Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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Veritas Aequitas
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Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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Dr. Karlyn Borysenko - "I admit I have Trump Derangement Syndrome"
https://youtu.be/Z_WUsQTkDjI?t=354
@ 5:54
  • Dr. Karlyn Borysenko: "I absolutely 100% believe Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing; I had it! I had it for at least a good 3 if not at least 2 and a half years.
    When you have Trump Derangement Syndrome [TDS], it fundamentally skewed the way you see the world"
  • Dr. Karlyn Borysenko left the Democrats Party and became an independent.
TDS is why the majority of Democrats do not respect arguments and rational thoughts but rather merely blurt out whatever their Trump Derangement Syndrome drove them to let go to get consonance.

Since this is such a real thing, I hope this thread will not be deleted especially when Philosophy respected the real as supported by empirical evidences and justifications.

Your views on this?
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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There are two kinds of people in the world. Doers and Talkers.

Trump is a doer, not a talker. He has never had a boss to report to; or justify himself to in his entire life - he has never had an ass to kiss, and people to entice into cooperation. He has never needed the skills of oratorship/argumentation/persuasion - so he has not mastered them.

Trump Derangement Syndrome has been pretty much about over-reacting to Trump's inability to speak eloquently.

“Clearly, it is unrigorous to equate skills at doing with skills at talking..” — Nassim Taleb

The Green Lumber Fallacy: The Difference between Talking and Doing

It's the exact same pattern/tension as philosophy of science vs practice of science.
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:40 am ..
Trump Derangement Syndrome has been pretty much about judging Trump on his inability to speak eloquently.
...
What kind of stupid sh:t is that?

A Derangement Syndrome is due to strong cognitive dissonance that drive one to seek consonance to ease terrible unconscious mental sufferings.

The Trump Derangement Syndrome arise from the following;
  • 1. Politics tend to demand VERY heavy emotional investments for their supporters [many not all]. This natural instinct happens in sports and other 'tribalistic' activities.

    2. In the 2016 election Hillary Clinton was projected to win against a no-hopper Trump with near certainty or 100% certainty as far as the Democrats supporters [a large majority, not all] are concern.

    3. Such an expectation of "100% certainty" thus catalyzed the already very much hyped emotion to swell to greater heights within the Democrats supporters.

    4. Then reality strike and Trump won the election which created a terrible shock for the Democrats supporters .. :shock: and anger :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

    5. This generated a variance - i.e. the dissonance between their emotional expectations of 100% certainty to Hillary losing the election.
    This dissonance triggered a tsunami of cognitive dissonance that wreck the emotions of the supporters.

    6. To ease their cognitive dissonance, the Democrats [not all] seek consonance by directing their anger, hate, irrational acts, etc. [to reinstate control] at Trump and the Conservatives.

    7. The Media exploited the outbursts and compounded the withdrawals symptoms of the Democrats supporters to the present state of anarchy and irrationality.
This Trump Derangement Syndrome is very serious case of a psychological problem for most the Democrats supporters.

Note in the video, Dr. Karlyn Borysenko stated she had to seek counselling help to get over the TDS she was suffering.
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:00 am What kind of stupid sh:t is that?

A Derangement Syndrome is due to strong cognitive dissonance that drive one to seek consonance to ease terrible unconscious mental sufferings.

The Trump Derangement Syndrome arise from the following;
*yawn* you are projecting your mis-understanding on the phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_der ... t_syndrome
Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a term for criticism or negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are alleged to be irrational and have little regard towards Trump's actual positions or actions taken. The term has been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.
Fareed Zakaria defined the syndrome as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people's judgment"
The above is confirmed in the very video you shared @ 6:35 https://youtu.be/Z_WUsQTkDjI?t=395
The term has been widely applied by pro-Trump writers to critics of Trump, accusing them of responding negatively to a wide range of Trump's statements and actions
Which is pretty much in-line with what I said.

Trump Derangement Syndrome has been pretty much about over-reacting to Trump's inability to speak eloquently.

“Clearly, it is unrigorous to equate skills at doing with skills at talking..” — Nassim Taleb
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:19 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:00 am What kind of stupid sh:t is that?

A Derangement Syndrome is due to strong cognitive dissonance that drive one to seek consonance to ease terrible unconscious mental sufferings.

The Trump Derangement Syndrome arise from the following;
*yawn* you are projecting your mis-understanding on the phrase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_der ... t_syndrome
Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is a term for criticism or negative reactions to United States President Donald Trump that are alleged to be irrational and have little regard towards Trump's actual positions or actions taken. The term has been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.
Fareed Zakaria defined the syndrome as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people's judgment"
The term has been widely applied by pro-Trump writers to critics of Trump, accusing them of responding negatively to a wide range of Trump's statements and actions
Which is pretty much in-line with what I said.

Trump Derangement Syndrome has been pretty much about over-reacting to Trump's inability to speak eloquently.

“Clearly, it is unrigorous to equate skills at doing with skills at talking..” — Nassim Taleb
That is 'pop' culture by the common people.

Wiki is always a good first draft guide but need further justifications where more and a deeper look into the issues are required.
The Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome is too superficial based on personal views of various people.

