Coronavirus Craziness

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It is becoming increasingly obvious that young people are at risk.
However - until more testing is done - especially on the dead, we won't know as it is likely the deaths of young people with chest infections might be discounted like this example from California.

A 17-year-old whose death was linked to the novel coronavirus despite not having any previously reported health conditions was denied treatment at a California medical facility over his lack of insurance, according to the mayor.

R Rex Parris, the mayor of Lancaster, California, confirmed the teen’s death in a video posted to YouTube on Wednesday, in which he warned residents to take the global pandemic seriously and practice self-isolation and social distancing measures.

“The Friday before he died, he was healthy,” the mayor said about the teenager. “By Wednesday, he was dead.”

The mayor said the teen “didn’t have insurance, so they did not treat him” when he arrived at an urgent care facility in the area. The medical staff then told the child to go to a local public hospital.

“En route to AV Hospital, he went into cardiac arrest,” the mayor said. “They were able to revive him and keep him alive for about six hours. But by the time he got there, it was too late.”

The teen’s death comes amid a wave of reports about young victims suffering deadly symptoms from Covid-19, defying previous assumptions that the novel virus was only fatal for some older patients and people with severe underlying conditions.

Another teen in Louisiana was reported to have passed away this after contracting the coronavirus, as well as a 21-year-old woman in the UK who also had no underlying health issues.

However, Los Angeles’ County Department of Public Health later said the teen’s death was taken off a list of deaths associated with Covid-19 in the area. The department said the CDC would complete an investigation into the teen’s death.

[commonsense]

I don't know how it is for you guys in other countries, but in mine I can't even go for a jog without being afraid of getting a big fine.

Why be afraid?...when all you have to do is stick to the rules imposed by your government, who incidentally, are elected by you, and are formed to protect you in troubled times. Just as your parents protected you as a child, the government is the continuation of this parenting protection. We are all a part and 100% reliant on the same one human system that is absolutely necessary in order that we survive as a human speices, and that system must be protected. And no single one of us rich or poor is immune from it while they are reliant on it. If one flouts the law imposed, that is seen as like a weak link in the chain. It does not make for a proper functioning system.

Think of it this way.. when someone is stopped from being able to perform their usual daily lifestyle activities, brought down by some awful flu virus so bad that you are too weak and poorly to even get out of your bed. What would be the first and proper thing to do would be to isolate yourself off completely until you are better. Well that action is what needs to happen when entire countries get sick, they too have to isolate until they are better.

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Ask yourself, was Spyrith expressing fear of contracting the virus or fear of being fined for breaking the law?

[Dontaskme]

You naive fool. Name any police state where the police have behaved well and where it hasn't brought out the the latent thug in every police officer. If even ONE child is murdered or suffers as a direct result of this lockdown then it won't have been worth it.

No one is above the law not even the police.

As for this total lockdown scenario.. I'm sorry to inform you fool but there is no other way to beat this virus.

What's the alternative fool?

Listen, if people want to be abusive to their own kind then there is nothing any one can do about that fool. .and is why any thing born of human thought will ultimately be destructive. This is a truth that no one wants to hear, so call me a fool until you are blue in the face, I know the truth and by knowing the truth I have no fear.

Have a nice day, if you even dare.



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PS..Stay home, protect the health service, and save lives You naive fool. Hope your doing your part. Sometimes the shit really does hit the fan and the going gets tough, and when that happens the tough get going.

At least this is not a lockdown of a nuclear radiation nature, so maybe this will wake us up to just how close that could be on the horizon, if we don't all stop abusing each other and wake the fuck up once and for all. Until then, we reap what we sow, and we all go down with the sinking ship together. No one is immune from death.

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[Skepdick]

The craziest thing in this entire COVID exercise is observing how people are trying to "logic", "evidence" and "reason" their way to a conclusion.

If there is a moral lesson there, it's: morality is what you do until you collect facts/data/evidence to know for sure. Morality is what you do in the absence of objective knowledge.

The moment it went exponential in Wuhan (back in January) people who understood risk called for global isolation. Took 2 months for the world to listen.

It's why it's called the PREcautionary principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle

[Dontaskme]

No. They are not "normal". Normal people do not want to strap on a gun

So all those people living in America that own their own gun are not normal people?

and wear a uniform having signed a document that means they have to place their loyalties above their own family and friends and do the work of the state.

So what is the alternative to having a police run state?

Draconian laws means draconian police activity.

Applying laws for the health and safety of the human herd is not a draconian activity. Draconian activity is when simple health and safety laws are breached calling for draconian measures to be implemented to repair the breach.

TRUE REALITY CHECK...No one who believes they are free are ever as free as they think they are, that is the greatest sickness of the human mind, because to think you are free is to believe you are enslaved.

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[Dontaskme]

Just count yourself lucky you ain't black or from other ethnic minority.

''It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.''

If another human being wanted to shoot me dead because they did not like the look of me, I'd say to them go ahead. To be honest, they would have done me a favour. In my opinion the dead ones are the lucky ones. Who the heck wants to live in a dead mad max type of society except an absolute fool?

Wake up! it really doesn't have to be like this, and yet there seems to be nothing we can do about the idiots that are already here, but then one thing we can do is to stop breeding more idiots. But, are we intelligent enough to want to stop it, or do we like it too much to ever contemplate stopping it? The call is always a free call.

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[Sculptor]

No. They are not "normal". Normal people do not want to strap on a gun

So all those people living in America that own their own gun are not normal people?

