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Skepdick wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:30 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:58 pm The problem with the stay away strategy is like a game of whack-a-mole. Eventually the mole has to come up for air, so who do you think will be around to see the last mole die? God only knows.

It is what it is...
If you don't see a moral distinction between 1000 infections a day and 1000 infections a week; if you don't think that the former is worse than the latter then it's very difficult to help you.

Human-animals get really ugly to each other when they end up competing for finite necessities. Like doctors. Or hospital beds. Or medicine. Or vaccines.
Of course I see a moral distinction...and is why the natural response is to isolate...but the point is no matter how much precaution we take to slow down the spread...it’s going to get you at some later stage as no one is immune from a coronavirus of pandemic proportions ...exasperated by fear of death, no one is immune from fear of death. So in a pandemic crisis situation which is likely to be only once in a lifetime...fear is inevitable so no one could have acted any differently than how they are acting now.

We’re all going to succumb to this pandemic eventually unless we die before hand from some other means. Everyone will contract the virus eventually even if its only through the invention of a vaccine itself ironically.

No one is immune from death...we’re all going to die one day, it’s just that we don’t like dying before our time. Trouble with a pandemic is that we have no control over it, we have no control over the day we are going to die....and that’s what we fear the most.

Ironically dying is very simple and easy to do when you understand the bigger truth behind all the craziness.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am it’s going to get you at some later stage as no one is immune from a coronavirus of pandemic proportions
Missing the forrest for the trees.

How can it get 'you' when there is no 'you'?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am We’re all going to succumb to this pandemic eventually unless we die before hand from some other means. Everyone will contract the virus eventually even if its only through the invention of a vaccine itself ironically.
No. We won't - it has a low mortality rate. Any individual's probability of dying is low - we are literally doing this to slow down the rate of spread.

We are doing this to reduce the shock to society.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:33 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am it’s going to get you at some later stage as no one is immune from a coronavirus of pandemic proportions
Missing the forrest for the trees.

How can it get 'you' when there is no 'you'?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am We’re all going to succumb to this pandemic eventually unless we die before hand from some other means. Everyone will contract the virus eventually even if its only through the invention of a vaccine itself ironically.
No. We won't - it has a low mortality rate. Any individual's probability of dying is low - we are literally doing this to slow down the rate of spread.

We are doing this to reduce the shock to society.
'Reduce the shock' by creating hysteria and cocking up the economy? If they had just said nothing everyone would have just thought those people died of flu or pneumonia, since so many people die of flu every year anyway.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:47 am 'Reduce the shock' by creating hysteria and cocking up the economy? If they had just said nothing everyone would have just thought those people died of flu or pneumonia, since so many people die of flu every year anyway.
What has gotten into you?!? All of a sudden you are rooting for censorship/gagging?

The PC-left approves, but your moral compass is fucked.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:33 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am it’s going to get you at some later stage as no one is immune from a coronavirus of pandemic proportions
Missing the forrest for the trees.

How can it get 'you' when there is no 'you'?
There is no 'you' to get it...IT gets 'you' ...the 'you' in this case is manifesting as a mind virus. The idea that there is a you. But that statement is maybe too complicated for the mind to grasp. Some understand it, others don't.
No animal ever tells itself it exists, and that it lives and dies, no one is living and dying, except the mind virus of belief itself... and I know you don't want to understand that, no matter how many times I talk about it.

Animals are not panicking over this virus are they...I wonder why that is?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am We’re all going to succumb to this pandemic eventually unless we die before hand from some other means. Everyone will contract the virus eventually even if its only through the invention of a vaccine itself ironically.
Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:33 amNo. We won't - it has a low mortality rate. Any individual's probability of dying is low - we are literally doing this to slow down the rate of spread.

We are doing this to reduce the shock to society.
By saying succumb to it, I never suggested the risk of mortality or dying from it, I'm referring to contracting the virus, in that we'll probably all succumb to it, but whether the body survives it or not is up to the body. I'm saying we're all vulnerable to contracting the virus because it's in a runaway pandemic state where the whole world is suffering it's effects, not just physically but emotionally due to having to radically change our way of life, we are having to make sacrifices that we did not expect to happen in our life time... and this is an unusual world wide health crisis that we have never experienced before, that just cannot be ignored, just as the soldiers in world wars 1 and 2 had to sacrifice their lives to fight those wars, they had no choice but to go to war in the fight to stop the wars.
We now are in a situation where we have to make sacrifices similar to any war time scenario whether the enemy is visible or not.

No one can be sure if they are going to survive the virus or recover from it, and that's where the fear comes from.

It's the fear of the unknown. Our leaders don't know either, so it's no good giving them a bad rap for how they are handling the health crisis.

This virus is an unknown enity that we have no control over, and could possibly have the delivery system of the HIV /AIDS virus, a condition in which progressive failure of the immune system allows life-threatening opportunistic infections and cancers to thrive. Remember how people feared AIDS..
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:47 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:33 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am it’s going to get you at some later stage as no one is immune from a coronavirus of pandemic proportions
Missing the forrest for the trees.

