would be an opportune time for the govt. to do the right thing and legalise [SIC] euthanasia. I understand this virus is a horrible way to die--like slowly drowning over days or even weeks. I wouldn't wish that on anyone--except child murderers.
A cage rattler shalt hear cage rattles.

What is means …

Idiot.

Haven't you ever heard of DNR?

Haven't you ever heard of the expression, do you want to remove the ventilator?

Don't you realize the implications of these questions?

The world is more subtle than your sledgehammer comprehension.
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Walker wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:30 pm Re: Just Sayin ...

February 4,
NY Times
The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opin ... geria.html

Feb. 2
China Joe Accuses President Trump of “Fearmongering” Coronavirus Due to Suspension of Entry…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... -of-entry/

Feb. 2
Top Democrats fume after Trump expands travel ban to six new countries
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... -of-entry/
This is all fake news. Trump was not restricting entry because of Corona, but due to racism.
In Feb he was accusing Democrats of exaggerating the Corona crisis saying they are "politicising" the virus.
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Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:20 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:38 pm
Skepdick wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:34 pm
So some countries in the civilized world don't?

Why?
Case by case?

https://www.thelocal.no/20161128/norweg ... n-14-years
If you are saying that Norway is one of the places that fails to "manage to do that" - you still haven't told us why.
Figure it out for yourself.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm
Walker wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:30 pm Re: Just Sayin ...

February 4,
NY Times
The Racism at the Heart of Trump’s ‘Travel Ban’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/opin ... geria.html

Feb. 2
China Joe Accuses President Trump of “Fearmongering” Coronavirus Due to Suspension of Entry…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... -of-entry/

Feb. 2
Top Democrats fume after Trump expands travel ban to six new countries
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... -of-entry/
This is all fake news. Trump was not restricting entry because of Corona, but due to racism.
In Feb he was accusing Democrats of exaggerating the Corona crisis saying they are "politicising" the virus.
So it's only 'racism' when Trump does it, but not other countries? Fuck the PC. They demand action over the virus, then whine about 'racism' when countries do something about it? At least after all this then we might be rid of those turds once and for all.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm This is all fake news. Trump was not restricting entry because of Corona, but due to racism.
Absurd.
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm In Feb he was accusing Democrats of exaggerating the Corona crisis saying they are "politicising" the virus.
They were, are, and will.
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Walker wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:09 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm This is all fake news. Trump was not restricting entry because of Corona, but due to racism.
Absurd.
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm In Feb he was accusing Democrats of exaggerating the Corona crisis saying they are "politicising" the virus.
They were, are, and will.
YOU are politicising it. Yanks 'politicise' EG!VERYTHIN
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Walker wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:09 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm This is all fake news. Trump was not restricting entry because of Corona, but due to racism.
Absurd.
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 pm In Feb he was accusing Democrats of exaggerating the Corona crisis saying they are "politicising" the virus.
They were, are, and will.
YOU are politicising it. Yanks 'politicise' EVERYTHING!
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