Thus a deeper look and investigation is necessary and these are the serious psychological stuffs - these should be included in the Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome;

By Jennifer Contarino Panning with empirical evidences:
My chapter
“Trump Anxiety Disorder: The Trump Effect on the Mental Health of Half the Nation and Special Populations”
discusses my clinical experiences working with clients post-election and inauguration, the anxiety symptoms I saw many clients experiencing which were related specifically to Trump, and certain clients who were more vulnerable to developing anxiety symptoms. I felt compelled to write this chapter after noticing the strong impact on many of my clients (all progressive in their political orientations).
https://www.evanstonpsychologists.com/t ... k-chapter/
From Psychology Today;
Many have argued that some people have been seriously disturbed and distressed by the policies, speech, behavior, and tweets of President Trump, so much so that it has affected their cognitive, affective, and behavioral functioning. Such people may need mental health support. As such, further research is necessary to investigate the extreme reactions toward President Trump, in the same way that researchers investigate other extreme social phenomena, such as Beatlemania or the like. This will shed light on the reality of this emerging folk category that has been labelled by many as "Trump Derangement Syndrome."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -condition
The mentioned of Cognitive Dissonance;
Psychotherapists have adopted a diagnostic name for what we in the real world refer to as “Trump Derangement Syndrome” (TDR).
They have rebranded TDR version 2.0 as “Trump Anxiety Disorder” (TAD). While that may be a nicer diagnostic tag for a new counseling revenue stream, the word “derangement” is a much more accurate description of the extreme cognitive dissonance TAD references.

Recognition of the newly redefined TAD pathology was first described in a report last year from psychiatrists at Harvard Medical School and Yale School of Medicine, in which Jennifer Panning distinguished between general anxiety disorders and TAD because “symptoms were specific to the election of Trump and the resultant unpredictable sociopolitical climate.”

https://patriotpost.us/alexander/57485- ... 2018-08-01
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Re: Trump Derangement Syndrome is Real - A Confession

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:59 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:19 am Wiki is always a good first draft guide but need further justifications where more and a deeper look into the issues are required.
The Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome is too superficial based on personal views of various people.

Thus a deeper look and investigation is necessary and these are the serious psychological stuffs - these should be included in the Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome;
That is 'pop' culture by the common people.

Wiki is always a good first draft guide but need further justifications where more and a deeper look into the issues are required.
The Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome is too superficial based on personal views of various people.

Thus a deeper look and investigation is necessary and these are the serious psychological stuffs - these should be included in the Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome;
Dumb Philosopher. The only source of data psychology has is precisely the "personal views of various people". Psychology relies extensively on self-reporting, not on any standardised measurement/instruments. There is no "deeper" anything when it comes to psychology - it's all superficial narrative.

That's why psychology is not a science.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... al/576223/

The "common people" writing/editing the Wikipedia article are doing precisely the same thing a psychologist would: collate all the individual reports into a coherent narrative. The very video you posted agrees with the narrative in the wikipedia article. Starting @ 6:35 https://youtu.be/Z_WUsQTkDjI?t=395
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:07 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:59 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:19 am Wiki is always a good first draft guide but need further justifications where more and a deeper look into the issues are required.
The Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome is too superficial based on personal views of various people.

Thus a deeper look and investigation is necessary and these are the serious psychological stuffs - these should be included in the Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome;
That is 'pop' culture by the common people.

Wiki is always a good first draft guide but need further justifications where more and a deeper look into the issues are required.
The Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome is too superficial based on personal views of various people.

Thus a deeper look and investigation is necessary and these are the serious psychological stuffs - these should be included in the Wiki article on Trump Derangement Syndrome;
Dumb Philosopher. The only source of data psychology has is precisely the "personal views of various people". Psychology relies extensively on self-reporting, not on any standardised measurement/instruments. There is no "deeper" anything when it comes to psychology - it's all superficial narrative.

That's why psychology is not a science.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... al/576223/

The "common people" writing/editing the Wikipedia article are doing precisely the same thing a psychologist would: collate all the individual reports into a coherent narrative. The very video you posted agrees with the narrative in the wikipedia article. Starting @ 6:35 https://youtu.be/Z_WUsQTkDjI?t=395
As usual, you are simply countering for countering sake but shooting with empty bullets.

Regardless of what you said of pychology,

Dr. Jennifer Contarino Panning is a
Illinois Licensed Clinical Psychologist
https://www.evanstonpsychologists.com/o ... r-panning/

and her point are evidence-based and she had helped her clients to be cured of TAD or TDS [Trump Derangement Syndrome].

Note the OP and how Dr. Karlyn Borysenko admitted to having suffered from Trump Derangement Syndrome and got cured from the related terrible mental sufferings she had to endure with the continual anti-Trump hatred and cursing.

I suggest you recognize Psychology and Psychiatry and get the proper treatment before you kill some innocent person with your Grok and itchy erratic state due to your psychopathy.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:06 am I suggest you recognize Psychology and Psychiatry and get the proper treatment before you kill some innocent person with your Grok and itchy erratic state due to your psychopathy.
But I don't recognise neither psychology nor psychiatry, and so the word "psychopathy" has no practical utility except as a pejorative. It was commonly used to legitimise incarceration of individuals just a few decades ago.

