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Re: Coronavirus Craziness

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:28 am
I'm inclined to agree and I hate conspiracy-theorists. Why the sudden worldwide concern by govts. for the elderly?
I think it's something to do with not upsetting the PC ''Woke'' nerds too much. I can just hear them all shouting ('we can't just let them die') we've got to do something....when in reality people past the age of 60 are all going to die soon enough anyway. But for this PC world gone absolutely bonkers, the premature death of the elderly is unthinkable. Even though I hardly doubt the elderly care that much to be honest, it's not as if there is any value or reason to live anymore, not since the PC woke police took over the world. The Elderly are probably sick of how toxic the world has become. Not so for the young because they have been born into it, they know no other way of life, it's all normal to them. They willingly embrace their own enslavement.

The powers that be are calling our bluff on this one, the culling of the elderly is a bonus, considering the strain on human resources, especially within the vast amount of medical supplies and drugs that are keeping older people alive when a simple virus would have wiped them out long before, quite naturally. .

I couldn't care less about dying myself, if that's what was meant to happen to me personally, because I believe the day of your death has already been stamped on the day of your birth, that's what I believe anyway.... I think some people if not many people, are actually offended by the word DEATH and dying,...that's the whole problem most people suffer from, the viruses are not the problem. The problem virus is FEAR itself.

I don't care about dying, I have no fear of this virus because I've already left this world. I'm in the world, but I'm not of the world...and in knowing this, that's the ultimate freedom and a permanent end to all our suffering. So in a way, this event is a good thing, in that we all must eventually wake up to the truth. This is a good time to wake-up. In my opinion.

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Dontaskme wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:02 am It's all a bit weird, and I personally think there is something going on which cuts much deeper than what we are currently being fed by the general media.
It may not be intentional, just devastating due to our mindsets of what life should be. Either way, Trump could be robotically pissed off because it disrupts the stage he thought he was in control of performing on. Suddenly he has to do all sorts of truly Presidential work... with the weight of a crisis constantly on him... forced to listen to the advisors who know more than he does... and it's STILL going to be a huge disaster. An epic karmic comedy in regard to him. What a show we are in for during our lifetimes!

I think this is an opportunity to lighten up ourselves (our mindsets and awareness) amidst all the heaviness crashing down, rather than crashing and crumbling down with it. We can see what MORE we're made of and start vibrating as THAT. :) As painful/scary/aggravating as this experience might be (whatever it is), I'm hoping to be able to look back on it and see the perfect sense of it in a grander scheme naturally unfolding and evolving, and to be grateful.
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Lacewing wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:33 am The Coronavirus could be part of a broader natural "correctional" process to regulate and transform what has fallen out of balance with humankind. If we consider how everything in life is naturally and innately connected, and how nature (at all sorts of levels) responds to threat and imbalance and disruption, then we might also be able to consider WHAT it might take to correct what has fallen out of balance in humankind and its impact on the rest of nature: it would take something bringing us to our knees GLOBALLY. Not isolated earthquakes or tornadoes or heat waves... but a global pandemic that affects every system we rely on as humans. It's hard to imagine something more perfect than what is happening right now to STOP US in our tracks. And by stopping our "rather small and self-absorbed" methodical, patterned behavior and thinking for awhile, we just might see more that is beyond it. Some surely will; some likely won't.
In other words: man has been naughty and Gaia is punishing us.

How original & evolved.
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henry quirk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:11 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:33 am The Coronavirus could be part of a broader natural "correctional" process to regulate and transform what has fallen out of balance with humankind. If we consider how everything in life is naturally and innately connected, and how nature (at all sorts of levels) responds to threat and imbalance and disruption, then we might also be able to consider WHAT it might take to correct what has fallen out of balance in humankind and its impact on the rest of nature: it would take something bringing us to our knees GLOBALLY. Not isolated earthquakes or tornadoes or heat waves... but a global pandemic that affects every system we rely on as humans. It's hard to imagine something more perfect than what is happening right now to STOP US in our tracks. And by stopping our "rather small and self-absorbed" methodical, patterned behavior and thinking for awhile, we just might see more that is beyond it. Some surely will; some likely won't.
In other words: man has been naughty and Gaia is punishing us.

