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Re: Thoughts akin, let me tell u another story *: )

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Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:56 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am A nurse friend of mine is taking calls from home for people asking about symptoms - I said to him, what are the odds that in my entire existence on this planet I have never had a lung infection (as least that i can remember) - and now that there is a bloody pandemic where the main symptom is pneaeuaumonia I have a terrible lung infection, short of breath in just walking the dog - at one point thinking I might end up on a ventilator! ODDS are I had the virus! - no temperature issue tho. On the flip side - I choked on a fly! - maybe that went into my lungs and caused an infection. My friend said probably the latter (even tho he doubts it went into my lungs)
The odds are that you have had A virus or a bacterial infection due to a weakness caused by Vaping. Without a temperature you've probably not had Covid 19.

There is less known about the negative effects of vaping than about the corona virus, but there is an increasingly worrying number of deaths directly due to vaping and the longer term risks are unknown.
Even if you are going nicotine free, there is a long list of chemicals (effects unknown) that are added to the vape liquid in an largely unregulated industry.
Do you really think I would vape if I didn't need a nicotine fix?

I have vaped for at least 5 years - odds R ...either I have had the virus or a reaction to a fly. (in consideration that I have NEVER had a lung issue - and NOW there is a virus that attacks the lungs.)
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Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:49 am It's only when you have to confront the usual run of the mill fascist in a police uniform that thinks get bad.
The police are not fascists, they are just normal people doing a job that they themself signed up for, without them there would be total anarchy within human societies. Give baby an inch and it will take a mile. Thankfully, no mile is ever allowed to be taken, simply because LAW AND ORDER is what separates the human monkey from the real monkey.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:12 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:56 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am A nurse friend of mine is taking calls from home for people asking about symptoms - I said to him, what are the odds that in my entire existence on this planet I have never had a lung infection (as least that i can remember) - and now that there is a bloody pandemic where the main symptom is pneaeuaumonia I have a terrible lung infection, short of breath in just walking the dog - at one point thinking I might end up on a ventilator! ODDS are I had the virus! - no temperature issue tho. On the flip side - I choked on a fly! - maybe that went into my lungs and caused an infection. My friend said probably the latter (even tho he doubts it went into my lungs)
The odds are that you have had A virus or a bacterial infection due to a weakness caused by Vaping. Without a temperature you've probably not had Covid 19.

There is less known about the negative effects of vaping than about the corona virus, but there is an increasingly worrying number of deaths directly due to vaping and the longer term risks are unknown.
Even if you are going nicotine free, there is a long list of chemicals (effects unknown) that are added to the vape liquid in an largely unregulated industry.
Do you really think I would vape if I didn't need a nicotine fix?

I have vaped for at least 5 years - odds R ...either I have had the virus or a reaction to a fly. (in consideration that I have NEVER had a lung issue - and NOW there is a virus that attacks the lungs.)
You reap what you sow. Millions of people are dying everyday because of how they have treated their bodies. Disease is the effect of every cause. Viruses are opportunists and take advantage of the weak link in the chain of life, which is probably human in origin.
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Re: Thoughts akin, let me tell u another story *: )

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:21 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:12 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:56 am

The odds are that you have had A virus or a bacterial infection due to a weakness caused by Vaping. Without a temperature you've probably not had Covid 19.

There is less known about the negative effects of vaping than about the corona virus, but there is an increasingly worrying number of deaths directly due to vaping and the longer term risks are unknown.
Even if you are going nicotine free, there is a long list of chemicals (effects unknown) that are added to the vape liquid in an largely unregulated industry.
Do you really think I would vape if I didn't need a nicotine fix?

I have vaped for at least 5 years - odds R ...either I have had the virus or a reaction to a fly. (in consideration that I have NEVER had a lung issue - and NOW there is a virus that attacks the lungs.)
You reap what you sow. Millions of people are dying everyday because of how they have treated their bodies. Disease is the effect of every cause. Viruses are opportunists and take advantage of the weak link in the chain of life, which is probably human in origin.
What R U talking about - I reap wot I sow?............ - because U just listened to my SAGE music?