Straw man.
Possibly. But there is a difference between owing a gun because other morons have one, and strapping the thing to your hips and pointing it at people for a living.

and wear a uniform having signed a document that means they have to place their loyalties above their own family and friends and do the work of the state.

So what is the alternative to having a police run state?

Strawman II
Having a police run state where police do not have guns

Draconian laws means draconian police activity.

[Sculptor]

Just count yourself lucky you ain't black or from other ethnic minority.

''It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.''

If another human being wanted to shoot me dead because they did not like the look of me, I'd say to them go ahead. To be honest, they would have done me a favour. In my opinion the dead ones are the lucky ones. Who the heck wants to live in a dead mad max type of society except an absolute fool?

Wake up! it really doesn't have to be like this, and yet there seems to be nothing we can do about the idiots that are already here, but then one thing we can do is to stop breeding more idiots.

So you are saying blacks and other ethnic minorities are just idiots?

But, are we intelligent enough to want to stop it, or do we like it too much to ever contemplate stopping it? The call is always a free call.

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[Walker]

''It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.''

“… an individual who has awareness and keeps it stably present is also capable of living in peace under all the rules and laws there are in the world, without being in any way conditioned by them.”

[Sculptor]

So what is the alternative to having a police run state?

Straw man III
I did not suggest that.
But you can have police without guns.
You can have police trained to recognise their own prejudices.
You can have a have a policy of punishing police for their wrongdoings, rather than letting them off for killing black people.

[Skepdick]

You can have a have a policy of punishing police for their wrongdoings, rather than letting them off for killing black people.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[Sculptor]

You can have a have a policy of punishing police for their wrongdoings, rather than letting them off for killing black people.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Most countries in the civilized world manage to do that.

[commonsense]

So what is the alternative to having a police run state?

But you can have police without guns.

...and looters without hesitation.

[commonsense]

Just saying....

As the United States and most of the world adjust to our “new normal,” there is no doubt that this pandemic will impact the presidential election in a myriad of ways. Will it affect the outcome? Only time will tell. Should it affect the outcome? Absolutely.

As the former Director of Administration and Senior Advisor to both Vice President Al Gore and Vice President Joe Biden in the White House, I had the privilege of representing both of those offices on the White House Emergency Preparedness and Continuity of Government working group. It was in that capacity that I learned the power of what I call the four P’s of emergency preparedness: Plan, Prepare, Prevent, and Perform.

During my tenure in Vice President Gore’s office, we knew that the potential for disaster lay ahead of us as we entered a new century and a new millennium in the year 2000. It was coined Y2K. Our working group worked diligently for over a year to plan our response and prepare for worst-case scenarios to prevent damaging outcomes to our nation. We developed comprehensive plans to be performed and executed to lead us technologically, operationally, safely and efficiently into the new millennium. The result was a seamless experience for our citizens and the White House.

It was and is almost impossible for the Trump administration to plan, prepare, prevent, and perform effectively when the President abolished the White House Pandemic Response Office and cut the CDC budget. Rather than prepare for the worst, as previous administrations have done, this White House chose to create a vulnerability for which we are paying a precious price.

If that wasn’t enough, President Trump is on record as having referred to this pandemic in misleading and minimizing terms time and again while indicating that his administration had the situation under control when in fact it was headed into a preventable death spiral.

From the very onset, it was apparent that rather than planning, preparing, and preventing, President Trump was busy pontificating and prevaricating.

On January 22, he said in a CNBC interview, “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” And on January 30, Trump said in a speech in Michigan, “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us…that I can assure you.”

Then during his trip to India, in what should have frightened every American, the President’s propensity for hyperbole brought yet another round of false hope and moment of deceit when he claimed, while referencing Covid-19, “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… they have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we are very close to a vaccine.”

The President’s antics continued at a press conference in late February when, in another attempt to not spook the markets, he said, “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” Only the next day, he added, “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

At the time of writing, over 80,000 Americans are confirmed infected with the coronavirus, and over 1,000 of my fellow citizens have perished.

Even the most generous interpretation or assessment of President Trump’s words, actions, inactions, and diminishing hyperbole would lead any reasonable-minded human being to conclude that the six to seven weeks that he failed to adequately plan, prepare, prevent, and perform have resulted in the spread of this virus, and contributed to the needless deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans.

Do these actions and words reflect that of a responsible leader? Did President Trump try to hide the gravity of the pandemic for political purposes? Did he put economics above humanity? Does he really believe that sacrificing the lives of innocent Americans is worth a rise in the stock market?

The American electorate will cast their votes in November, and these questions will be on that ballot.

Will this debacle make for the demise of President Trump’s re-election? We shall see. Should his immoral, irresponsible, and indignant handling of this crisis keep him from a second term as President of the United States of America? The answer is a resounding, “Yes.”

Moe Vela

Vela’s commentary may seem lengthy, yet it is a concise account of the presidential response to the Covid 19 outbreak in the US.

Alas, his words fall on deaf ears among Mr. Trump’s political base. They seem to be beyond reason when it comes to so many of their hero’s immoral behaviors. Indeed, he is treated like a cult leader, akin to Jim Jones.

His followers will loyally and faithfully drink the Kool Aid while praising their hero’s response to our viral calamity.

[Sculptor]

So what is the alternative to having a police run state?

But you can have police without guns.

...and looters without hesitation.

Nope. You just need an educated society with decent welfare provision, rather than a rat race free for all.