Coronavirus Craziness

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Should anyone under 65 die of the China Virus, that would trigger the largest class action lawsuit in the history of the world.

A win would mean that the lawyers would own the world.
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btw...

If a test for Coronavirus would come back positive, the treatment would be no different than if the test had come back as negative. Testing for Coronavirus can be helpful in making decisions about whether a quarantine is advisable

At present, there is no specific treatment for COVID 19. The treatment should consist of fluids (orally for mild/moderate cases, intravenously for severe cases), rest(at home or in hospital depending on severity, or just limiting strenuous activity as tolerated if symptoms are mild), antipyretic drugs (ibuprofen or Tylenol) for fever or generalized aches, and symptomatic medications (cough syrup, throat lozenges etc.) as needed.
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Coronavirus and ibuprofen: Separating fact from fiction

https://www.bbc.com/news/51929628
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Walker wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:39 am Coronavirus and ibuprofen: Separating fact from fiction

https://www.bbc.com/news/51929628
There’s been some discussion about acetaminophen & Reyes’ in pediatric populations. Thank you, Walker, for providing further advice, especially as it applies to adults and to long term use of NSAIDs.
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commonsense wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:09 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:24 pm What I would like to know is why no old people are coming out and saying 'Stop! This is madness! We don't want this. Having a future for children and young people is far more important then saving a few of us who are at death's door anyway. And what will happen to us if we can't get our medications in the future because the world economy has collapsed?'

Of course they aren't, because they are selfish old fucks.
Are you thinking, as I am, that the approach could’ve been to advise anyone who is over 65 years old or who has a chronic disease to stay home and advise the rest to carry on with their lives undisrupted save extra handwwshing?

Then only retirees and the medically weak would be on quarantine, leaving economies & markets essentially untouched. There would probably be a lot of people who get and survive the Coronavirus, but mortality rates among younger, healthier people are reportedly lower than among at risk populations.

I, for one, would not attribute selfishness to the old fucks, who had nothing to do with formulating a response to the virus.
They are being awfully quiet about it.
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The future is now in the hands of science and politics.

Then again, it always was.

California, population 40 million.

No one can leave their home now, except the homeless, because they have no home.

What you wish about old and young folks is of no consequence.

Neither is what other folks wish.
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commonsense wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:02 am
Walker wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:39 am Coronavirus and ibuprofen: Separating fact from fiction

https://www.bbc.com/news/51929628
There’s been some discussion about acetaminophen & Reyes’ in pediatric populations. Thank you, Walker, for providing further advice, especially as it applies to adults and to long term use of NSAIDs.
Wondered why the supermarket was full of ibuprofen but no panadol. Seems there is some kind of 'herd' information network going on that I'm not privy to :lol:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:50 am
commonsense wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:02 am
Walker wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:39 am Coronavirus and ibuprofen: Separating fact from fiction

https://www.bbc.com/news/51929628
There’s been some discussion about acetaminophen & Reyes’ in pediatric populations. Thank you, Walker, for providing further advice, especially as it applies to adults and to long term use of NSAIDs.
Wondered why the supermarket was full of ibuprofen but no panadol. Seems there is some kind of 'herd' information network going on that I'm not privy to :lol:
Everyone is playing with the same blocks. Knowing the effects of what you are swallowing is but one tactic used by folks to grow old.
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henry quirk wrote:
Not seein' mistakes on my part: even worst case, carona won't come near the flu in mortality. ...
You must be joking, in the worst case our medical authorities estimate 250,000 dead in the UK.
Calm down & carry on is exactly what the talkin' heads ought to be sayin'.

Wash your hands, stop bein' so touch-feely with others, consult your doc if you're worried, stop lookin' to gov for solutions and calm down.
It's what our govt has been doing but now they are ramping up due to how the disease is progressing in our neighbours who are a few weeks ahead of us.
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henry quirk wrote: Don't believe everything you read, especially without the context.
They context was quite clear and was confirmed by the firm and the German govt. The reply was also clear, if they produce a vaccine they will release the process for free.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I mean humans don't have immunity to covid-19.
Let's clear this up shall we, the disease has been called by the Chinese 'Covid-19' but the virus is 'SARS-Cov-2'. It appears that given the last time the Chinese didn't want to freak out their neighbours again by calling it SARS.