How can it get 'you' when there is no 'you'?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am We’re all going to succumb to this pandemic eventually unless we die before hand from some other means. Everyone will contract the virus eventually even if its only through the invention of a vaccine itself ironically.
No. We won't - it has a low mortality rate. Any individual's probability of dying is low - we are literally doing this to slow down the rate of spread.

We are doing this to reduce the shock to society.
'Reduce the shock' by creating hysteria and cocking up the economy? If they had just said nothing everyone would have just thought those people died of flu or pneumonia, since so many people die of flu every year anyway.
Pandemics are rare, people are scared because a pandemic is a once in a life time event. They are scared of having to give up their lavish comfortable lifestyles, not the virus itself. So if they are going to be told to hunker down for months then obviously they are going to make sure they have plenty of foods and essentials that will keep them in the lifestyle they have been accustomed to. This generation have had no experience of any thing like what we are seeing in the west unfolding in the way it is right now. So they cannot help but react emotionally to this as they see it, how they react cannot be any different to how they are currently reacting.

We cannot blame anyone for cocking up the system. Lets have a clear head about that.

Closing down the system is not going to kill you, but the virus might.

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:51 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:47 am 'Reduce the shock' by creating hysteria and cocking up the economy? If they had just said nothing everyone would have just thought those people died of flu or pneumonia, since so many people die of flu every year anyway.
What has gotten into you?!? All of a sudden you are rooting for censorship/gagging?

The PC-left approves, but your moral compass is fucked.
What does it have to do with morality? Who wants to go back to the third world? Dead is dead.
Only morons say 'gotten'.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:48 am What does it have to do with morality? Who wants to go back to the third world? Dead is dead. Fuck the Chinese and their cruelty and fithy markets.
I guess it will prove very difficult explaining to you why you are a morally reprehensible human being.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:48 am Only morons say 'gotten'.
I'd rather be a moron than think like you.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:53 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:48 am What does it have to do with morality? Who wants to go back to the third world? Dead is dead. Fuck the Chinese and their cruelty and fithy markets.
I guess it will prove very difficult explaining to you why you are a morally reprehensible human being.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:48 am Only morons say 'gotten'.
I'd rather be a moron than think like you.
You don't even understand what I write so you can't really judge. Stupid yank fuck.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:02 am You don't even understand what I write so you can't really judge. Stupid yank fuck.
Oh, but I do understand. Say, for example. I understand that you are small-minded and presumptuous.

I am not a yank. You are off by at least 1 ocean and 1.5 continents.

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:07 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:02 am You don't even understand what I write so you can't really judge. Stupid yank fuck.
Oh, but I do understand. Say, for example. I understand that you are small-minded and presumptuous.

I am not a yank. You are off by at least 1 ocean and 1.5 continents.

Q.E.D
Then you should know better than to write like one.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:07 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:02 am You don't even understand what I write so you can't really judge. Stupid yank fuck.
Oh, but I do understand. Say, for example. I understand that you are small-minded and presumptuous.

I am not a yank. You are off by at least 1 ocean and 1.5 continents.

Q.E.D
Then you should know better than to talk like one.
And you are smug and have a hugely inflated estimation of your own intelligence.
As for censorship, why wasn't there this hysteria over swine flu, which is far deadlier? Many people have covid-19 and don't even have symptoms! The only people it has killed have been the very old and the very sick. Even the flu kills a broader range of people. Yet they shut down New York? None of it makes any sense.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am Then you should know better than to talk like one.
Does the way I talk upset the PC-police? Shame!
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am And you are smug and have a hugely inflated estimation of your own intelligence.
My "hugely inflated estimation" admits that I possess no intelligence/knowledge whatsoever. Rather humble smugness that...

It is you who keeps aiming for lower than rock-bottom.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:33 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am Then you should know better than to talk like one.
Does the way I talk upset the PC-police? Shame!
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:19 am And you are smug and have a hugely inflated estimation of your own intelligence.
My "hugely inflated estimation" admits that I possess no intelligence/knowledge whatsoever. Rather humble smugness that...

It is you who keeps aiming for lower than rock-bottom.
Think about it. Supposedly they are shutting everything down so the health systems don't get overloaded. Does that sound like something politicians would come up with? Politicians, who only think about votes and money? There was no such hysteria over the swine flu pandemic and that just seemed to peter out after a while.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:51 am ...and is why the natural response is to isolate...but the point is no matter how much precaution we take to slow down the spread...it’s going to get you at some later stage as no one is immune from a coronavirus of pandemic proportions ...
Not everyone contracted polio.

If you can hunker in the bunker until a vaccine is developed, you can be injected with immunity to the coronavirus.

Thanks to the great medical system in the United States, probably the best on the face of the earth, :wink: , a vaccine has already been developed in record-setting time, and is in trial to test its effectiveness and safety before being released *.

0.1 % = seasonal flu fatality rate.
1.0 % = guesstimated coronavirus fatality rate.

This does not mean that coronavirus is ten times as fatal for each individual.
For one person, the two afflictions may pose an equal risk to life.
For another person, one of the afflictions may pose a greater risk to life.

The hubbub is because coronavirus is so contagious that everyone on the planet may gain the self-knowledge of their personal greater danger through irrevocable experience.


* If this should be the one, then once again it will be United States to the rescue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk

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