You are projecting onto me traits I do not possess. Such as the urge to kill other humans - there is nothing to treat. You are projecting an "itchy erratic state" simply based on my words, not on my behaviour. That's as unrigorous as it gets!

Perhaps you need treatment? General Anxiety Disorder? Misanthropy? Dumbus Philosophus ? What's your psychological/psychiatrical dysfunction?
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The root of it is deep.

We are in a war between 'believer' and 'unbeliever'. The hatred for Donald Trump is solely the employment of political Islamic jihad.
The House of Islam infiltrates/infects non-Muslim nations from within by weaponizing them against the citizens of the same:
utilizing the resources of that nation to target and undermine any/all opposition to the 'cause of Allah'. This is what Obama did
when he was POTUS for 8 years (for the 'cause of Allah'). The House of Islam can't afford to allow that one to pop, or else
their entire jihad either fails or they have to go all-out and start military. Islam and Nazism are one-and-the-same.

The entire geopolitical war is being driven by the Muhammadan 'cause of Allah' to kill all 'unbelievers'.
The reality is: the House of Islam religiously scapegoats their own crimes against humanity onto "Jews"
and/or whoever their present target/enemy is, and have done the same
for 1400 years. The "it's the Jews" narrative is the real conspiracy theory, the truth is: the Muslims are the actual "Jews"
but their religion is constructed to create a false enemy (ie. the "Jew") and they thus project their own crimes onto the Jews
despite it being themselves. This relates to Muhammad's own pathology of religiously blaming/scapegoating onto Jews,
thus adopted by Muslims as they revere Muhammad (ie. worship, but they don't call it that, but effectively is).

This is the same infection of much/some of the Left, because they are (knowing and/or unknowing) goyim/puppets that ultimately serve the 'cause of Allah' in some capacitybecause they took the shahada at some point. In order to join for "access" to the underground services and human trafficking networks (wherein all the pedophilia is happening) one must only take the shahada. From there, the House of Islam 'owns' the being but gives them whatever they want: access to anything. These are like the trips to Epstein island (House of Islam had him killed because he knows it all) and many prominent politicians (incl. the Clintons) are all members. The shahada is the 'Mark of the Beast' of Revelation, and Islam is Satanism.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/03/form ... audi-money

is an example of a corrupt politician who takes money bribes for allowing the exploitation of women: the main 'war booty' in/of Islam.

The House of Islam is the "swamp" and the "believers" in/of it are the real "Jews" who have managed to fool the world for 1400 years that all of the problems of the world are because of "Jews" when, in reality, it is the House of Islam.

They will accuse, harass, slander and make all attempt to silence and suppress
because the House of Islam (and their goyim) are the real Nazis on this planet
who pathologically scapegoat their own nature onto others:
-supremacism (Muslims, like Jews, believe they are in possession of the most supreme document on the face of the planet)
-bigotry (it is bigoted to believe the Qur'an came from a god and/or a dead pedophile warlord is the greatest model for living)
-Islamophobe (those who fear the truth (ie. falsity) of Islam project their own pathology onto the truth-speaking)
-racist (Islam hates 'white people' and/or others due to having only one superficial eye: surface-only)
etc.

Humanity is presently the scapegoat for the House of Islam:
Trump 'ousted' their planned Clinton and the entire jihad
was brought to a halt, thus they polarized directly onto Trump
to remove him and continue, but failed over and over.

Now they have dug themselves a grave that they can not escape:
we have everything (and then some) and the House of Islam
will not be getting away with their crimes against humanity any longer.
Their fear has made their actions absolutely irrational such to expose
precisely how insane the House of Islam is, given their recent COVID-19
admission that it is a "soldier of Allah". They have the evidence
and the House of Islam is in a loooooooot of trouble, especially considering
they are still relentlessly attacking everyone and everything un-Islamic
and a loooooooot of people can see absolutely everything they are doing.

Soon humanity learns who the real "pigs" are - the House of Islam
and their House of Nazi fascist scapegoating of their own pig-nature onto others
as that is the same infection sweeping the Left Democrats/Liberals: hate, hate and hate
and it all points back to: the House of Islam and their intense hatred for 'unbelievers' and those
who are not so stupid as to bear a witness (falsely) of a dead pedophile warlord being a prophet of a god,
something that is contrary to even the ten commandments.

The irony is: the shahada is a false witness contrary to the ten commandments, thus
if Moses was a "Muslim" and received directly from the "Abrahamic"/"Allah" monotheistic god,
all Muslims are in violation of at least 3 of 10: false witness (shahada), graven images (Muhammad)
and bowing to idols (early mosques point to Petra, not Mecca, thus also in the wrong direction anyways).

Not a good situation for the House of Islam, so expect a tremendous amount of whining and squealing,
even people here who absolutely can not stand the truth, thus default to slander/accusation/silencing/suppressing.
The only "play" the House of Islam is to attempt to point their finger at others: their greatest fear is thus
"there is nobody left to blame" and this is precisely where the House of Islam will find itself soon.
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