In my personal opinion, given what has been happening in Italy, the Chinese have under-reported the situation over there and it appears they are also now running a social media disinformation campaign for the conspiracy kooks to spread hinting at shady CIA doings and viral weapons research as the real source of the virus. Presumably because they are trying to avoid responsibility for once again causing an epidemic due to not cracking down on their live wild animal markets and the unhygienic slaughter conditions in them.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Did you not read the article? Are you seriously trying to argue that the one "child" (actually a teen: do you read?) who died in China, in the entire history so far of this virus, means that all the countries in the world should immediately shut down?

And you're thinking I was suggesting, "Children don't matter"? :shock: :shock: :shock:

Man, get some reading glasses. :roll:
Are you suggesting that we should trust the communist reporting? :shock:
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Henry. This virus is not like ordinary flu, it's much more severe and chronic as it attacks the respiratory system causing catastrophic pneumonia. Hospitals in Norway and Italy report daily life in their hospitals as like being in a war zone. There are sick people lying everywhere they can possibly put them, on floors and in the corridors all requiring urgent treatment.

Tell me that these pictures do not shock you... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11209901/ ... corridors/


'THE APOCALYPSE'
"Every day we see 50 to 60 patients who come into our emergency department with pneumonia and most of them are so severe they need very high levels of FIO2 or oxygen."

Dr Lorenzo Grazioli, who worked for the NHS in Leicester for one year, urged the UK to follow the example of China and Italy and lock everything down.

He says it is the only way to beat the virus.

According to Sky News, the medics at Bergamo wanted Britain to see the footage and sent a simple message: "Get ready."

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:24 pm What I would like to know is why no old people are coming out and saying 'Stop! This is madness! We don't want this. Having a future for children and young people is far more important then saving a few of us who are at death's door anyway. And what will happen to us if we can't get our medications in the future because the world economy has collapsed?'

Of course they aren't, because they are selfish old fucks.
It's hard to say what the old people are really thinking as they fall ill with this virus, it's not until you are in that situation yourself will you know how you feel about it. I suppose the natural instinct is to want to live no matter what age you are. Or, even if you may just instinctively know you are not going to be coming back from deaths door, at least you would want to leave as comfortably and as pain free as possible.

The reason for the mass panic is that I personally think people think there is just more to it than just A NEW VIRUS pandemic. People are not that stupid, they're not all totally ignorant and oblivious as to what could and might possibly be going on in the world right now.

Another reason for the mass hysteria is because of the sheer amount of people that are dying in just one day, or are getting sick at the same time.

For example: ''Italian Doctors in the region are reportedly calling the deadly outbreak “the Apocalypse” as the country recorded 427 new deaths in 24 hours''

Those 427 people that have died in the last 24 hours would still have been alive today had it not been for this virus. That's why people are getting a little bit crazy and thinking something is not quite right here...

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our medical authorities estimate 250,000 dead in the UK.

You may see 250,000 corona infections, but ain't no way you'll see that many deaths.

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it's much more severe and chronic

No, it's more contagious which is not the same thing. Corona expresses overtly in a narrow segment of any population (immuno-compromised folks).


Italy has one of the highest elderly populations on the planet, and everyone there pretty much lives on top of one another, so it's no wonder they're gettin' hit hard.

I don't know enough about Norway to comment, but I'm bettin' -- if there's significant corona-related illness there -- it's cuz they have a large number of oldsters, and folks are crammed together.


Unlike a lotta folks, I get no pleasure hashin' and rehashin' this. Everyone, and my Ma, wants to talk and talk and talk about the goddamned corona, and always it's the line of anxiety-inspirin' nonsense they get from the talkin' heads on the TV and radio.

As I say, wash your hands, stop bein' so touch-feely with others, consult your doc (not the talkin' heads) if you're worried, stop lookin' to gov for solutions, and calm down.
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