I never smoked a cigarette until I was about 32 when the GOD **** woz fucking wiv me and I real eyes that I needed to smoke something uva than mary J.

DONT TALK TO ME U TOTAL IMBECILE.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 am
DONT TALK TO ME U TOTAL IMBECILE.

No one is talking to you except your own echo which is nothing more than that imaginary friend you call I

Idiot.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 am
What R U talking about - I reap wot I sow?............ - because U just listened to my SAGE music?

Oh you'd love that attention wouldn't you?

I have never listened to your sage music. Nor would I ever want to.

I can make up my own mind thank you very much.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:49 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 am
DONT TALK TO ME U TOTAL IMBECILE.

No one is talking to you except your own echo which is nothing more than that imaginary friend you call I

Idiot.
Hell Owe

I stand corrected...or do I?

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attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:51 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:49 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 am
DONT TALK TO ME U TOTAL IMBECILE.

No one is talking to you except your own echo which is nothing more than that imaginary friend you call I

Idiot.
Hell Owe

I stand corrected...or do I?

:twisted:
You stand corrected. I is your creation.

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:52 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:51 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:49 am


No one is talking to you except your own echo which is nothing more than that imaginary friend you call I

Idiot.
Hell Owe

I stand corrected...or do I?

:twisted:
You stand corrected. I is your creation.

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attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:59 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:52 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:51 am

Hell Owe

I stand corrected...or do I?

:twisted:
You stand corrected. I is your creation.

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:02 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:49 am
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QED; "dontaskme's" comment above. A lack of imagination and a false impression of the police.
I do not have an impression of the police. All I know is that they have a job to do, and if that means using force to protect the greater good, then force is inevitable. Any one who resists that force by thinking the police are just being assholes, are in fact just being an asshole themself. The police are just doing their job that they have been trained to do.

So stop projecting your utter bullshite onto me.
You naive fool. Name any police state where the police have behaved well and where it hasn't brought out the the latent thug in every police officer. If even ONE child is murdered or suffers as a direct result of this lockdown then it won't have been worth it.
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Re: Coronavirus Craziness

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Just saying....
As the United States and most of the world adjust to our “new normal,” there is no doubt that this pandemic will impact the presidential election in a myriad of ways. Will it affect the outcome? Only time will tell. Should it affect the outcome? Absolutely.

As the former Director of Administration and Senior Advisor to both Vice President Al Gore and Vice President Joe Biden in the White House, I had the privilege of representing both of those offices on the White House Emergency Preparedness and Continuity of Government working group. It was in that capacity that I learned the power of what I call the four P’s of emergency preparedness: Plan, Prepare, Prevent, and Perform.

During my tenure in Vice President Gore’s office, we knew that the potential for disaster lay ahead of us as we entered a new century and a new millennium in the year 2000. It was coined Y2K. Our working group worked diligently for over a year to plan our response and prepare for worst-case scenarios to prevent damaging outcomes to our nation. We developed comprehensive plans to be performed and executed to lead us technologically, operationally, safely and efficiently into the new millennium. The result was a seamless experience for our citizens and the White House.

It was and is almost impossible for the Trump administration to plan, prepare, prevent, and perform effectively when the President abolished the White House Pandemic Response Office and cut the CDC budget. Rather than prepare for the worst, as previous administrations have done, this White House chose to create a vulnerability for which we are paying a precious price.

If that wasn’t enough, President Trump is on record as having referred to this pandemic in misleading and minimizing terms time and again while indicating that his administration had the situation under control when in fact it was headed into a preventable death spiral.

From the very onset, it was apparent that rather than planning, preparing, and preventing, President Trump was busy pontificating and prevaricating.