How original & evolved.
You're so predictable. :lol: Go wash your hands, Henry. Then think more broadly than Gaia.
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Lacewing wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:14 pm
henry quirk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:11 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:33 am The Coronavirus could be part of a broader natural "correctional" process to regulate and transform what has fallen out of balance with humankind. If we consider how everything in life is naturally and innately connected, and how nature (at all sorts of levels) responds to threat and imbalance and disruption, then we might also be able to consider WHAT it might take to correct what has fallen out of balance in humankind and its impact on the rest of nature: it would take something bringing us to our knees GLOBALLY. Not isolated earthquakes or tornadoes or heat waves... but a global pandemic that affects every system we rely on as humans. It's hard to imagine something more perfect than what is happening right now to STOP US in our tracks. And by stopping our "rather small and self-absorbed" methodical, patterned behavior and thinking for awhile, we just might see more that is beyond it. Some surely will; some likely won't.
In other words: man has been naughty and Gaia is punishing us.

How original & evolved.
You're so predictable. :lol: Go wash your hands, Henry. Then think more broadly than Gaia.
You said I'd poo-poo you: just livin' down to your expectations.

As for Gaia: I'm thinkin' of ways to pave the bitch over: vast stretches of concrete, stagin' areas for gigantic *Orion drive space vehicles.

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henry quirk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:23 pm You said I'd poo-poo you: just livin' down to your expectations.
Because there's nothing you like better than doing what others expect of you? :lol:
henry quirk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:23 pm As for Gaia: I'm thinkin' of ways to pave the bitch over: vast stretches of concrete, stagin' areas for gigantic *Orion drive space vehicles.
Nah... you're too focused on keeping people off your lawn.
henry quirk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:23 pm Earth is a crib: time for adults to get out of it
Wow... that's the most profound thing you've said lately. :lol:
henry quirk wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:23 pm (you can stay behind).
Now you're just being mean.
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Dontaskme wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:43 am
I think it's something to do with not upsetting the PC ''Woke'' nerds too much. I can just hear them all shouting ('we can't just let them die') we've got to do something....
That's EXACTLY what the wokies are saying. I always knew that Political Correctness would destroy us all in the end.
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"Now you're just being mean."

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yep

are you cryin''?

should I ramp it up?
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You have to love Trump for his complete disregard for 'wokie sensitivities' :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThT-GAKwXpY
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This does not sound very pleasant.

Coronavirus patient on hellish ordeal: ‘I was screaming for mercy and praying to God’

https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/coronavir ... ng-to-god/
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:04 pm You have to love Trump for his complete disregard for 'wokie sensitivities' :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThT-GAKwXpY
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Walker wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:08 am This does not sound very pleasant.

Coronavirus patient on hellish ordeal: ‘I was screaming for mercy and praying to God’

https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/coronavir ... ng-to-god/
No one said it's pleasant. Pneumonia is like that--unpleasant. How do we know that guy doesn't smoke a couple of packs a day? There's no background story--just scaremongering.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:28 am
Walker wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:08 am This does not sound very pleasant.

Coronavirus patient on hellish ordeal: ‘I was screaming for mercy and praying to God’

https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/coronavir ... ng-to-god/
No one said it's pleasant. Pneumonia is like that--unpleasant. How do we know that guy doesn't smoke a couple of packs a day? There's no background story--just scaremongering.
Maybe he does.

Maybe he smoked some paraquat.

He runs five miles a day. Same source.

Maybe it's his body telling him to stop running.
(He looks a little chunky and soft in the photo so maybe he just started the running routine and his immune system was weakened. Then again, maybe it’s because he’s flat on his back, and the lighting.)

Maybe he was breathing paint fumes at the shop.

Maybe it’s a combination of smoking, fumes, running, and coronavirus that causes intense aches.


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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:24 pm What I would like to know is why no old people are coming out and saying 'Stop! This is madness! We don't want this. Having a future for children and young people is far more important then saving a few of us who are at death's door anyway. And what will happen to us if we can't get our medications in the future because the world economy has collapsed?'

Of course they aren't, because they are selfish old fucks.
Are you thinking, as I am, that the approach could’ve been to advise anyone who is over 65 years old or who has a chronic disease to stay home and advise the rest to carry on with their lives undisrupted save extra handwwshing?

Then only retirees and the medically weak would be on quarantine, leaving economies & markets essentially untouched. There would probably be a lot of people who get and survive the Coronavirus, but mortality rates among younger, healthier people are reportedly lower than among at risk populations.

I, for one, would not attribute selfishness to the old fucks, who had nothing to do with formulating a response to the virus.
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