On January 22, he said in a CNBC interview, “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” And on January 30, Trump said in a speech in Michigan, “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us…that I can assure you.”

Then during his trip to India, in what should have frightened every American, the President’s propensity for hyperbole brought yet another round of false hope and moment of deceit when he claimed, while referencing Covid-19, “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… they have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we are very close to a vaccine.”

The President’s antics continued at a press conference in late February when, in another attempt to not spook the markets, he said, “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” Only the next day, he added, “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

At the time of writing, over 80,000 Americans are confirmed infected with the coronavirus, and over 1,000 of my fellow citizens have perished.

Even the most generous interpretation or assessment of President Trump’s words, actions, inactions, and diminishing hyperbole would lead any reasonable-minded human being to conclude that the six to seven weeks that he failed to adequately plan, prepare, prevent, and perform have resulted in the spread of this virus, and contributed to the needless deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans.

Do these actions and words reflect that of a responsible leader? Did President Trump try to hide the gravity of the pandemic for political purposes? Did he put economics above humanity? Does he really believe that sacrificing the lives of innocent Americans is worth a rise in the stock market?

The American electorate will cast their votes in November, and these questions will be on that ballot.

Will this debacle make for the demise of President Trump’s re-election? We shall see. Should his immoral, irresponsible, and indignant handling of this crisis keep him from a second term as President of the United States of America? The answer is a resounding, “Yes.”
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:12 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:56 am
attofishpi wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am A nurse friend of mine is taking calls from home for people asking about symptoms - I said to him, what are the odds that in my entire existence on this planet I have never had a lung infection (as least that i can remember) - and now that there is a bloody pandemic where the main symptom is pneaeuaumonia I have a terrible lung infection, short of breath in just walking the dog - at one point thinking I might end up on a ventilator! ODDS are I had the virus! - no temperature issue tho. On the flip side - I choked on a fly! - maybe that went into my lungs and caused an infection. My friend said probably the latter (even tho he doubts it went into my lungs)
The odds are that you have had A virus or a bacterial infection due to a weakness caused by Vaping. Without a temperature you've probably not had Covid 19.

There is less known about the negative effects of vaping than about the corona virus, but there is an increasingly worrying number of deaths directly due to vaping and the longer term risks are unknown.
Even if you are going nicotine free, there is a long list of chemicals (effects unknown) that are added to the vape liquid in an largely unregulated industry.
Do you really think I would vape if I didn't need a nicotine fix?

I have vaped for at least 5 years - odds R ...either I have had the virus or a reaction to a fly. (in consideration that I have NEVER had a lung issue - and NOW there is a virus that attacks the lungs.)
You have a nicotine addiction. Chances are you are going to die of lung problems.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:02 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:49 am
Addendum
QED; "dontaskme's" comment above. A lack of imagination and a false impression of the police.
I do not have an impression of the police. All I know is that they have a job to do, and if that means using force to protect the greater good, then force is inevitable. Any one who resists that force by thinking the police are just being assholes, are in fact just being an asshole themself. The police are just doing their job that they have been trained to do.

So stop projecting your utter bullshite onto me.
You have all the bull shit you need mately.
Just count yourself lucky you ain't black or from other ethnic minority.
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Re: Coronavirus Craziness

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:14 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:49 am It's only when you have to confront the usual run of the mill fascist in a police uniform that thinks get bad.
The police are not fascists, they are just normal people
No. They are not "normal". Normal people do not want to strap on a gun and wear a uniform having signed a document that means they have to place their loyalties above their own family and friends and do the work of the state. Normal people do not join a paramilitary organisation which seems, in the USA, to have carte blanche to kill any black person they don't like the look of
... doing a job that they themself signed up for, without them there would be total anarchy within human societies. Give baby an inch and it will take a mile. Thankfully, no mile is ever allowed to be taken, simply because LAW AND ORDER is what separates the human monkey from the real monkey.
Draconian laws means draconian police activity.
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